Wow, never even considered this. I just always assumed from the beginning they were Kylo Rens Knights.
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Wow, never even considered this. I just always assumed from the beginning they were Kylo Rens Knights.
maybe golum and voldemort had a baby together in a secret corner of the galaxy..
WadiumArcadium
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Good question. No idea what or who Ren is yet.
Rey should also get a pass for being used to swinging a stick around to defend herself.
Also I keep forgetting; did they state what the knights of ren are in the movie? Or do I have to watch the clone wars or something?
Edit: apparently I keep forgetting that I know how to read to... or I take to long to post? Yes I do take to long to post.
I'll asume Ren is Ren and that Ren has underlings for now.
Kor of Memory
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So the movie a second time yesterday. Only picked up on 4 new things.
1 - The opening crawl mentions that the old guy only recently discovered something that could lead them to Luke. Thus, Luke didn't entrust him with it, so he obtained that map from someone/somewhere else.
2 - When Rey asks BB-8 where he is from, he chirps and she says something like, "Classified? Yeah, me too. My whole history is classified." She says this in a way that makes it sound like she isn't privy to her own past.
3 - Sometime when Finn and Rey meet up, Rey specifically mentions she has flown before, just never off planet.
4 - When they arrive at Maz's planet, Rey says something about "I never knew there was so much Green in the world." The Camera then pans to Han who has a very guilty look on his face. Makes me wonder if he had something to do with her abandonment.
1 - The opening crawl mentions that the old guy only recently discovered something that could lead them to Luke. Thus, Luke didn't entrust him with it, so he obtained that map from someone/somewhere else.
2 - When Rey asks BB-8 where he is from, he chirps and she says something like, "Classified? Yeah, me too. My whole history is classified." She says this in a way that makes it sound like she isn't privy to her own past.
3 - Sometime when Finn and Rey meet up, Rey specifically mentions she has flown before, just never off planet.
4 - When they arrive at Maz's planet, Rey says something about "I never knew there was so much Green in the world." The Camera then pans to Han who has a very guilty look on his face. Makes me wonder if he had something to do with her abandonment.
Red Blaster
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reactions to tfa have demonstrated how bad people are at watching movies
The Librarian
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Does anybody have a gif of the ship that left Rey on Jakku when she was a kid and the ships that left with Ren from Maz's planet?
When I saw the film a third time, it seemed like one of them looked like the one that left Rey on the planet.
When I saw the film a third time, it seemed like one of them looked like the one that left Rey on the planet.
Kitschkraft
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"Master of the Knights Of Ren", said by Snoke, is the only time they are actually brought up.
And we see a glimpse of them in the forceback of course.
We know very little about them as of now.
This happens in the book Before the Awakening.
Yeah, what he said.
FlashbladeGAF
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Here's why
look at C-3PO and Venom Snake's left arm.
C3P0: You may not recognize me because of the red arm
There's an usually large amount of visual story telling going on, for a Star Wars film at least; character relationships shifting and playing out during action scenes, without dialogue to spell things out. (That schism is all over the Mary Sue thread.) In some ways it reminds me of the Fury Road thread over the summer, where it was really clear who attended the film and who really watched it. Some people saw the action and didn't pick up on the way the story and character relationships was told through it. Which is fine, but it can be aggravating when people assert things are not there when they plainly are. :\ (Example: why did Finn last more than 10 seconds against Kylo Ren. The answer is clear but told through his actions, not verbal taunts.)
UnemployedVillain
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Here's why
C3P0: You may not recognize me because of the red arm
Punished/Venom C3PO
When I watched the movie a second and third time. I noticed more shit and paid a lot closer attention to the dialogue. A lot of the stuff in there is pretty much said. There is a reason for it all.
Sure some things could have been fleshed out a bit but the main points are definitely presented.
Fancy Clown
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I loved how good the movie was at showing vs telling. All the major new characters (Rey in particular) have these long sequences that explain exactly who they are what motivates them with hardly any dialogue, it's great. The movie does get bogged down in some bad exposition in some of the Liea/Han makin rebel plans stuff, but for the most part the movie gets it really right. It makes the characters feel like real characters and gives the whole movie a fairly classy vibe to it.
Though the one area it could have actually used some exposition is for explaining the whole Reistance/Republic/First Order stuff because I still have no idea what all their relationships are, how they formed, or who is in control. Kind of frustrating given how exceedingly simple the Empire vs Rebels was in the OT. Why is there even a resistance of the First Order are the splinter group. Shouldn't it just be the New Republic vs the First Order?
Though the one area it could have actually used some exposition is for explaining the whole Reistance/Republic/First Order stuff because I still have no idea what all their relationships are, how they formed, or who is in control. Kind of frustrating given how exceedingly simple the Empire vs Rebels was in the OT. Why is there even a resistance of the First Order are the splinter group. Shouldn't it just be the New Republic vs the First Order?
Fancy Clown
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Yup, was just thinking this as well. Its just not good drama to have Jedi/Sith to be these untouchable God warriors, and it makes the Force seem more like it should be--a mystical power that is tied to emotion and all that--rather than a quantifiable "power level" bullshit. And Jedi are still human and light sabers are powerful as fuck no matter who has them.
FlashbladeGAF
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They are tearing up the galaxy looking for Luke Skywalker.
Leia couldn't just sit behind a desk doing nothing while the newly formed peace is slowly being torn apart by a new threat. And she can't do it all on her own so...
I think the labels they used are what confused a lot of people.
Lifejumper
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I think there will be a timeskip. VIII will begin with Finn awakening from his coma. Audience perspective and such.
Dubbedinenglish
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Your post confirms some of the things I think are true about the story as a whole.
I think Rey is Kylo Ren's sister. Her Real name is not Rey. Luke will tell us this in the next film. Those images/visions that Rey sees when she touches the lightsaber are memories. Luke senses the darkness in Ben. He chooses Rey as his padawan. Ben loses it and searches for a new master, finds one and becomes Kylo Ren. Ben/Ren comes back to kill everyone with the first order, Luke takes Rey to his home planet to hide her. Doesnt tell anyone shit and bails like a deadbeat father. Han and Leia lose it because they think Ben kills Rey.
WadiumArcadium
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The New Republic didn't want to start another galactic civil war, didn't see the First Order as much of a threat and the fact the First Order were operating in the unknown regions lulled them into a false sense of security. Leia couldn't believe the Republic didn't see them as a threat that needed to be seen to and set up the Resistance.
That's the barebones explanation.
Finn was a Stormtrooper from birth and likely trained for ground combat sincehe could walk. But, more importantly Ren was merely toying with Finn. He never stood a chance against Ren and it was only after he managed to wound Ren through his arrogance that Ren got serious and quickly dispatched of him.
You are right about Rey though she should have never beat him.
thechristoph
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Remember that Finn was snatched away from his family as a child and raised to be a stormtrooper. He says that nobody ever looked at him like Rey had - with any sort of caring or compassion. And his reaction when she hugged him read to me like shock. He'd probably never been hugged before.
Fancy Clown
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Why would the republic make peace with space nazi's? They are literally run by an emperor copy and have stormtroopers and all that jazz. If Leia still has influence why doesn't she just be like "hey the First Order are ya know still trying to conquer the galaxy". Then it could just be Republic vs First Order without confusing anyone.
Although they probably did it so that now the Republic is wiped out so it is scrappy underdog rebels vs Empire all over again.
What state do we think Fin will be in the next film? Will they emphasize his injury? Will he be magically cured of his sliced through spine without a second given to it, or will we get a shirtless scene with a massive scare and suggestions he's part mechanical now?
I want to see Finn changed by his encounter, but more in a character sense than physically. They could give him an artificial spine, which would be a cool visual, but Star Wars prosthesis ranges from looking exactly like the real thing (Luke's hand) to becoming practically a droid (Vader/Grevious).
Glowie spine ala the arc reactor might be cool visually, but it doesn't really fit the Star Wars aesthetic. .
He should have totally been in a Bacta tank instead of on a table when Rey saw him though. That was totally a missed opportunity. Maybe that can be part of his rehab or something in the next movie? I need enough time to pass for a Finn/Poe road trip to find Rey!
Badlucktroll
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I bet Luke kills the Knights of Ren (their identities are hidden) individually. Its up to our heroes to unravel the mystery. In VIII we will see Luke in lightsaber battles. Also, I wonder why Snoke's musical theme is almost the same music as when Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the wise.
That makes no sense. So Ren just kind of forgot that she is his sister? Did you forget the whole "you see him as the father you never had, he would have disappointed you," part? No way are they brother and sister.
WadiumArcadium
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The opera music was never actually intended to be a theme for Plagueis or anything.
Well, if we're being technical, him saying she sees him as the father she never has does not mean he couldn't be her father as well. That said, I'm inclined to agree with you. Either he doesn't know they're related, or they're simply not.
I think the idea is that due to either constant battle since Jedi or because the flesh has kind of...rotted away, for lack of a better word...during his exile.
Dubbedinenglish
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A jedi has needs man.
Pagusas
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Jakku isn't Luke's home planet...
Let's put aside the fact that I doubt Luke was 2 months with Yoda (the movie doesn't convey this AT ALL), all you are saying here is that Luke is stronger than Rey by the end of Episode 5 and in Episode 6. I don't disagree with that, obviously.
But even if Luke did have 2 months of training and some more training on his own, the elephant in the room here is that he was up against fucking Darth Vader. I agree Vader was toying with him in Episode 5, which is why Luke injured him (and why Finn injured Kylo). In Episode 6, Vader was not playing around and yet is finished by a pissed off Luke in seconds. I mean, c'mon. This is Darth Vader we're talking about. The Force prodigy, chosen one that had proper training since childhood, fought wars and killed dozens of well trained jedi. Even if Luke trained, the gap is bigger than Rey against a sith wannabe that was completely messed up by a bowgun shot in the stomach and a lightsaber wound in the shoulder.
UnemployedVillain
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Well since my thread was shut down pretty quickly, I'll ask again in here. Do you think Rey being a female lead will affect how much they show her getting hurt/injured? Her "torture" scene was already fairly neutered, and Kylo being a male protagonist will make showing him hurt her somewhat of a no-no (same gender violence is okay usually, but men beating on women makes people pretty uncomfortable).
Although, as someone pointed out, Mad Max didn't really shy away from it with Furiosa, but that was also a rated R movie and more of the director's vision than a major franchise for the whole family where every detail is controlled
Although, as someone pointed out, Mad Max didn't really shy away from it with Furiosa, but that was also a rated R movie and more of the director's vision than a major franchise for the whole family where every detail is controlled
People need anime levels of exposition during action sequences. I'm not kidding.
NyMartin90
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Lucas said he generally liked it. He also said that he gave Disney 4 scripts on how he wanted to do the movie and that they threw them all out
A shame really I imagine these people would think Mad Max and Sicario are terrible movies.
WadiumArcadium
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Where did he say that? I know they decided not to use his story treatment but four scripts?
Kor of Memory
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Finn should totally get a dead space type of suit with a health indicator on his spine
this way the nerds will have a visual representation of his power level
because that's SO important
Oohh! Then someone can find a way to harness the force into a consumable energy that also can be refilled and displayed on the suit.
Ill stay with my response of wanting them to do something different than the hand thing and have Kylo Ren slash her face but causing her to lose an eye and have that replaced.
Digital-Hero
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Yeah... I doubt it's actually four scripts. Maybe plot outlines.
I like your style
Kor of Memory
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The first order had a lot of support from the restored Senate. A lot of senators found life easier with the empire and felt anxious to get back to that. So they were secretly funding the First Order.
Kitschkraft
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Oddly enough, Ray Fisher (The guy playing Cyborg) was said to be in the running for Finn. I think he was like, one of the last five.
I got a sense that both characters were meant to represent people that were sheltered in this way (And the EU material backs that up. Finn is obviously a ST, Rey is a somewhat paranoid scavenger).
Doesn't look shocked to me. Scene is cut a bit, but Finn ask how she escaped, she tells him he wouldn't believe her, Han makes a quip.
Luke didn't fight Vader in his prime, he fought a man barely being kept alive by machinery.
Discotheque
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I love those, Star Wars is sloppier than either movie
It's still pretty fun but are people really trying to say force awakens did as tight a job as that did in world building? This very much felt like a movie that had to cut for time rather than give us a super concise package of everything we needed to know
Also man it never really cools down. A few more minutes in the falcon with han would have been great. Real missed opportunity going with that crap setpiece with the two competing factions instead.
Edit: ray fisher as Finn would have been strange haha, dude is literally Ali's size. Boyega looks more believable in the role
Episode 8 will prolly be a better movie. Rian doesn't seem as rushed as abrams was to get it fixed and also this film has the same problem all of abrams' movies have had
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