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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources

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Griss

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It would be funny if, after all the speculation having coalesced into this dual-machine / unified OS theory, Nintendo just announced a plain old handheld.

Obviously everything they've said points the other way, but what if it was too hard and at some stage they just said 'fuck it, let's do it the old way'.

What if we get a Vita level console for $300? I mean, it's Nintendo, the potential for underwhelm-ment and meltdown is almost unlimited. I think we need to keep the worst-possible scenario in our heads and not run away with a bunch of fantasies, lest we be disappointed when Nintendo comes out with something that's merely 'great' rather than 'exactly what we wanted and expected'.

Just trying to keep my hype in check here - I'm as much a believer of the dual-console theory as anyone.
 

marmoka

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How about some new information at the Game Developers Conference?

I guess this will be a private conference only for third parties. Perhaps we would know something from discrete declarations from them, or WSJ.
 
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Rösti

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Where is the briefing going to be held? I remember seeing images of a large, snazzy place, but I think I later saw that place was refuted.....
It was first announced for Hotel New Otani Tokyo, but Dr. Toto later said the briefing would be held in Osaka. It might be a misunderstanding, as the news conference (not the briefing) was held at the Osaka Stock Exchange. But we'll see what happens, I doubt it'll be in Tokyo though.
 

Eradicate

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Rösti;194036993 said:
I posted some photos from the Third-Quarter Earnings News Conference (not the briefing) in the earnings thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=194036861&postcount=505

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That monogrammed shirt!

(Great find Rösti!)

The had a patent for eye-tracking last year that included an AR helmet and glasses and presumably turned a 2D screen into 3D.

Hmm...I wonder if they could use smartphone cameras (or a camera built into the handheld) in such a way to do something similar with the console? Seems out there and I'm not sure what the full uses would be, but that is interesting about the eye-tracking.

Synergy does seem to be the name of the game for new Nintendo

I actually pretty excited to see what their new gameplan is in its entirety

So many options to tie their ecosystem together in compelling fashion

That's the exciting thing for me too! I'm assuming that nearly everything they do from here on will tie together with their other products in some way. Even if the smartphone aspect is just little side games to go along with your main one (like Dreamcast's VMU) that'd be neat enough to start with to me.

How about some new information at the Game Developers Conference?

I guess this will be a private conference only for third parties. Perhaps we would know something from discrete declarations from them, or WSJ.

Hopefully there will be some new beans coming out then!
 

jahasaja

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Right. If Nintendo never dropped the NX name and we were hearing rumours that Nintendo was working on a next gen version of their hardware we wouldn't be doing this because it would be unofficial and just assume "well yeah everyone works on successors". But Nintendo shot themselves in the foot when they announced the NX and now it's building mass hype and hysteria despite them not saying anything yet.

It'll create unrealistic expectations for E3 if they wait that long.

Explain to me how this is a bad thing?
 

MoonFrog

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It would be funny if, after all the speculation having coalesced into this dual-machine / unified OS theory, Nintendo just announced a plain old handheld.

Obviously everything they've said points the other way, but what if it was too hard and at some stage they just said 'fuck it, let's do it the old way'.

What if we get a Vita level console for $300? I mean, it's Nintendo, the potential for underwhelm-ment and meltdown is almost unlimited. I think we need to keep the worst-possible scenario in our heads and not run away with a bunch of fantasies, lest we be disappointed when Nintendo comes out with something that's merely 'great' rather than 'exactly what we wanted and expected'.

Just trying to keep my hype in check here - I'm as much a believer of the dual-console theory as anyone.

Hmmm...If it were just a standard home console and TEPD is, indeed, preparing a new 3D Mario for 2016--I wouldn't be disappointed. If it is just a standard handheld and that Mario is instead of '3D World,' '3D Land,' I'd be somewhat disappointed.

That said, while I'm not entirely sure the 'shared platform, two devices' will lead to much more than somewhat better sales and better customer satisfaction, I do really want Nintendo to do something bold and attempt to find a solution for getting somewhat beyond the corner they have found themselves in with Wii U/3DS. Basically, I'd love proof of the future but as a gamer 'more-of-the-same' wouldn't be too bad.

IDK the bigger Nintendo's future the bigger chance we have of a wealth of new and returning content. I want a new Nintendo golden age as much as the next gamer (well those that aren't anti-fans, of which Nintendo has plenty, or indifferent). So it is a big concern of mine, but in the short term I'd be able to settle for just simple refreshes.
 

jahasaja

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Because they can likely never live up to the hype. But that said, the hype that's built is only among us nerds. Most people have no idea about it, and won't care anyway.
I am not sure hype can be a bad thing in this case.

The nerds who visit this thread will probably buy it regardless.

Right now the NX has buzz without nintendo lifting a finger. You never know what they will do which makes it so exciting.
 
Its interesting

Its a combination of the rumors along with what Nintendo has done during this end of life period of WiiU/3DS

If they can get some competent Hardware, OS, and Ecosystem built on solid ground...

they are golden... because I already love the games and recent DLC support

They just need to get them in a less infuriating package.
 

Pokemaniac

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I was wondering about two things, not sure if someone has brought it up.
First of all, would it be possible and feasible to downport multiplatform console games to the NX handheld? If the handheld supported UE4 (or at least the mobile version) could one port it to the console NX and transfer the assets to the portable downgrading them to run well enough?
For example, take DQ 11. If the port to NX does happen, I'd imagine SE would love for it to be on the portable as well.
Being turn based you wouldn't need it to run particularly well.
Would be interesting to see them try it. Would likely be more successful than their Hyrule Warriors attempt.
My second topic is the possibility of 3DS emulation on the NX. I don't think BC will return for either device, Nintendo likely leveraging the Wii U's library via remasters, but I'm not sure about the 3DS's I'm not sure. There are a lot of 3DS games and I'm not sure most of them are worthy of a full remaster or a retail re-release.
So I wonder if 3DS BC is possible. I think it could work, not sure if emulating 3DS would be more intensive than GCN, but it seems doable on the console at least.
Though I'd like to see it perform at a higher resolution and I think a lot of people would be willing to double dip, they didn't do anything like that for DS or N64 so I'm not too sure they will.
I believe this would be the best way to leverage the 3DS's large library.

Regarding running console multiplats on the handheld, it's really a case by case thing. Different games have different needs. If stuff is constrained by RAM or CPU, then scaling it down could be difficult. Probably something like Dragon Quest would scale pretty easily, but something like Assassin's Creed probably wouldn't scale that well.

3DS BC was being discussed a little bit ago. The main issue with that would actually be the weird GPU, since pretty much any major ARM CPU would be essentially binary compatible with 3DS software. Nintendo could actually implement BC relatively easily through a software layer similar to Windows's WoW64.

Also, this is just personal opinion, but I don't think that it's particularly likely we'll get any significant amount of Wii U "remasters" (really don't like that term, they're just ports).
 
Because it won't live up to the hype. It'll inevitably disappoint people because the speculation and rumours have gone on so long.

Ill personally be happy if the hardware comes close to some kind of standard delivery of features

Tired of compromises at this point
 

Eradicate

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Rösti;194044991 said:
Hopefully. Mochizuki indicated he will be live tweeting from the briefing.

Thank you for sharing! I had no idea anyone was planning on doing something like this. Mr. Mochizuki has been a real asset lately. Someone should tweet him and ask where in the world the briefing actually taking place at!
 
Also, this is just personal opinion, but I don't think that it's particularly likely we'll get any significant amount of Wii U "remasters" (really don't like that term, they're just ports).
Besides Smash and maybe Zelda or Splatoon, I think we'll get more Gamecube "remasters" on NX. That's just me being wishful, though. We had Super Mario Sunshine HD rumors that never amounted to anything and I think there's no better time than now. Also can you imagine Sunshine HD crossbuy and being able to play it on the go?
 

Oersted

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Because it won't live up to the hype. It'll inevitably disappoint people because the speculation and rumours have gone on so long.

Are the expectations really concrete enough to be disappointed? Its not like anyone expects NX ten times more powerful than PS4 and than they reveal something less powerful than OG Gameboy.
 
Are the expectations really concrete enough to be disappointed? Its not like anyone expects NX ten times more powerful than PS4 and than they reveal something less powerful than OG Gameboy.

Well its not going to take much to outdo 3DS

And Vita isnt getting a successor soo..... Its up to you Nintendo

Wouldnt mind having the next great powerful handheld if they indeed make something worth its salt
 
Regarding running console multiplats on the handheld, it's really a case by case thing. Different games have different needs. If stuff is constrained by RAM or CPU, then scaling it down could be difficult. Probably something like Dragon Quest would scale pretty easily, but something like Assassin's Creed probably wouldn't scale that well.

3DS BC was being discussed a little bit ago. The main issue with that would actually be the weird GPU, since pretty much any major ARM CPU would be essentially binary compatible with 3DS software. Nintendo could actually implement BC relatively easily through a software layer similar to Windows's WoW64.

Also, this is just personal opinion, but I don't think that it's particularly likely we'll get any significant amount of Wii U "remasters" (really don't like that term, they're just ports).
I'm not that tech savvy but I wonder if Nintendo does a cloud/streaming service for their VC titles. I feel that may be the best way for Nintendo to overcome hardware issues that may get in the way of offering full BC. However, I'm not that knowledgeable on this subject.
 

maxcriden

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I think things are getting confused. At the end of the meeting there seems to have been a brief Q&A period but NOT the full briefing + Q&A period happening later.

(It's easy to get confused when your dealing with things happening across the world! I had to check in on that myself.)

Ah! Gotcha, thanks. I appreciate the clarification. ☺

It always takes a couple of days. Friday is a good estimate.

That post was actually about the brief Q&A after the meeting, as Eradicate clarified above, rather than the Q&A that will take place in 6.5 hours.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
Personally, I think most people will only be disappointed if the games are not good enough.

Additionally, I'd also be disappointed if the device comes with some gimmick that I'd find annoying and cannot ignore, or that impacts the device's price so much that it necessarily compromises the quality of the display or the hardware. Apart from that, the device's performance specs are not really that interesting to me.

My hopes are basically (1) an online/license infrastructure worthy of 2016 and (2) no shitty annoying gimmick. I can probably live with anything else.
 

Pokemaniac

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I'm not that tech savvy but I wonder if Nintendo does a cloud/streaming service for their VC titles. I feel that may be the best way for Nintendo to overcome hardware issues that may get in the way of offering full BC. However, I'm not that knowledgeable on this subject.

Providing BC through cloud is kind of a last resort thing. It's not a particularly great arrangement for any party involved. I think the closest thing we might get is an SCD based on the Wii U chipset.
 

10k

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Are the expectations really concrete enough to be disappointed? Its not like anyone expects NX ten times more powerful than PS4 and than they reveal something less powerful than OG Gameboy.
No they expect OS, features, third party support and power equivalent to the Xbox or PS.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
I'm not that tech savvy but I wonder if Nintendo does a cloud/streaming service for their VC titles. I feel that may be the best way for Nintendo to overcome hardware issues that may get in the way of offering full BC. However, I'm not that knowledgeable on this subject.

Looking at Nintendo's achievements in the area of online services, they should really not jump from a pile of burning garbage to cloud-based game streaming.
 

Oersted

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Well its not going to take much to outdo 3DS

And Vita isnt getting a successor soo..... Its up to you Nintendo

Wouldnt mind having the next great powerful handheld if they indeed make something worth its salt

That wasn't really my point. My point was are the expectations concrete enough for disappointment.

No they expect OS, features, third party support and power equivalent to the Xbox or PS.

Who?
 
No they expect OS, features, third party support and power equivalent to the Xbox or PS.

Well Nintendo itself has already said

- Unified Architecture going forward - Good news

- Unified and Simple Account System - Thank you

- Leading Chipsets - Very vague. Temper expectations since cost is a huge factor

- Rumored to have standard storage options (500GB)

That alone is already kind of a relief for Nintendo fans right there.... Not that they wont still find something to be disappointed by

That wasn't really my point. My point was are the expectations concrete enough for disappointment.



Who?

Oh

No I would say the concrete info we do have should be grounds for excitement
 

Oersted

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Well Nintendo itself has already said

- Unified Architecture going forward - Good news

- Unified and Simple Account System - Thank you

- Leading Chipsets - Very vague. Temper expectations since cost is a huge factor

- Rumored to have standard storage options (500GB)

That alone is already kind of a relief for Nintendo fans right there.... Not that they wont still find something to be disappointed by

- Yes

- Yes

-Wall Street Journal, not Nintendo

- What?
 

Peru

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I feel like I should ban myself from following NX threads that are not new pieces of news. I get caught up in discussing the same things and I feel like I've made the same points so many times.

The big thing that will make me happy with the NX (as a big devotee of dedicated handhelds) is simply dual analogue controls w buttons of some sort, 540p + and decent graphics. That's all I really need.
 

TheJoRu

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"So can we count on a new Metroid for NX as part of Metroid's 30th Anniversary?"

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...

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"(thinking) Wait, it's Metroid's 30th Anniversary?"
 
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