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Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame

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Yarbskoo

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People who chase achievements for the sake of achievements even when it is no longer fun are weird. I hope they patch achievements out from games. :)

They only really exist to pander to manchildren who live in their parent's basements. I don't want my games to be associated with those kinds of people.
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
If you thought they would bring that over you don't know Nintendo.

This is the company that said to Platinum that Bayonetta's Link Costume should show more skin.

I've never found the thunder plains thing difficult or all that time consuming since you can manually trigger the lightning strikes.

Not just that. I just can't figure out how trying to do stuff like the Chocobo Racing was any fun at all urghhhh. At least Bloodborne's platinum was relatively quick and painless compared to that.

The odd dialog and now the petting is officially weirding me out. Consider me out.

Why would you out now since they removed it exactly because they're afraid it'd be offensive to people like you? They're doing exactly what you want them to do and now you're out?
 
This is the company that said to Platinum that Bayonetta's Link Costume should show more skin.



Not just that. I just can't figure out how trying to do stuff like the Chocobo Racing was any fun at all urghhhh. At least Bloodborne's platinum was relatively quick and painless compared to that.



Why would you out now since they removed it exactly because they're afraid it'd be offensive to people like you? They're doing exactly what you want them to do and now you're out?

You would then think "what was the point of removing it then?"
 

Neiteio

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People who chase achievements for the sake of achievements even when it is no longer fun are weird. I hope they patch achievements out from games. :)
I never understood the lust for achievements, either. I see them as a nice bonus when I like a game so much that I just want excuses to keep playing it. But when people torture themselves and turn it into a grind... I don't get it.
 

Dennis

Banned
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Hehe
 
He already dropped it, why would you want him to go back and think about Fairy Tale some more? You mean person!

I don't want him to go back. I'm just saying that if the anime bothered you, it is a lot tamer than it's original version, which is much more gratuitous with its fanservice.
 
I don't want him to go back. I'm just saying that if the anime bothered you, it is a lot tamer than it's original version, which is much more gratuitous with its fanservice.

I went manga up until Phantom Lord and then switched over to the anime until the Oracion Seis arc. Thus endeth my inertia.
 
I think someone is now passing along a rumor that the petting isn't gone, but seeing the source of it doesn't leave me... happy with who posted it....
 

Overside

Banned
People who chase achievements for the sake of achievements even when it is no longer fun are weird. I hope they patch achievements out from games. :)

Eh? Where did this come from? Its at the top of the page... I would go back to find the context, but I'm afraid of what I might stumble across on the way...

Oh well.

It would be for the best.

It would have a noticeable effect on better game design.

The focus on extrinsic arbitrary achievements has really eroded solid intrinsic design fundamentals over the past decade.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I think someone is now passing along a rumor that the petting isn't gone, but seeing the source of it doesn't leave me... happy with who posted it....

Referring to this from Reddit?


That fellow's name shows up in other replies so he's a real person if that's what you mean, but it's a PR answer and doesn't tell us anything per se.
 
Woolslayer is a pretty badass surname

I picture a knight running through a field slaying giant sheep monsters

No no you are reading that wrong, the name refers to the textile workers that would take a variety o wools from different breeds of sheep and lay them out in the designated area for processing or sale.

Edit: Predictive text on my phone suggested Woolsey after typing out "wools" ... does my phone keyboard know I'm posting in a thread on game localization??
 
Referring to this from Reddit?



That fellow's name shows up in other replies so he's a real person if that's what you mean, but it's a PR answer and doesn't tell us anything per se.

Not entirely. But I found it attached in the ANN forum, where that particular post had #GamerGate in the twitter. That's why I wasn't fond of that source.

Anyway, it is a mountain out of a molehill.
 

RK128

Member
Ahh, I've been busy so I haven't been able to keep up with this thread!

Anyway, a friend of mine came over last night with their Japanese copy of Fire Emblem If/Fates (coincidentally, it's the very same person who posted the videos that people are sharing in this thread) so that I could try it out for myself. I've watched them play it before, but I hadn't actually played it myself yet. It didn't really change my opinion of the feature much (but I already had a pretty good understanding of it prior, anyway), but my friend did mention some things that I hadn't even considered.

My friend has played through both Birthright and Conquest (and part of Revelation), and they've said that interestingly, they've gotten to know many characters entirely through this touching feature, and without it they'd know most of the characters far less. Why? Because while they may not pair up with or use all of their characters in battle, they can invite any character to their home and play this mode with them.

Every character has their own mannerisms and reactions based on their personality and relation to your avatar character—for example, your husband/wife is going to obviously be more intimate with you than other characters. You can use the feature with your children, and it becomes more of a motherly/fatherly type of thing. Other characters that you're not married to can still show affection, but it's not the same type of affection that's shown with your husband/wife. Characters can even show resistance and refuse to be touched. (And for those unaware, the touching is also limited to just the head and shoulders; it's not like you're touching all over their body.) It's a great way to form deeper connections with these characters and get to know them better, or at all if you're not even using them in battle.

I personally don't find anything "creepy" (a term that's misused and thrown around far too much) about it at all, though I understand that it's common for others to think that way about stuff like this, but I'm sure most of the people complaining about it haven't played it themselves or even watched more than a few seconds of it on YouTube, so they probably don't have an accurate understanding of what it is. Even so, it's an entirely optional feature that both affects gameplay (giving you stat bonuses with characters outside of battle) and enjoyment (getting to know your characters better and, for some people, giving more options for connecting with same-sex characters), and to want it gone just because you don't like it is rather ignorant and mean-spirited, in my opinion.

Whether or not its removal will make the game "better" is entirely subjective. Ultimately, it's removing optional content that plenty of people were really looking forward to, and that's not a good thing in my book. It's not like it's just altering something slightly like many other localization/censorship changes, this is entirely scrapping a feature that can add a lot to the game for many people.

So....this mini game is a significant gameplay mode that has a large impact on the character interactions within the game? Then Nintendo really did a bad job showing this off to the public. If they presented what you described, people wouldn't have called it 'disgusting', 'gross', or 'horrid'. Now major gameplay is cut from the game and after reading your post, its gameplay that was not offensive.

Not getting this at launch anyway (still have to play Awakening), so very interested in seeing how the localized version deals with the cut character interactions.

That was a very informative and strong post, so thank you for sharing this with us all :).
 
Ahh, I've been busy so I haven't been able to keep up with this thread!

Anyway, a friend of mine came over last night with their Japanese copy of Fire Emblem If/Fates (coincidentally, it's the very same person who posted the videos that people are sharing in this thread) so that I could try it out for myself. I've watched them play it before, but I hadn't actually played it myself yet. It didn't really change my opinion of the feature much (but I already had a pretty good understanding of it prior, anyway), but my friend did mention some things that I hadn't even considered.

My friend has played through both Birthright and Conquest (and part of Revelation), and they've said that interestingly, they've gotten to know many characters entirely through this touching feature, and without it they'd know most of the characters far less. Why? Because while they may not pair up with or use all of their characters in battle, they can invite any character to their home and play this mode with them.

Every character has their own mannerisms and reactions based on their personality and relation to your avatar character—for example, your husband/wife is going to obviously be more intimate with you than other characters. You can use the feature with your children, and it becomes more of a motherly/fatherly type of thing. Other characters that you're not married to can still show affection, but it's not the same type of affection that's shown with your husband/wife. Characters can even show resistance and refuse to be touched. (And for those unaware, the touching is also limited to just the head and shoulders; it's not like you're touching all over their body.) It's a great way to form deeper connections with these characters and get to know them better, or at all if you're not even using them in battle.

Regarding the bold, you can scroll down to view the characters torso, even keep rubbing if you like, it just doesn't have any effect on the build up of affection below the shoulders.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
While Kotaku can sometimes have innacurate information, they're probably right. That e-mail was a good response, but it was a PR one. We know they haven't officially announced the removal of the feature as of this moment in time.
 

RM8

Member
Lol, I'd be so salty if it wasn't removed after all.

And please don't see that as me being selfish - I don't mind when people celebrate that there are more and more of these elements in FE, it's okay to be happy when a product is more like what you want it to be.
 
While I can understand people's reactions to this, I have a different opinion about it.

The big problem I have with censorship/censoring is that I think that what people want and are offended by varies from person to person. I think that people have a right to say 'I'm not interested in that thing, and therefore I will not buy it'. Dollar diplomacy, I totally understand and support that. If solicited, I think that it's entirely appropriate to go 'I am not interested in your game because of X reason'.

Since if you ask 10 people what they want out of a given thing you will very likely get 10 different answers (if not 11), there is clearly no way to please everyone. Instead of judging who to please, the only way to be fair to everyone is to ignore all of them. Let the creator(s) make the experience they want to make, and then let people judge the full product.

(Neil Gaiman's blog post is excellent about this : Neil Gaiman's on 'Icky Speech'l )

I think what really gets under my skin about this is that the controversies surrounding this game were done like a twitter message. Instead of waiting until the entire thing was given context and a full impression (and enough room for a discussion), they just went with the first guy who translated it (apparently not that well) and ran with it.

Tyeforce's impression of the 'petting' system I appreciated, just because he sat down and actually looked at the whole thing. While I was never in favor of censoring the game in the first place, I was a little creeped out by the mode. But reading his impression of it (which wasn't entirely positive), it seemed to me to be silly and unnecessary, but kind of fitting for a game restyled to be full of characters who are walking anime tropes.

That said (since the content is pretty clearly getting the axe) I hope that Nintendo of America finds some way to incorporate the neat character vignettes, conversations, accessories, and support rank boosting that mode offered. FEA was full of characters I liked, and FEF looks to be the same, but I can only take so many on missions. The ability to find out more about the characters in the game is cool, and a way to do that without having to grind battles (particularly since there's an entire route where the grinding is disabled) would be nice.
 

ixix

Exists in a perpetual state of Quantum Crotch Uncertainty.
Huh. Even Nintendo refers to it as "the petting mini game."
 

RM8

Member
While I can understand people's reactions to this, I have a different opinion about it.

The big problem I have with censorship/censoring is that I think that what people want and are offended by varies from person to person. I think that people have a right to say 'I'm not interested in that thing, and therefore I will not buy it'. Dollar diplomacy, I totally understand and support that. If solicited, I think that it's entirely appropriate to go 'I am not interested in your game because of X reason'.

Since if you ask 10 people what they want out of a given thing you will very likely get 10 different answers (if not 11), there is clearly no way to please everyone. Instead of judging who to please, the only way to be fair to everyone is to ignore all of them. Let the creator(s) make the experience they want to make, and then let people judge the full product.
Well, for starters, I'd be super happy if QTEs were removed from countless games. Me being happy by the removal of this minigame is akin to that - the insistence that people who don't like X thing are offended is tiring and dimissive, man :( Second, it's a pretty common view, yet a very naive one, that game companies do "what they want to make" - especially huge companies like Nintendo. See, I don't even have to mention other series to make a comparison, Fire Emblem would not exist anymore if the last game had sold less than 250k copies. Basically, what Intelligent Systems wants to make is irrelevant. Just wait and see them never "wanting" to make a Code Name STEAM game again (which is a huge shame BTW). So no, Nintendo will make sure their product is palatable to the widest audience possible, within the realms of what they can do. They have always done that and they'll not stop now.
 
While Kotaku can sometimes have innacurate information, they're probably right. That e-mail was a good response, but it was a PR one. We know they haven't officially announced the removal of the feature as of this moment in time.

I don't think they would've stated it was removed anyway unless they were asked about it. We probably would've just found out eventually.

I mean we primarily found out about the other stuff because of reporters being on the case about it.
 
While I can understand people's reactions to this, I have a different opinion about it.

The big problem I have with censorship/censoring is that I think that what people want and are offended by varies from person to person. I think that people have a right to say 'I'm not interested in that thing, and therefore I will not buy it'. Dollar diplomacy, I totally understand and support that. If solicited, I think that it's entirely appropriate to go 'I am not interested in your game because of X reason'.

Since if you ask 10 people what they want out of a given thing you will very likely get 10 different answers (if not 11), there is clearly no way to please everyone. Instead of judging who to please, the only way to be fair to everyone is to ignore all of them. Let the creator(s) make the experience they want to make, and then let people judge the full product.

Well, that is what happened. Those who control the project decided that bit of content was not worthwhile or relevant to their audience.

I mean "creators" in this case is a huge team of developers, producers, QA, and executives, all offering up their concepts, ideas, and effort towards this single project. As I posted before, even the internal team had issues with the feature, according to a rough translation of the Making Of book. Essentially, take your "10 people" example there and move it inside the company. You'll find the same issues.

I think what really gets under my skin about this is that the controversies surrounding this game were done like a twitter message. Instead of waiting until the entire thing was given context and a full impression (and enough room for a discussion), they just went with the first guy who translated it (apparently not that well) and ran with it.

You have this impression that Nintendo looked at something here (article, video, etc) in the West and then decided to remove that content, when that's rather unlikely. This is where the arguments breaks down sometimes: the idea that changes are happening because the press or some people on a forum saw something, gave their opinion and the publisher/developer ran away.

Like the previous cuts to Fatal Frame V and Xenoblade Chronicles X, this seems to largely be a choice by Nintendo of America.

That said (since the content is pretty clearly getting the axe) I hope that Nintendo of America finds some way to incorporate the neat character vignettes, conversations, accessories, and support rank boosting that mode offered. FEA was full of characters I liked, and FEF looks to be the same, but I can only take so many on missions. The ability to find out more about the characters in the game is cool, and a way to do that without having to grind battles (particularly since there's an entire route where the grinding is disabled) would be nice.

I hope they do as well.
 

Eila

Member
Why would the customer service guy know anything? He's just there to copy paste responses at a very slow pace. Heck, they are probably contracted by NoA, and not part of the company.
I believe Kotaku more than Woolslayer, but it would be funny if they were wrong.
 

chaosblade

Unconfirmed Member
After this thread I'd be disappointed if it were still in.

I don't feel like that customer service response really means anything though, it just says they haven't announced anything and that it may or may not happen.
 

GamerJM

Banned
It should be included to punish people who 100% a game

"How did you complete the game?"

"I rubbed everyone."

I actually had to do this to get the Project Diva plat. It was weird. I wouldn't have touched that portion of the game otherwise.
The rock/paper/scissors sub minigame within the petting minigame was oddly enjoyable.
 

Xenoflare

Member
As long as we get a replacement feature I'll be fine.

It's a shame though, while I'm iffy about the concept of this mini game itself, but the character models are very nicely rendered for it.
 
So it still might be there?
Oh man please be true. It would make everything hilarious

Something was cut. I'm a lot less convinced of the infinite wisdom of companies/marketing than seems to generally be the case on this board but even I don't think a company is going to announce a feature was removed, when it wasn't. If anything they usually completely omit such announcements and people only find out post release after they've got the money of anyone who might object. Companies can be ridiculously inward focused (like the original Xbox One plan) or super cautious (Nintendo) but they aren't knuckling dragging morons.
 

Tohsaka

Member
Something was cut. I'm a lot less convinced of the infinite wisdom of companies/marketing than seems to generally be the case on this board but even I don't think a company is going to announce a feature was removed, when it wasn't. If anything they usually completely omit such announcements and people only find out post release after they've got the money of anyone who might object. Companies can be ridiculously inward focused (like the original Xbox One plan) or super cautious (Nintendo) but they aren't knuckling dragging morons.

It's mostly just Nintendo that does this, really. When NISA censored Criminal Girls and Mugen Souls, they announced it beforehand. Same thing with Atlus and Dungeon Travelers 2.
 

Tyeforce

Member
So....this mini game is a significant gameplay mode that has a large impact on the character interactions within the game? Then Nintendo really did a bad job showing this off to the public. If they presented what you described, people wouldn't have called it 'disgusting', 'gross', or 'horrid'. Now major gameplay is cut from the game and after reading your post, its gameplay that was not offensive.

Not getting this at launch anyway (still have to play Awakening), so very interested in seeing how the localized version deals with the cut character interactions.

That was a very informative and strong post, so thank you for sharing this with us all :).
I wouldn't exactly call it "major" gameplay, as it's still very much a side thing (hence it can be easily ignored for those that don't care about it), but it's definitely something that can add another layer of depth to the game and its characters and I believe it's a pretty great feature (plus those models, they look amazing!). My friend who's played through the game has said that they'd definitely feel like they were missing out on stuff if the feature wasn't available to them after having experienced it all firsthand. And yes, there's really nothing about it that warrants the descriptions of "disgusting," "gross," or "horrid," etc. Sure, it might be a bit suggestive for the more intimate relationships, but there's nothing that could really be considered inappropriate. The whole "petting" thing may be a weird concept to many people, and I understand that, but it's not inappropriate or "creepy." If anything I'd call it cute, but many people seem to equate "cute" with "creepy" anyway.

Regarding the bold, you can scroll down to view the characters torso, even keep rubbing if you like, it just doesn't have any effect on the build up of affection below the shoulders.
Yes, this is true. However it only goes down to the torso, as you said, and touching the screen won't do anything for you that low. Not only does it not affect the build up of affection, it won't even create the touching visual effects on screen or anything. And it's not like the characters are half naked, either; they're all clothed (though some have bits of their chests showing).
 

RM8

Member
And yes, there's really nothing about it that warrants the descriptions of "disgusting," "gross," or "horrid," etc.
That's because fanservice is often shielded from criticism for some reason. People say all the time "this is gross, this is disgusting" about gaming-related stuff and it's never met with so much defensiveness. Mobile games? QTEs? Westernized Japanese games? "Disgusting" and "gross" are tame adjectives compared to what people say about those things - but that's okay, since it's fine to dislike those things. But the moment you say "this instance of fanservice is gross", then you're an overly offended American prude and you should get over your sensitiveness.
 

Nightbird

Member
That's because fanservice is often shielded from criticism for some reason. People say all the time "this is gross, this is disgusting" about gaming-related stuff and it's never met with so much defensiveness. Mobile games? QTEs? Westernized Japanese games? "Disgusting" and "gross" are tame adjectives compared to what people say about those things - but that's okay, since it's fine to dislike those things. But the moment you say "this instance of fanservice is gross", then you're an overly offended American prude and you should get over your sensitiveness.

But what exactly is gross about it? I honestly fail to see how it is supposed to be creepy fanservice stuff.
All the suggestive stuff lies in the Dialogue, which can be altered easily, and it's not like it's a feature that only works on characters from a different gender.
 
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