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Nomura Securities: NX will be unveiled in June and released October-November

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I mean, I'd welcome minor hints at how things are going behind the scenes.

Perhaps "mmh..." was just supposed to be a "I'm thinking..." tease. However, according to Google, it can also stand for "meet me halfway." Never knew that.

A thought inspired by IdeaMan's post: it'll be ironic if NX releases this year and Watch_Dogs 2 is a launch title, given that title's troubled history on Wii U.
 
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thefro

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Aostia said:
Nirolak reasoning is fair as usual and arkham report only confirms it.
But it was pretty obvious also earlier.
We got no leak and no comment at all.
The only reason why nobody even ever commented about NX is simply a complete lack of interest from western publisher.
Maybe we could see another wiiu initial support with lego or skylander because those games sold decently even on wiiu. Even a cod or an assassin are way less probable.
They dont leak non comment because they are not interested in a nintendo hw.
Different matter ffor japanese ones and in fact we already had Koei comment nx, SE pseudo annuncing games, Atlus suspiciously keeping etrian oddissey 5 console secret and so on...
Primarly because they are interested in a nintendo portable for domestic sales and possibly in anything that could rum japanese games in the west
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The blurb from Fortune in June of last year (which is one of the better legit sources we have), mentioned the reaction from third parties at E3 2015 was positive.

We also did get comments from EA's CEO about the NX a couple months ago that you could read as positive.

There's also the comments from Takeda and Takahashi from the last Nintendo investor Q&A that suggest the NX SDK is going to be all third parties need for most of development.

Genyo Takeda (Senior Managing Director, Technology Fellow):

　I understand that, thanks to the evolution of computer technology, aiming to realize a virtualized software development environment that does not depend on specific hardware is becoming the technological norm today.
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In the case of EA, remember that basically their entire console output runs on either the Frostbite engine (action games) or Ignite engine (sports games). Only the necessary number of folks on those two engine teams to get those engines running on NX will need the SDK at this point. Or possibly even less than that if Nintendo has internal staff helping to get those engines up and running on NX.
 
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FZZ

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I actually think companies might be under god-level NDA's now which is why we aren't getting any leaks

We know they are ramping up for hardware production, so hearing nothing on the software side of things indicates to me that Nintendo really REALLY doesn't want anyone to know about what they're doing hardware wise

The Iwata quote where he said they will remain quiet because they don't want competitors to know what they're cooking up comes to mind. I truly believe they are making a Wii level gamble this time, and I feel like it actually might pay off.

Also IdeaMan, nice to see you back. When I was a lurker on GAF before I even had an account, all your tidbits of info throughout the WUST were amazing to me. I would like to thank you for going out of your way to give that info, even if all of it was not correct.
 
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jbluzb

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I am excited if NX can launch at $250 this year :D

That will bring stiff competition to ps4 and xbox one. If they launch at $350, good luck at selling lifetime sales of 10 million worldwide.
 
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AzaK

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10k said:
You're crushing my dreams of the NX getting all the big third party IP's. NX isn't getting FIFA confirmed.
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Don't entertain that idea at all. There's no reason to think Nintendo will try and get Western third parties. They'd have to change so much about their approach and hardware for developers to even contemplate it.


Nirolak said:
The lack of leaks in general has suggested to me that not many Western developers have it given the entire industry is a leaky bucket.

By this time from launch for the PS4 and XB1 we had 20+ page documents detailing their entire setup and weekly (or more) rumors.
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PS4 was probably in development for 5-6 years at that point though right? NX is being rushed out after probably a couple of years development to this point. I wouldn't be surprised if they just aren't really ready for many third parties to take on projects with it.
 
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Rainbowgun said:
How could such an NDA look like?

Punishments for every company involved in case someone leaks something, or hints something?
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You leak something, your company is contractually required to develop at least 5 retail games for NX at a quality level that Nintendo will decide. If you have a second offense, then Nintendo acquires any studio of its choosing from that company to now be second party while still funded by the original company for 10 years. If the leaker is from a company with one studio, then Nintendo now owns them completely. With each consecutive offense, another studio is claimed by Nintendo.

This is Nintendo's plan for regaining third party support.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Vena said:
I doubt they'd want to miss the western holiday season.



You said this before and I agree with you. I suspect that Nintendo is taking a different approach this time around and playing for whatever long-game they've got in their head. I think they're as disillusioned with western support (now, at least, mid-gen) as we all should be and come to terms with. They're going to have come at the market with something other than "unprecedented partnerships".

I do, however, suspect they will attempt to snag as much of Japan as they can while there's still basically no market outside of the 3DS/Mobile, and attempt to also leverage that in west while rebuilding their brand off and away from the Wii/WiiU. This lines up with the WSJ leak on dev kits, as I suspect that leak came from one of the bigger companies out of Japan.

Of course, I don't know how to marry this with John's info with regards to the heavy NDAs and such, and the console being already shown off last year to people in the west. We haven't heard a word from that either, which is very strange.
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Given what said by Arkam (even if he stated how it wasn't the end of the world for now, considering different studios could have dev kits, etc.) and by John Harker, I'd try to marry infos like this:

- there are Western publishers who should have already dev kits
- those (IMHO) are Activision, Ubisoft and Warner: all publishers still supporting Wii U, and with expanded audience offerings
- those, in a scenario where NDAs are limiting leaks here and there, could have a certain amount of games that's not limited to expanded audience titles; or better, the "core" focused titles could be more than what we tthink
- others could have not received dev kits yet (back at Thanksgiving last year, at least). Even if Arkam talked about a specific team, I can see EA being one of those. Also: Bethesda, 2K.
- John Harker is nearer to Ubisoft than other publishers, so he could know about NDAs, dev kits and what not because Ubisoft could have been one of the first Western publishers to be contacted; while EA has surely left Nintendo in the cold in the past few years, so a cold first response to NX can be possible
- to be honest, I've always doubted about the just mentioned publishers on NX, especially at launch. Heck, my "optimistic" Western forecast had something like...only sport titles from EA at first :lol

Hopefully, this makes sense enough

*sees Ideaman's post*

Oh man
Ok, Ideaman. If you want to post/give us infos, just be more careful this time. No WUST excessive optimism, please. I'm watching you :p
 
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ksamedi

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I dont think it is that important for Nintendo to have support from major US third parties. Its more important to nurture new developers and create an environment for them to grow in. They should create a whole new breed of third parties. There are tons of mobile developers out there that could have success on a console platform. Nintendo should reach out to them as the mobile gaming market is too competitive to have any meaningful sustainable business in. Not saying that a few mobile gaming giants will have continued success, but most one hit stars are struggling to make a new hit.
 
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Coda

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The problem I always had with the Wii U was that I always felt like I was turning the console on for one game. What defines a great console these days is the feeling that you maybe have 3-4 amazing titles that you are playing at once. All of them being games that came out fairly recently. If Nintendo can make the NX a console with an incredibly robust library early on then they have a good shot at moving towards a better position in the industry. If it still remains to be a one big budget game every 4 months scenario then they're most likely doomed.
 
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Chris Ticehurst

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kirbyfan407 said:
You leak something, your company is contractually required to develop at least 5 retail games for NX at a quality level that Nintendo will decide. If you have a second offense, then Nintendo acquires any studio of its choosing from that company to now be second party while still funded by the original company for 10 years. If the leaker is from a company with one studio, then Nintendo now owns them completely. With each consecutive offense, another studio is claimed by Nintendo.

This is Nintendo's plan for regaining third party support.
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So Nintendo could own EA in under 4 years
 
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Neoxon

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Rubixcuba said:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey. Its 2012 all over again!
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FZZ

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Rainbowgun said:
How could such an NDA look like?

Punishments for every company involved in case someone leaks something, or hints something?
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I have no idea. Could honestly imagine it being an immediate seizure of devkits, and hefty ass fine.

But it really is super weird how we know nothing about the console software wise.
 
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Neoxon

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Rubixcuba said:
Ideaman in a Nintendo thread? Dig out the time machine were heading back to the infamous Wii U Speculation Threads. Brace for inflated hopes, dreams and a whole lot of crazy.
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Threads, as in more than one? Weren't there more leaks back then than there are now?
 
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The_Lump

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thefro said:
The blurb from Fortune in June of last year (which is one of the better legit sources we have), mentioned the reaction from third parties at E3 2015 was positive.

We also did get comments from EA's CEO about the NX a couple months ago that you could read as positive.

There's also the comments from Takeda and Takahashi from the last Nintendo investor Q&A that suggest the NX SDK is going to be all third parties need for most of development.



In the case of EA, remember that basically their entire console output runs on either the Frostbite engine (action games) or Ignite engine (sports games). Only the necessary number of folks on those two engine teams to get those engines running on NX will need the SDK at this point. Or possibly even less than that if Nintendo has internal staff helping to get those engines up and running on NX.
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This is extremely interesting. I often wondered if something like this was technically possible.

Seems it is and that really would be a
Revolution
in gaming.


The Takeda quote for reference:
Genyo Takeda (Senior Managing Director said:
　I understand that, thanks to the evolution of computer technology, aiming to realize a virtualized software development environment that does not depend on specific hardware is becoming the technological norm today. Simultaneously, regarding input and output technologies, I believe that it is also in line with the current technological trend that Nintendo should challenge itself with the creation of a unique user interface.
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Might explain the lack of leaks - there are no devkits :eek:
 
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Loris146

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Neoxon said:
I don't get it, why is everyone so hype for his return? From what I was told, he got a few things wrong. Was it like the Gematsu leak for Smash 4 where it was super-early info?
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I don't care ahahaha ... I just want leaks and meltdown on gaf. Is fun to watch .

Anyway i hope we'll get reliable leaks :)
 
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Nightbird

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Neoxon said:
Threads, as in more than one? Weren't there more leaks back then than there are now?
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There were multiple speculation threads, and if I remember correctly there were multiple things that Ideaman leaked that turned out to be true (I don't know what they were since it's already been 4 years.
However, not all what he said turned out to be correct, but that could have been because of some changes with later SDK's.

Overall, Ideaman proved himself to be a reliable source at that time.
 
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Neoxon

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Loris146 said:
I don't care ahahaha ... I just want leaks and meltdown on gaf. Is fun to watch .

Anyway i hope we'll get reliable leaks :)
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I honestly try to keep my expectation as low as realistically possible without going into "Nintendo's gonna go third party after this" territory. It minimizes disappointment.

Rainbowgun said:
There were multiple speculation threads, and if I remember correctly there were multiple things that Ideaman leaked that turned out to be true (I don't know what they were since it's already been 4 years.
However, not all what he said turned out to be correct, but that could have been because of some changes with later SDK's.

Overall, Ideaman proved himself to be a reliable source at that time.
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So it was like the Gematsu leak for Smash 4.
 
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Übermatik

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Neoxon said:
Threads, as in more than one? Weren't there more leaks back then than there are now?
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There were several "Wii U speculation threads", where GAFers discussed the possibilities of Nitnendo's next hardware. Alongside this discussion was 'insider' input, developers and staff in the industry that occasionally dropped info and 'tidbits' ;) - one of these people (amongst a few) was IdeaMan, a french(?) dude that kept the threads going with occasional 'leaks'...

Here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434824
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459256
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466196
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469930
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472816
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475014

Neoxon said:
I don't get it, why is everyone so hype for his return? From what I was told, he got a few things wrong. Was it like the Gematsu leak for Smash 4 where it was super-early info?
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He got a few things wrong, yeah, but this was mostly because he injected hype into the details, which kinda came back and bit him in the ass. A lot of the info he shared regarding the devkits was correct, however, and his information correlates with what we've since heard post-release form other devs.
 
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Neoxon

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Übermatik;191676740 said:
There were several "Wii U speculation threads", where GAFers discussed the possibilities of Nitnendo's next hardware. Alongside this discussion was 'insider' input, developers and staff in the industry that occasionally dropped info and 'tidbits' ;) - one of these people (amongst a few) was IdeaMan, a french(?) dude that kept the threads going with occasional 'leaks'...

Here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434824
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459256
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466196
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469930
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472816
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475014



He got a few things wrong, yeah, but this was mostly because he injected hype into the details, which kinda came back and bit him in the ass. A lot of the info he shared regarding the devkits was correct, however, and his information correlates with what we've since heard post-release form other devs.
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So it's less of his info being a Gematsu situation & more of him letting his hype sauce mix into his info sauce (so-to-speak) a little bit. Like when you eat chicken strips & you get a bit of honey mustard in your buffalo sauce.
 
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Übermatik

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Neoxon said:
So it's less of his info being a Gematsu situation & more of him letting his hype sauce mix into his info sauce (so-to-speak) a little bit. Like when you eat chicken strips & you get a bit of honey mustard in your buffalo sauce.
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Er s-sure... chicken strips...

But yeah, there was a bit of damage control and back-pedalling later on in the threads when it became increasingly apparent some of the things IdeaMan had hinted at would not materialise. I think most of GAF would say he was 'reliable' yet '50% accurate' :D

Who knows. Basically right now, he's like the only member to have appeared that we know and (sorta) trust. A bunch of other members and devs I recognise are nowhere to be seen...
 
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Rubixcuba

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Neoxon said:
So it's less of his info being a Gematsu situation & more of him letting his hype sauce mix into his info sauce (so-to-speak) a little bit. Like when you eat chicken strips & you get a bit of honey mustard in your buffalo sauce.
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You just had to be there during WUST. Everything was honey mustard.

With Ideaman and Arkam these past few pages, this thread has delivered on NX speculation.
 
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The_Lump

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doop_ said:
If the tidbits he might leak are inaccurate I'd rather he not leak anything at all.
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The bits he leaked or hinted at were accurate. Problem was when he gave his opinion, people took that as fact as well and set themselves up for disappointment.
 
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