Always-honest
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No.
But this is actually a thread about racism again, isn't it?
But this is actually a thread about racism again, isn't it?
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Has our society become too politically correct?
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Ganzlinger
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Absolutely yes.
Paracelsus
Member
Yes, the internet has managed to validate that Stephen Fry picture. It's almost like we have an outrage-on-demand culture.
highrider
Banned
No, but certain outrage is ridiculous. There's a Bill Burr routine talking about the Clippers owner and the Duck Dynasty guy. They're fucking old. What did you think they thought? There's a generation of people who are just never going to be progressive. Accept it, combat it where you can, but move on.
excelsiorlef
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Good lord. Is there an internet rule that states that those who invoke Fry do not understand Fry? Because my god is that an old hat.
I don't know about people being too "politically correct" but think it's more just people racing to be outraged by anything. Anyone can put almost anything up on the internet and immediately find an echo chamber, which causes the thing to spiral out of control incredibly quickly. For instance, that woman who got fired for tweeting an obvious joke about going to Africa and not being able to get AIDS because she was white. Was it stupid to tweet that? Absolutely. Was the response absolutely batshit insane and not fit the crime at all? Absolutely. I just think of all the times I was at a "Sex, Drugs, and Rock'n'Roll" trivia night where the point of the team names was shock humor: the team with the most shocking, hilarious, and just plain wrong team name got free shots at the bar at halftime. None of us meant that shit, it was just hilarious. What would have happened if the mob had got one of my tweets and not understood the context?
With all that being said though, there are some people I work with who say "too PC" when they actually mean is "I can't hurt someone else in order to make myself feel superior and more important" (i.e. "say racist shit"). I've got no damn problem with all that being wiped out.
With all that being said though, there are some people I work with who say "too PC" when they actually mean is "I can't hurt someone else in order to make myself feel superior and more important" (i.e. "say racist shit"). I've got no damn problem with all that being wiped out.
Marauder Shields
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I don't think so personally. More accommodating that society becomes the better.
However I do feel like there's this thing where certain people almost get off on getting outraged over minor stuff. Almost like they enjoy it.
However I do feel like there's this thing where certain people almost get off on getting outraged over minor stuff. Almost like they enjoy it.
So is the person ever doing the criticizing ever wrong.....because sometimes they're and people seem to think that's an impossibility
maquiladora
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Absolutely not.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I dunno if you paid attention, but most people just joked about Sterling. I forgot about the Duck Dynasty guy until you brought it up (because who watches that anyway)
And why is it people always need comedians to have their backs on this? Get your own material
excelsiorlef
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They did combat. Both got in trouble to varying degrees? Not seeing a big deal to how they were dealt with. I mean unless literally you want old people to have get out of racism free cards, which fuck that.
Also Duck Dynasty guy is one of the fakest media creations ever. So extra fuck that.
As is the case with all these things, the extreme voices on both sides control the conversation, when most people I've met both want to treat others with respect, but can still take a joke as long as it isn't a disguise for genuine malice. Many people who complain about political correctness are indeed just getting angry about their nastiness being confronted, just as many who bang on about sensitivity and jump on every outrage bandwagon going are doing so out of egotism and with no genuine desire to find solutions so much as assign blame and either play the victim or martyr. Society is not 'too' this, or 'not enough' that. It's a multi-faceted, always changing thing with problems arising in some areas, steady improvements in others.
Unfortunately, because social media, sensationalist news coverage and the like (as well as the inevitable political extremism that grows out of periods of economic hardship) heightens the voices of those screaming loudest, you can't talk about women's rights without gamergaters blaming their loneliness and anger on all women ever, or certain feminists distorting the conversation with grossly exaggerated, misleading 'statistics' and overblown claims. You can't talk about race without #AllLivesMatter deliberately misunderstanding the point, or self-righteous college students using it as an excuse to bully and shame anyone who dares challenge them. The PC/not PC stuff is self-perpetuating, with each side's claims against the other creating more anger and justifying the other side doing the same thing back.
Yet in the middle of all this are the normal people who don't scream and shout, but make up the hugest bulk of society, who may be imperfect but are generally just trying to muddle through their lives and its problems to the best of their ability. If it were possible to shut all the radicalised voices out, I think we'd find what has always been there: mostly well-intentioned people and society slowly but surely in a state of constant evolution, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.
Unfortunately, because social media, sensationalist news coverage and the like (as well as the inevitable political extremism that grows out of periods of economic hardship) heightens the voices of those screaming loudest, you can't talk about women's rights without gamergaters blaming their loneliness and anger on all women ever, or certain feminists distorting the conversation with grossly exaggerated, misleading 'statistics' and overblown claims. You can't talk about race without #AllLivesMatter deliberately misunderstanding the point, or self-righteous college students using it as an excuse to bully and shame anyone who dares challenge them. The PC/not PC stuff is self-perpetuating, with each side's claims against the other creating more anger and justifying the other side doing the same thing back.
Yet in the middle of all this are the normal people who don't scream and shout, but make up the hugest bulk of society, who may be imperfect but are generally just trying to muddle through their lives and its problems to the best of their ability. If it were possible to shut all the radicalised voices out, I think we'd find what has always been there: mostly well-intentioned people and society slowly but surely in a state of constant evolution, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.
Bjomesphat
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Of course.
Paracelsus
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You can make a quote on a specific issue like religion and it still could work on just about anything else.
show me your skeleton
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just going to leave this here.
oh, got completely beaten there. kinda' glad i wasn't the only one to appreciate stewart lee though.
oh, got completely beaten there. kinda' glad i wasn't the only one to appreciate stewart lee though.
andthebeatgoeson
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That sounds dreadful. How long were they in the hospital?
Storm Raider
Banned
When people can't say Merry Christmas at their jobs without getting fired, I have to say Yes, it's gotten a bit ridiculous. Everyone is so 'offended' it's pathetic.
andthebeatgoeson
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I wanna see the receipts.
Alcotholic
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People these days are extremely sensitive to nearly everything. There is always someone looking for the next thing to be offended by. With that said, I dont think Political Correctness is out of control. I just think people are taking certain matters overboard.
highrider
Banned
It's an example which I found applicable. I don't care if you see it as unoriginal, I never portrayed it to be. I saw quite a bit of outrage over both guys.
Read my post again. I'm not talking about actions against these guys, I'm talking about the outrage. How can they think this way?!
Sinfamy
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Working both tech support at Sprint and at Target, we were not allowed to say it, I don't think we'd have gotten fired thought. I still said it out of habit thought, even as an atheist.
I agree with some of the sentiments in here:
http://www.today.com/parents/univer...udents-being-too-sensitive-not-daycare-t58811
I think the video is particularly good.
I think it's important to call bigots out on their bullshit, but I don't agree with the method some people use to shout down the opposition in the name of PC.
http://www.today.com/parents/univer...udents-being-too-sensitive-not-daycare-t58811
I think the video is particularly good.
I think it's important to call bigots out on their bullshit, but I don't agree with the method some people use to shout down the opposition in the name of PC.
Recently on Long Island some of the malls did not have the traditional Santa's Village for where children can take pictures with Santa
It was replaced by a simple Glacier
All because the people in charge wanted to be PC and not offend anyone.
To me that's bullshit, who cares if people get offended by the Christmas spirit, stop it
It was replaced by a simple Glacier
All because the people in charge wanted to be PC and not offend anyone.
To me that's bullshit, who cares if people get offended by the Christmas spirit, stop it
Some of the oldest people I know are the most progressive, a teacher here, Bernard Sanders there.
While conversely, I can have my peers espousing beliefs of homophobia and racial segregation.
I find it is not age so much as geographic location, accessibility to other peoples, technology level, and parents who determine whether an older person can progress.
karmaforgotme
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In my day to day to life no it hasn't (maybe because I only like people with weird sense of humors), but online yes it has.
The whole thing is pretty retarded.
The whole thing is pretty retarded.
excelsiorlef
Member
Don't hold your breath.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The guy in charge specifically said they did not change to be "PC." It was quoted the the article that Schatt posted here (and ignored to add that title anyway).
At least change the PE avatar dude
Chezzymann
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Most the comments in that article are insane. So many trump supporters
I think it's more insane when you're at the register closing someone's check out, say "Happy Holidays", and then the customer decides to yell at you for 5 minutes on the "War on Christmas" and how it's insane that "you're not allowed to say Merry Christmas without getting fired"....when you're both standing directly under a giant "Merry Christmas" sign hanging the ceiling. I shit you not, this happened. I wanted to point up so badly.
Target has no policy regarding anyone saying "Merry Christmas" instead of whatever they want. It's a personal choice. They even hang signs and Gift Cards that say it in the store!
Atraveller
Banned
Do people really want to make fun of others that are socially and/or economically disadvantaged that much?
How about don't be a dick?
How about don't be a dick?
excelsiorlef
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First one sounds like a lying employee and the second one is blatant satire taken from a fake cbs website.
highrider
Banned
That's a good point and I agree. But old people grew up with institutionalized racism and homophobia. My aunt is 77 and about as liberal as they come, but her brother ( my dad ) is conservative and pretty extreme at times.
Always-honest
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It's always so hard to judge imo. But what i do notice sometimes, is that people act really offended while they aren't the ones offended (if that makes sense).
Oh, I wasn't saying they were true, just that they were the only examples I could find.
excelsiorlef
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I know I was pointing out that even those are full of shit.
What else would he say after coming under fire?
How are you going to bring up the public enemy avatar
Are we really going to compare full blown racism to people being overly sensitive and looking for any reason to jump down people's throats?
Infinite_Daremo
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This PC craze brought us the greatest South Park character in years though.
I only ever see PC culture on the internet. I haven't encountered yet in day to day life. I suppose everyones more vocal on the internet though.
I only ever see PC culture on the internet. I haven't encountered yet in day to day life. I suppose everyones more vocal on the internet though.
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