War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The clue here is that it was told to him by his agent.
Heinlein's politics seemed all over the place to me. Future History Venus is like a solid kick in the shins for liberterianism, and several of his books have the protagonist end up in some kind of free love hippie commune.Robert Heinlein seemed to do pretty well for himself. Though he may be a bit more libertarian, it's close enough for me to be an example.
Well, yes, the Nazi state would probably tell its single approved publishing house what to publish and not publish.Big corporation deciding that book from well reviewed and sold author should not be published because of their political views is what would happen in dystopian future if nazi germany won. It should not happen today.
Not necessarily unlibertarian as long as they're all there voluntarily.and several of his books have the protagonist end up in some kind of free love hippie commune.
Heinlein's politics seemed all over the place to me. Future History Venus is like a solid kick in the shins for liberterianism, and several of his books have the protagonist end up in some kind of free love hippie commune.
I feel like getting a copy of Soda Pop Soldier to give him some support (the sci-fi topic interest me too), but it will give money to Harper Collins?
Does he have any self published stuff?
You understand Harper Collins is a private company right? much like getting banned on GAF isn't a violation of your freedom of speech, HC deciding they don't want to publish your book isn't a violation of your free speech. You sound like the author.Of course they do... and they get published. I have read so many sci-fi books and to get book censored due to what is described there is outrageous. Looking over his amazon reviews, which are very positive, nobody brought politics into it. And this was months ago before censorship was known about. It is also true for his other numerous zombie-apocalypse books rated well on Amazon where i could not see anyone writing anything about politics. So his books are not political.
Big corporation deciding that book from well reviewed and sold author should not be published because of their political views is what would happen in dystopian future if nazi germany won. It should not happen today.
People arguing for political censorship in sci-fi is just awesome. I thought we are much better than that in 2016.
Kick it down a couple of notches.
This guy is clearly self-aggrandizing and picks a false narrative - that he knows will appeal to a certain conservative market - and takes it to an extreme. His freedom of speech is not being infringed; he got dumped by a publisher because his writing is either not very good, or not marketable to them, or both.
problem with that is that:
a. His books get great reviews from readers on Amazon
b. His books are top sellers on Amazon.
According to Amazon, he is #17 best selling author on Amazon in Kindle> Sci-Fi and #27 best author on Books> Sci-Fi. His book reviews are all between 4 and 5 stars which is as good as it gets.
So people are buying his books and rating them really well. I cant see anywhere anyone mentioning anything about politics so they are not buying them because they are right wing crazies and his ideas of zombie infested future are the right kind.
Now I assume that a reason you are agreeing with the corporate publisher is because you agree with their politics. But thats just wrong.
I am pro-choice in everything. I have voted so many times. I would have the same problem if they decided to drop a book because of its pro-choice plot, and I guess so would you?
problem with that is that:
a. His books get great reviews from readers on Amazon
b. His books are top sellers on Amazon.
According to Amazon, he is #17 best selling author on Amazon in Kindle> Sci-Fi and #27 best author on Books> Sci-Fi. His book reviews are all between 4 and 5 stars which is as good as it gets.
So people are buying his books and rating them really well. I cant see anywhere anyone mentioning anything about politics so they are not buying them because they are right wing crazies and his ideas of zombie infested future are the right kind.
Now I assume that a reason you are agreeing with the corporate publisher is because you agree with their politics. But thats just wrong.
I am pro-choice in everything. I have voted so many times. I would have the same problem if they decided to drop a book because of its pro-choice plot, and I guess so would you?
I don't know or care about the author's politics, but that seems like a pretty standard sci-fi setup to me.
Seems like a bit of an editorial over-reaction to me.
The "censored" book and one I linked in the OP is "self-published" through Amazon. And maybe that post-apocalyptic one he mentioned is? I'm sure you can see the publishers for each on his Amazon page.I feel like getting a copy of Soda Pop Soldier to give him some support (the sci-fi topic interest me too), but it will give money to Harper Collins?
Does he have any self published stuff?
Shut it!
I don't think I've read that one, but as I recall those "hippie communes" show up to varying degrees in the The Cat that Walks Through Walls, The Door into Summer, Stranger in a Strange Land, and probably others I've forgotten. To me it always felt like a far more prevalent feature of his works than the focus on earning your rights in Starship Troopers.You know Time Enough for Love eh? lol. Great book.
I don't think I've read that one, but as I recall those "hippie communes" show up to varying degrees in the The Cat the Walks, The Door into Summer, Stranger in a Strange Land, and probably others I've forgotten. To me it always felt like a far more prevalent feature of his works than the focus on earning your rights in Starship Troopers.
I feel like getting a copy of Soda Pop Soldier to give him some support (the sci-fi topic interest me too), but it will give money to Harper Collins?
Does he have any self published stuff?
By the way, it's pretty funny how WASP conservatives are always the worst examples of outrage culture they complain about.
Heinlein's politics seemed all over the place to me. Future History Venus is like a solid kick in the shins for liberterianism, and several of his books have the protagonist end up in some kind of free love hippie commune.
I think it is awesome that people support corporations censoring silly sci-fi books due to politics. This is not a philosophical book, it is not about religion. It is a sci-fi book. There is nothing outrageous in there and there are thousands of other sci-fi books that are way more politically incorrect than this one.
I assume it is because it suits their political view. Lets now imagine a world where writes that support your view are censored. Is that fine? No, it is not.
Quickly glancing through his Amazon book list like you, he is really well reviewed and sells well. Corporation censoring him is wrong. There is no ifs and buts here.
Whats next, are we going to burn the ones that we dont like?
problem with that is that:
a. His books get great reviews from readers on Amazon
b. His books are top sellers on Amazon.
According to Amazon, he is #17 best selling author on Amazon in Kindle> Sci-Fi and #27 best author on Books> Sci-Fi. His book reviews are all between 4 and 5 stars which is as good as it gets.
So people are buying his books and rating them really well. I cant see anywhere anyone mentioning anything about politics so they are not buying them because they are right wing crazies and his ideas of zombie infested future are the right kind.
Now I assume that a reason you are agreeing with the corporate publisher is because you agree with their politics. But thats just wrong.
I am pro-choice in everything. I have voted so many times. I would have the same problem if they decided to drop a book because of its pro-choice plot, and I guess so would you?
I was gonna say something about the topic but then I went to the author's site and read how he describes his books. It's amazing.
Listen up, people. This dude is one part King, one part McCarthy and one part Hemingway.
Don't know if his story is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. The new authoritarian left has been pretty well documented by now. Back in the 80s, it was the right doing this sort of thing.
Got dropped like a rock by his publisher, and now working up sales for his self-published book. Since he states he didn't have a contract for the book, HarperCollins can say it wasn't a story worth pursuing and leave it at that; and that's most likely the truth. The blog post is proof enough why any publisher would drop him.
Don't know if his story is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. The new authoritarian left has been pretty well documented by now. Back in the 80s, it was the right doing this sort of thing.
The publisher is wrong, sounds like a perfectly credible Sci fi setup.
Edit: Why on earth is he a fuckface?
Of course they do... and they get published. I have read so many sci-fi books and to get book censored due to what is described there is outrageous. Looking over his amazon reviews, which are very positive, nobody brought politics into it. And this was months ago before censorship was known about. It is also true for his other numerous zombie-apocalypse books rated well on Amazon where i could not see anyone writing anything about politics. So his books are not political.
Big corporation deciding that book from well reviewed and sold author should not be published because of their political views is what would happen in dystopian future if nazi germany won. It should not happen today.
People arguing for political censorship in sci-fi is just awesome. I thought we are much better than that in 2016.
Yes, the publisher owned by Rupert Murdoch and with specific imprints for both conservative and Christian books is a fine example of some sort of imaginary authoritative left.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck?
Occam's Razor: His book sucks.
But it won't stop the feining of Oppression and Censorship. Modern conservatives love playing the victim card.
if his book sucks, why didnt the editor say so?
You live in a free-market capitalist society, the reason a private publisher doesn't publish a book is because they believe it will not sell. You cannot make comparisons to nazi Germany.
Also, he can just post it on the friggin' internet if he believes he's being unfairly censored.
well fine, if you just want to assume everyone is a liar, thats a great way to go through life.We have one super reliable witness for this whole thing, the famed author Nick Cole. Surely the Hemingway / Cormac McCarthy of our time wouldn't just make shit up.
Even if its an editor or certain publishing arm acting independently, that can still be an example of political interference.
if his book sucks, why didnt the editor say so?
Sounds pretty unusual how the editor handled this situation, not even telling him what happened.
I dont see the problem with the books premise, i've read much worse in a book before, and seen much worse in movies before.
well fine, if you just want to do a critical read on everything you see on the internet, thats a legitimately great way to go through life.
Correia debunks this left-wing nonsense:I really do love this thread. This is just an educated guess but based on what we've seen things went like this.
1. Terrible author couldn't sell his book to publisher, had to self-publish.
2. Terrible author invents a reason why they didn't buy the book because he doesn't want to say the actual reason (it sucks)
3. Makes an online post about how he's being oppressed by evil commies and spreads it to wingnut websites
4. Waits for people to buy his books just for 'support against the evil leftist machine'
5. Mild profits.
Since Im an author with GET PAID in my mission statement, I wouldnt blame him if it was, but I dont think so. That story is far too familiar, and I know too many other authors where similar things have happened. However, I warned Nick yesterday to get ready. This story appears to have gone viral. He is probably about to get slandered with every vile accusation imaginable by the CHORFs.
Weve seen repeatedly that any time an author breaks from the group think, theyre going to get slammed. If you say anything at all about the existing system, it is either a publicity stunt, or youre a delusional liar, or a bitter whiner with sour grapes. At no point in time does the idea that youre telling the truth as you perceive it actually ever enter into their narrative.
Yet you can tell the truth and get publicity. Once this story broke Nicks self pubbed version of this book went right to the top of the charts. Scaring off 50% of your audience? Nonsense. Hes sitting at #1 in like three genres right now. Like I said, the gatekeepers are crumbling. Their ignorance would be laughable if it hadnt already screwed over so many good authors.
Here is the beautiful part For decades the left held all the power. Readers are sick of their shit. The fact that standing up to them can actually be a sales boost demonstrates that their power is waning. You know why I talk about the size of my royalty checks? Because nothing pisses the bullies off more than being successful despite their best efforts to trash you.
Nick is getting publicity off of this? GOOD. That means creators no longer have to be beholden to the whims of every twenty something junior editor with a gender studies degree in Manhattan.
I'm keen to hear how you think he has misunderstood freedom of speech OP...
problem with that is that:
a. His books get great reviews from readers on Amazon
b. His books are top sellers on Amazon.
According to Amazon, he is #17 best selling author on Amazon in Kindle> Sci-Fi and #27 best author on Books> Sci-Fi. His book reviews are all between 4 and 5 stars which is as good as it gets.
I really do love this thread. This is just an educated guess but based on what we've seen things went like this.
1. Terrible author couldn't sell his book to publisher, had to self-publish.
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Correia debunks this left-wing nonsense:
But Harper Collins has already published books by him.
http://www.harpercollins.com/search-results?contributor=nick-cole
Why wouldn't they win tons of awards if not for a political conspiracy?!?Correia is a peddler of nonsense who created a martyrdom movement out of a idea that right wing authors are some sort of an oppressed minority because they don't get enough awards and not because some authors aren't just that great.