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Germany: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults

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cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Great post SolidusDave - completely agree.

(young) (uneducated) (alcohol) (thirsty/Horny) (mob mentality)

Police and Government need to step up their game in the future.
Police arrested 2 suspects and found this:

"useful" sentences to know in German if you plan a sexual assault.
piece of shits those guys.

http://www.ksta.de/koeln/sote-deutsch-arabischer-uebersetzungs-zettel,15187530,33480596.html

Yeah, definition of being thirsty (sexual frustration is likely high). This coupled with alcohol (and probably not being used to it) is a recipe for disaster. Young men in general with that "lets go all out" mentality on such days are difficult to handle.

Disgusting to see what happened - the Police really needs to be on point whenever large groups of people and alcohol is involved.
 

magnetic

Member
The yearly carnival (of which Cologne is the heart and center of) is also just around the corner in about a month. New Years Eve is nothing compared to the Karneval, which basically is people being drunk all day.

I´m very curious to see how this whole nightmare of a story is going to impact this event this year.

Police arrested 2 suspects and found this:



"useful" sentences to know in German if you plan a sexual assault.
piece of shits those guys.

http://www.ksta.de/koeln/sote-deutsch-arabischer-uebersetzungs-zettel,15187530,33480596.html

"Ich habe eine Überraschung" (I have a surprise) is the one that turns my stomach the most. "Ich töte sie" (I will kill you) is at least pure intimidation, but "I have a surprise" is so cynic and calculating, I have no words.

This whole thing couldn´t have come at a worse time. The mood regarding refugees was already very heated and splitting people in two opposing camps. They are playing right into the extreme rights hands with this behaviour, and in a way that is more effective than anything I could have come up with even if I tried.

I also really worry about the safety of female and children refugees in those camps. But since these come from countries where speaking up against abuse is very shameful and discouraged, who knows what they are going through.

By the way, the most iconic german feminist Alice Schwarzer has written an article about this on her website. She and her magazine Emma have been accused of racism since 30 years whenever they have been talking about cultures that oppress women. I think as a country we have been far too apathetic when it comes to how women are treated and called it "well, different cultural backgrounds!" as an excuse far too often.

When we grant people the human right to safety, we should expect them to respect the human rights of others as well.
 
How could they receive a tip-off of plans in advance if it wasn't organised?

Wasn't it established that the tip-off was (at least mostly) Sunni and Shia groups messing with each other? They both were going to celebrate new year... knowing about it in advance doesn't require much detective skills.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
The yearly carnival (of which Cologne is the heart and center of) is also just around the corner in about a month. New Years Eve is nothing compared to the Karneval, which basically is people being drunk all day.

I´m very curious to see how this whole nightmare of a story is going to impact this event this year.

Well it will be tougher to spot them because most people are drunk anyway and they wont be in the majority. Also after this NYE i would expect the police and to be more prepared for upcoming events.
 

justjohn

Member
Gemüsepizza;191593058 said:
You are disgusting.
They warned the Germans that this sort would happen. In fact you didnt really need to be an expert to predict this. Whats worse is the innocent genuine refugees or even minorities who were born in germany especially the turks being lumped in with this.
 
I also really worry about the safety of female and children refugees in those camps. But since these come from countries where speaking up against abuse is very shameful and discouraged, who knows what they are going through.
There have been reports last year about some really messed up things in refugee centers, with abuse, forced prostitution, dealing drugs, etc. Don't know how much has done to address those things, haven't heard much about it lately (although the whole refugee crisis was less in the news the last months until these new events happened).
 

E92 M3

Member
I was worried for Germany before even the first refugee came, but unfortunately my fears are coming to fruition. I love Germany and it's a damn shame about what's going on. The big problem is they can't just be kicked out now.
 

justjohn

Member
yeah, hungarians love it when germans get sexually assaulted.. wtf man?
I think my wording was off. Of course they dont love it. I was referring to the fact that theyve been proven right with their prediction when they were initially attacked by everyone for being nazis.
 
Strange that I'm just getting caught up on this now, and even stranger that I can't see anything on the front pages of nytimes.com or bbcnews.com about this.
 
I think my wording was off. Of course they dont love it. I was referring to the fact that theyve been proven right with their prediction when they were initially attacked by everyone for being nazis.

Anybody with any sense would have come to the same conclusion. Ways to prevent horrible things like this should have been implemented as soon as the refugees started to show up in large numbers.

I am extemely glad I don't live in Europe now, I wouldn't want to deal with this crap and the inevitable downward spiral into an even worse situation.
 
I just don't understand how some people like Anita, Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu or Felicia Day simply do not talk about this. They are the ones giving strenght to the fight against rape culture, they actually have a voice in this matter and yet...nothing.

What happened to these women is disgusting, why is everyone quiet this time?
 

Jisgsaw

Member
It might have been planned in the sense of "let's all meet there", but organized crime or even terrorism gives them too much credit and goes into conspiracy territory.


I think it's much more likely that it was "natural", as fucked up as that might sound. I said this last year already in the other thread but the refugees being 70% young men is dangerous and demands extremely quick ways of proper integration considering the high number of people.
- large groups of people can turn to shit very quickly in general (mob effect, anonymity etc.)
- young (single) men are easily the worst and potentially dangerous group of people regarding any metric and no matter the culture/race
- A certain percentage of adults are shitty/criminal to begin with, so obviously you will always have some bad apples to deal with. But you quickly might reach your limit to deal with them depending on the total number of refugees.
- couple that with alcohol and a party that happens in every city at every outdoor place where people gather (that's the simple reason why it feels organized btw)
- sexual frustration and a cultural&religious upbringing that sees women as lesser worth humans, especially if they are from other cultures/religions.
- lack of respect regarding authorities and western women (dressed up etc., thinking they are more easy etc.) in the sense that lines are quickly crossed. While at the same time a false sense of honor is applied to themselves, family and culture/religion.
- general frustration due to living in relative poverty (and crowded placed with limited resources) when for many of them Europe is supposed to be some sort of paradise for everyone and the sudden realization for ~half of them that in half a year your asylum request WILL be denied because you're not from a warzone.


Note that this is not excusing them of anything but people should have known what they are "importing". This also doesn't mean we should just block warezone refugees from entering Europe nor stop helping people in need.
But you have to be clear about what you're dealing with and don't stick a left or right political label to it. Some cultures are just easier to live with western standards than others. It's about efficiency (kicking out economic refugees faster etc.) and coming up with social structures that ensure successful immigration quickly (we still have problems with decades-old immigrants because their kids got more conservative/radical than their parents).
The biggest problem are the high numbers, the systems and resources in place are not up for that. As are the police forces. So, again, get rid of economic refugees ASAP and get all European countries to pull their weight by dividing up the total number of people.

Pretty good sum up.
I really hope they find the culprits (even if that seems to be hard) and send them back from whence they came if they are refugees. I think a good show of what happens to those asylum seekers that break the law should serve as a considerable dissuasion for other refugees to commit any crime.
 

Donos

Member
Did you also sexual harass people in groups, tear of their clothes and went out stealing from people? I doubt it, or at least hope not.

This is way worse then just some guys misbehaving because of a bit of alcohol.

People have been misbehaving during big events and NYE forever of course, but not on this scale or in this way before.

That "me 14 years before" was related to the actions in the video i posted regarding groups of young men thowing fireworks and rockets on other people without thinking twice and the "NYE has his own dynamic" statement. That was not to apologize the actions that happened in Cologne (and other cities) which is on a different level and without any excuse.

It might have been planned in the sense of "let's all meet there", but organized crime or even terrorism gives them too much credit and goes into conspiracy territory.


I think it's much more likely that it was "natural", as fucked up as that might sound. I said this last year already in the other thread but the refugees being 70% young men is dangerous and demands extremely quick ways of proper integration considering the high number of people.
- large groups of people can turn to shit very quickly in general (mob effect, anonymity etc.)
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That post from SoliduDave sums up what i wanted to say way better than i did and i agree with almost every point.

That's a very troubling aspect yes. One should be able to discuss these issues without being immediately seen in a negative light by "holier than thou" mentality.

That is tied to germany's (or better Nazi germany's) WWII actions and probably will for the next decade or two. 2006 at the World Cup, a lot of people critized the celebrating masses wearing and showing the german flag everywhere.A group walked through some Berlin districts and cutted off the german plastic car flags, saying the germans have no right to be proud of germany. Because Holocaust/WWII.
 
Strange that I'm just getting caught up on this now, and even stranger that I can't see anything on the front pages of nytimes.com or bbcnews.com about this.
BBC has it in the frontpage. "Asylum seekers among Cologne suspects." NYTimes reported on it also earlier, but not that much it seems.
 

thecdr

Banned
I just don't understand how some people like Anita, Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu or Felicia Day simply do not talk about this. They are the ones giving strenght to the fight against rape culture, they actually have a voice in this matter and yet...nothing.

What happened to these women is disgusting, why is everyone quiet this time?

You can't make money from talking about this.
 

Dan1984uk

Banned
It makes me glad the UK has not taken so many refuges in, now don't take that as me saying no to refuges I'm just glad we have more control over it.

I think Germany was wrong to allow so many refuges in at such a fast rate they should have allowed more time for nations in Europe to prepare properly.
 
Great post SolidusDave - completely agree.

(young) (uneducated) (alcohol) (thirsty/Horny) (mob mentality)

Police and Government need to step up their game in the future.

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That is tied to germany's (or better Nazi germany's) WWII actions and probably will for the next decade or two. 2006 at the World Cup, a lot of people critized the celebrating masses wearing and showing the german flag everywhere.A group walked through some Berlin districts and cutted off the german plastic car flags, saying the germans have no right to be proud of germany. Because Holocaust/WWII.
I remember that, complete bullshit.

Somewhat related to this topic:

After 1945, Germany's constitution was set up as a reaction against Hitler's brutal treatment of political opponents.

Which is why Article 16a stipulates that anyone fleeing political oppression has a right to asylum in Germany.

Closing the door to refugees, Chancellor Angela Merkel has argued, would mean changing the country's constitution.

The shadow of the Nazis is also why the current debate over the sexual harassment of more than 100 women in Cologne on New Year's Eve is particularly difficult.

The attackers appeared to be of Arabic or North African origin.

For far-right extremists, this is an ideal opportunity to enflame xenophobia using an old Nazi trope: the pure German woman abused by the "foreigner."

In the 1930s, for Nazis, it was the Jew. Today, for neo-Nazis, that "foreigner" is the Muslim.

Hitler's book may be back in the mainstream. But Germans are determined to make sure that his ideas never are.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35242523
 

2MF

Member
That is tied to germany's (or better Nazi germany's) WWII actions and probably will for the next decade or two. 2006 at the World Cup, a lot of people critized the celebrating masses wearing anstatements ses german flag everywhere.A group walked through some Berlin districts and cutted off the german plastic car flags, saying the germans have no right to be proud of germany. Because Holocaust/WWII.

It's not just Germany though. In Sweden it's quite common to have people quickly dismissing any sort of statement that goes against the mainstream dogma because it reminds people of "extreme" ideology. Even when said statement is done in a low key way without hyperbole.

Most people are simply not comfortable debating sensitive topics in an open minded way, which makes me sad because proper debate is a very good way for people to learn from each other and gain empathy for others.
 

norinrad

Member
I was worried for Germany before even the first refugee came, but unfortunately my fears are coming to fruition. I love Germany and it's a damn shame about what's going on. The big problem is they can't just be kicked out now.

Why not? If you have no permanent stay in a country and yet you go on about stealing, hurting others and disrupting society then you should be kicked out. And if those human rights people want to moan, send them along with those who refuse to just chill, enjoy, work, get to know the country and the rules of law in their new home.

People should be able to go on about their business without worrying about being assaulted.
 

entremet

Member
It might have been planned in the sense of "let's all meet there", but organized crime or even terrorism gives them too much credit and goes into conspiracy territory.


I think it's much more likely that it was "natural", as fucked up as that might sound. I said this last year already in the other thread but the refugees being 70% young men is dangerous and demands extremely quick ways of proper integration considering the high number of people.
- large groups of people can turn to shit very quickly in general (mob effect, anonymity etc.)
- young (single) men are easily the worst and potentially dangerous group of people regarding any metric and no matter the culture/race
- A certain percentage of adults are shitty/criminal to begin with, so obviously you will always have some bad apples to deal with. But you quickly might reach your limit to deal with them depending on the total number of refugees.
- couple that with alcohol and a party that happens in every city at every outdoor place where people gather (that's the simple reason why it feels organized btw)
- sexual frustration and a cultural&religious upbringing that sees women as lesser worth humans, especially if they are from other cultures/religions.
- lack of respect regarding authorities and western women (dressed up etc., thinking they are more easy etc.) in the sense that lines are quickly crossed. While at the same time a false sense of honor is applied to themselves, family and culture/religion.
- general frustration due to living in relative poverty (and crowded placed with limited resources) when for many of them Europe is supposed to be some sort of paradise for everyone and the sudden realization for ~half of them that in half a year your asylum request WILL be denied because you're not from a warzone.


Note that this is not excusing them of anything but people should have known what they are "importing". This also doesn't mean we should just block warezone refugees from entering Europe nor stop helping people in need.
But you have to be clear about what you're dealing with and don't stick a left or right political label to it. Some cultures are just easier to live with western standards than others. It's about efficiency (kicking out economic refugees faster etc.) and coming up with social structures that ensure successful immigration quickly (we still have problems with decades-old immigrants because their kids got more conservative/radical than their parents).
The biggest problem are the high numbers, the systems and resources in place are not up for that. As are the police forces. So, again, get rid of economic refugees ASAP and get all European countries to pull their weight by dividing up the total number of people.



Side note: My parents live in a small city that got a moderate number of accepted refugees (i.e. from warzones) and the place is like a paradise for immigration with Germans helping out the refugees (like free German lessons, cooking together etc). They don't live all in one place either. There are a lot of single men of course but there don't seem to be any problems and instead they show their gratitude by spontaneously cleaning up the Christian graveyard and stuff like that.

To add, it's not just young single men, but the lack of integration both economically and culturally.

If they're jobless and can't find young single women in within their culture due to the skewed gender ratios, you're asking for a lot of trouble.

That's a lot of energy that's not harnessed productively.

This is something cultures have known for ages, which is why things like rites of passages and standing armies were common to restrain this force.
 
Great, now we have Gamergate people joining in here with those right wing radicals.

Liberal media at work.

Riiiight.

I think my wording was off. Of course they dont love it. I was referring to the fact that theyve been proven right with their prediction when they were initially attacked by everyone for being nazis.

What "prediction"?

According to a new article, police in Cologne refused an offer from neighbouring districts, which would have given them 114 additional police men:

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...g-angebot-fuer-verstaerkung-aus-14003923.html

There also have been requests for additional police men during planning, which was denied. Police leadership fucked up. This might have been prevented.

plenty of german feminists are very vocal at the moment, if that's what you are asking.
not sure if the people you mentioned are in a position to comment on the assaults in europe.

They are indeed. Many are surprised why suddenly so many people are interested in women rights, when there have been countless sexual assaults and rapes at previous occasions like the Oktoberfest. They don't want their cause being tainted by racists.
 
Why not? If you have no permanent stay in a country and yet you go on about stealing, hurting others and disrupting society then you should be kicked out. And if those human rights people want to moan, send them along with those who refuse to just chill, enjoy, work, get to know the country and the rules of law in their new home.

People should be able to go on about their business without worrying about being assaulted.
The thing is not all involved will be new immigrants. Some already have a German passport or are even second or third generation immigrants that failed to integrate into society. I don't know if you can take someones passport away for crimes like this.

In case of new Syrian refugees, where do you sent them? Back to Syria is not an option due to human rights, and no other countries have an obligation to let them in, so sending them back to refugee camps in Turkey and Lebanon is a no go also. I also rather sent them away, but it seems locking them up is the best thing for now and send them back when the war is over, although that might be years.

When they are from other countries, they should be sent back right away. And otherwise they should be denied anyway, since countries like Algeria and Morocco are not at war.
 

Kinokou

Member
This whole "men who can't get women will cause trouble" is kind of bothering me.

It's hard to put words on the feeling I get, but when I read it I get the feeling all men would be like that if put in the same situation, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable to do such a generalization, mixed in there there's also a little bit of fear of the "beast" on the inside of every man and a bit of pride of the superiority of my own sex. We kind of have seen the proof in the pudding during this cologne incident, and I'm assuming many who writes something along those lines are men as well, so it's kind of hard to ignore.

Do we have any comparable situations of what kinds of trouble "women who can't get men" have caused? Finding out about something like that might knock that tingling superiority feeling out of me.

Sorry if I am rambling and being sexists, but I wanted to try putting down the discomfort I experience when reading those kinds of words and maybe get a male perspective on the case and judgment of what seems like an even grosser "boys will be boys" variant.
 
http://de.reuters.com/article/topNews/idDEKBN0UM15U20160108



9 Algeria, 8 Marocco, 4 Syria, 5 Iran, 1 Iraq, 1 Serbia, 1 American 2 Germans.

And the first stolen phones have been found in refugee centers.

As I said before, take a clue from Canada and only accept women , children and families. You cant do a background check to everyone that comes .


It would also make sense to prioritize christian, yazidis and other minorities like the druze, etc .
 

ana

Member
don't worry, we have Soldiers of Odin and other neonazi groups patrolling the streets. and more will come, we will be so safe.


these are REAL men with SISU! here to protect us all from criminal scum.

It's basically useless what those dimwits are doing..

From the beginning there should have been better control so that those people who need help would get it..
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
http://de.reuters.com/article/topNews/idDEKBN0UM15U20160108



9 Algeria, 8 Marocco, 4 Syria, 5 Iran, 1 Iraq, 1 Serbia, 1 American 2 Germans.

And the first stolen phones have been found in refugee centers.
Unbelievable. Absolutely abhorrent behavior. I am embarrassed as a muslim and I am not even Arab. I dont know what kind of parents raised these people, but seeing as how this wasn't even isolated to one city or even isolated to Germany it really begs the question if people like Trump and Ted Cruz are right.

I really didnt think so many muslim youths were capable of sexually assaulting random women on the streets. I was just arguing with a friend yesterday about how bizarre and unlikely this is, but it is too widespread to be just a one off thing. This will likely change the way people in Europe live. If women cant go out in the night then we have failed as a society and the blame will fall on muslims. I dont know if its fair to blame a million arab refugees for the actions of a few hundred but you dont see any other ethnicity going out and sexually assaulting women.

I am just blown away by this, disappointed and angry. Please dont take this the wrong way.
 

Jumeira

Banned
Unbelievable. Absolutely abhorrent behavior. I am embarrassed as a muslim and I am not even Arab. I dont know what kind of parents raised these people, but seeing as how this wasn't even isolated to one city or even isolated to Germany it really begs the question if people like Trump and Ted Cruz are right.

I really didnt think so many muslim youths were capable of sexually assaulting random women on the streets. I was just arguing with a friend yesterday about how bizarre and unlikely this is, but it is too widespread to be just a one off thing. This will likely change the way people in Europe live. If women cant go out in the night then we have failed as a society and the blame will fall on muslims. I dont know if its fair to blame a million arab refugees for the actions of a few hundred but you dont see any other ethnicity going out and sexually assaulting women.

I am just blown away by this, disappointed and angry. Please dont take this the wrong way.

That's taking it too far, I'm sure their own community are disgusted by them, and are hopefully helping the police to bring these idiots to justice.

It makes me glad the UK has not taken so many refuges in, now don't take that as me saying no to refuges I'm just glad we have more control over it.

I think Germany was wrong to allow so many refuges in at such a fast rate they should have allowed more time for nations in Europe to prepare properly.
We had a better system in place, but we should be taking more. But yes, not how Germany handled its immigrants. We made them apply via centres and examined each case.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Unbelievable. Absolutely abhorrent behavior. I am embarrassed as a muslim and I am not even Arab. I dont know what kind of parents raised these people, but seeing as how this wasn't even isolated to one city or even isolated to Germany it really begs the question if people like Trump and Ted Cruz are right.

I really didnt think so many muslim youths were capable of sexually assaulting random women on the streets. I was just arguing with a friend yesterday about how bizarre and unlikely this is, but it is too widespread to be just a one off thing. This will likely change the way people in Europe live. If women cant go out in the night then we have failed as a society and the blame will fall on muslims. I dont know if its fair to blame a million arab refugees for the actions of a few hundred but you dont see any other ethnicity going out and sexually assaulting women.

I am just blown away by this, disappointed and angry. Please dont take this the wrong way.
I really don't get this post. Be ashamed for the human race instead... We kill, rape and rob every second.

Why would you be ashamed for your religion because of a dozen idiots? You aren't responsible for their actions. Don't even know where the religion thing is coming from...this behavior isn't exclusive to a religion or region.
 

CoolOff

Member
This whole "men who can't get women will cause trouble" is kind of bothering me.

It's hard to put words on the feeling I get, but when I read it I get the feeling all men would be like that if put in the same situation, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable to do such a generalization, mixed in there there's also a little bit of fear of the "beast" on the inside of every man and a bit of pride of the superiority of my own sex. We kind of have seen the proof in the pudding during this cologne incident, and I'm assuming many who writes something along those lines are men as well, so it's kind of hard to ignore.

Do we have any comparable situations of what kinds of trouble "women who can't get men" have caused? Finding out about something like that might knock that tingling superiority feeling out of me.

Sorry if I am rambling and being sexists, but I wanted to try putting down the discomfort I experience when reading those kinds of words and maybe get a male perspective on the case and judgment of what seems like an even grosser "boys will be boys" variant.

I'll get the source when I get to a computer, but I recently read that there's a strong correlation between a imbalance between the number of men and women where crime increased when the percentage of "extra" men increased, so it's a very real phenomenon.
 

Guevara

Member
It's like every day the news is worse: more women assaulted, more perpetrators, and more organized.

It's like a conspiracy to commit sexual violence.
 

Kinyou

Member
Gemüsepizza;191597303 said:
They are indeed. Many are surprised why suddenly so many people are interested in women rights, when there have been countless sexual assaults and rapes at previous occasions like the Oktoberfest. They don't want their cause being tainted by racists.
The people who care more about how it reflects on the refugees aren't that great either.

Back in November Alice Schwarzer was called a racist just for making a list of demands to improve conditions for women in refugee camps.
 

entremet

Member
This whole "men who can't get women will cause trouble" is kind of bothering me.

It's hard to put words on the feeling I get, but when I read it I get the feeling all men would be like that if put in the same situation, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable to do such a generalization, mixed in there there's also a little bit of fear of the "beast" on the inside of every man and a bit of pride of the superiority of my own sex. We kind of have seen the proof in the pudding during this cologne incident, and I'm assuming many who writes something along those lines are men as well, so it's kind of hard to ignore.

Do we have any comparable situations of what kinds of trouble "women who can't get men" have caused? Finding out about something like that might knock that tingling superiority feeling out of me.

Sorry if I am rambling and being sexists, but I wanted to try putting down the discomfort I experience when reading those kinds of words and maybe get a male perspective on the case and judgment of what seems like an even grosser "boys will be boys" variant.

Then you're ignoring history.

It's not so much that their sexually frustrated deviants, but skewed gender ratios at that age are problematic.

Marriage and couplehood has always been seen a civilizing force for young men.

Obviously, in today's society it's much more pluralistic, but you're ignoring that these men come from another culture, one that is not individualistic like most of Western culture is.

If they're not settling down, are in a foreign culture, have no jobs or economic prospects, and it's hundreds of thousands of them, these types of events should not be a surprise.

It's deeper than boys will boys.

This is why inculturation is so important.
 
To be fair, while asking people like Anita, Zoe Quinn etc to speak up on this issue is unreasonable, the response from feminists in general to stuff like this isn't exactly plain to see.

Feminists of all stripes weighed in for a big lengthy discussion about rape culture on campuses in the US (and other countries), meanwhile the comparative silence on scandals like Rotherham was deafening.
 

Leyasu

Banned
I'm seriously considering signing my little girl up for shit like Krav Maga as soon as she's old enough, just to give her a fighting chance against animals like this.
Six is the age that kids can start krav maga in France.. My boy will be starting in two years and my little girl in 4 and a half. France is OK, but I am from the UK which ain't that great, but I wanna make sure my kids can look after themselves a bit.

Really, I will encourage my kids to do good at school/university and head off to Australia or new Zealand when they are older.. The old world (Europe) is fucked.
 

s_mirage

Member
9 Algeria, 8 Marocco, 4 Syria, 5 Iran, 1 Iraq, 1 Serbia, 1 American 2 Germans.

Hmm, can't say I'm terribly surprised by the origins of the majority disclosed so far. A pretty well travelled female friend of mine visited Morocco, on her own for better or worse, a year or so back. She's been places more impoverished with no issues, yet found herself made to feel incredibly uncomfortable by the men there. She was constantly harassed and followed, sometimes even when she was with others. Luckily she able to hook up with some other British tourists for the duration of the trip, so thankfully nothing really bad happened. Of course, a person isn't necessarily going to be a problem because of their place of origin, but the cultures in certain regions that are spawning large numbers of migrants seem to have sizeable problems with men having a lack of respect for women, especially western women.

Merkel's attempt to be a great humanitarian with an open door policy is going to prove to be an idiotic mistake. Letting so many people in at once, with little chance of them properly integrating in the near future, combined with the predictable actions of some of the immigrants, is going to fuel hatred towards migrants generally, and play right into the hands of the far right. A far right that is sadly going to grow in strength as long as the liberal elite in some parts of Europe continue to ignore or play down potential issues that large scale migration can bring, while simultaneously attempting to brand people raising concerns as racists.
 

Kurdel

Banned
Damn, this incident really does make the other 800,000 migrants all look like a mistake, and nothing but trash.

/s

"They called us racists for being against it, and look at this incident! Generalizations justified" is what I am reading a lot of here.
 

Moonstar

Neo Member
I think my wording was off. Of course they dont love it. I was referring to the fact that theyve been proven right with their prediction when they were initially attacked by everyone for being nazis.

Well, tbh, a lot of them were in fact Nazis or right-wing hooligans. Orban is still horrible.
You can be against and critical of mass-immigration but that doesn't have to mean resorting to violence.

I have always been against what Merkel was doing, I think it will set Germany back a decade and I don't want it but at the same time I am volunteering with refugees, especially kids and women because if I was them I would come as well. I am angry with my government and plenty of naive people but I would never vote for the Afd or walk with Pegida. They are scum. Sadly, there is no alternative. I guess right now, I agree witht he CSU the most which is pretty much crazy.
 

Leyasu

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It is only a matter of time before one EU country elects a right wing government which will be the tipping point, and all the rest follow suit.

You can almost feel the anticipation. It's coming.
 

Leyasu

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Poland has elected one and the EU is not happy
Who, the unelected gravy train riders in Brussels and Strasbourg or the common folk??

Because I have not heard one person saying anything bad about it.

Lol yeah they are eurosceptic so of course the EU is not happy.
 

FartOfWar

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Feminists of all stripes weighed in for a big lengthy discussion about rape culture on campuses in the US (and other countries), meanwhile the comparative silence on scandals like Rotherham was deafening.

Cognitive biases and heuristics. Look at this thread and the noted absence of those who typically contribute to discussions on rape culture and sexual equality, for instance. Cognitive dissonance predicts that those who see the inevitable product of rape culture in Eliot Rodger's crimes are unwilling and unable to see the same in this case despite similar occurrences under almost identical circumstances in Egypt (http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/germany-now-has-north-africa-s-sex-crime-troubles-1.11296999).
 
Damn, this incident really does make the other 800,000 migrants all look like a mistake, and nothing but trash.

/s

"They called us racists for being against it, and look at this incident! Generalizations justified" is what I am reading a lot of here.
You are not helping a civil discussion on the topic with replies like this. Point is, many people did see problems coming when their politicians opened the doors for an unmanageable amount of refugees - among which people from other regions hid to also try to get into the EU. Do some take it too far? Yes. But just looking away and pretending nothing is happening is just as bad. There are problems and those can be named and handled.

Poland has elected one and the EU is not happy
The complaints about Polands new government has more to do with their new media rules and appointing judges that are favorable to the current leaders. Those are two things the government should keep out of as much as possible.
 
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