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Serkan Toto Rumor: Bandai Namco making several NX games, including a Smash for launch
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
2018 is so long time for us the Mario Kart GAF.
If the DLC did well for Nintendo, I could see the inclusion of more non Mario franchise characters but the "Mario Kart" name is probably too valuable to drop.
Exactly. That's why I'm not sure if we'll get a Nintendo Kart/Super Smash Kart game anytime soon.....at least in name. Mario Kart is too big as a franchise to drop.
Holiday would give it a much needed push for its second holiday.2018 is a long time.
I'm hoping for Holiday release on 2017.
DecoReturns
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Making a game from the ground up is not the same as modding.
Gamer @ Heart
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Do you know how game development works?
Because hiring a group of modders is not a solution
MrSaturn99
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Ain't gonna happen.
Sure. But I'd be willing to wait longer than get something rushed and unpolished.
2018 is a long time.
I'm hoping for Holiday release on 2017.
You're talking about the same company that "desperately" needed Mario Kart 8 for 2013's Holiday season and yet, they didn't have a problem waiting till May 30 of the next year to release it.
I'm sure it was worth the wait
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Sure. But I'd be willing to wait longer than get something rushed and unpolished.
You're talking about the same company that "desperately" needed Mario Kart 8 for 2013's Holiday season and yet, they didn't have a problem waiting till May 30 of the next year to release it.
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I'm sure it was worth the wait
I wouldn't dare to ask for rushed Mario Kart. I know they would deliver with whatever they could do. Just that I'm ready to move on with new game but I bet we would comment on how Mario Kart 8's item distribution is better.
It's not neccesary to drop Mario Kart title if they are going to do it. I'm sure that they probably find a way to associate it with the brand.
I wouldn't dare to ask for rushed Mario Kart. I know they would deliver with whatever they could do. Just that I'm ready to move on with new game but I bet we would comment on how Mario Kart 8's item distribution is better.
It's not neccesary to drop Mario Kart title if they are going to do it. I'm sure that they probably find a way to associate it with the brand.
You also need to consider the fact that Mario Kart 9 most likely will appear on both NX handheld and console so they'll need some extra time to get both versions going so who knows
As for the Smash Kart debacle, I honestly would rather them creating a new IP with all the Nintendo characters you want instead of turning Mario Kart into something completely different.
Take a Sonic & All Stars Racing approach with a new IP but leave the Mario Kart one alone.
Both can co-exist in the same ecosystem.
Like Shikamaru Ninja (or was it StreetsAhead?) said: it is bad enough they have different racing IPs under their arm (F Zero, Wave Race, Diddy Kong Racing etc)and yet, they seem to focus in Mario Kart only.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Quick note on this, Hideki Konno is the lead producer on the Mobile platform, the same way he was the lead producer on the 3DS platform. It just means he is in charge of some of the features built into the platform/account system. It's independent from the Production Group he manages (Mario Kart / Nintendogs).
The entire EPD Division is making NX and Mobile games.
Alright, thanks for the clarification.
Just for argument sake, in your opinion do you think the team (or especifically Yabuki) is already working on the next Mario Kart or maybe they'll give the Nintendogs another shot for the NX handheld?
I understand that you're uncertain about Sakurai's involvement and whether that will affect the chances of new characters. I'm not considering that because I think he's certainly involved. I don't take his "extended vacation" statement too seriously. He has often been coy about even the possibility of future smash games and he's certainly not going to leak a secret. If the new Smash game will be heavily based on Smash 4 it might be his easiest Smash project yet. I could imagine him taking a break while Namco/Bandai deals with programming tasks related to porting the Smash 4 engine.
If the purpose is to build hype near launch with Smash brothers they're not going to merely release Smash 4 again. The people who buy consoles early are the hardcore fans who probably already have Smash 4. They have to be given a reason to be excited. New characters are automatic Smash hype even if the game engine and mechanics remain the same. Nintendo and Sakurai know this. They'll not have a smash trailer accompanying a new console reveal without a new challenger appearing. Nope..can't see that.
Look at it this way, assuming Serkan Toto's information is true, we're not supposed to know about this. Imagine that during the NX reveal event less informed people (no negative connotation intended) see the Smash logo come up and think "New Smash!". Then they find out it's just Smash 4 and there isn't a single new character. That's anticlimactic, disappointing not exciting at all. Throw in Inklings or even Wolf or Ice Climbers and there will be a completely different reaction. If they intend for Smash to generate excitement and console sales, at least a single new character is a must.
I'm not a Dark Souls fan at all, but I wonder if they'll port any souls games over to NX. Perhaps DSIII GOTY edition or something.
I think we've gotten to the point in the industry where it's so expensive to make AAA games that you put it out on as many platforms as possible, and if the NX can run the game and use all the modern day engines, why the hell not?
Ditto for Tales. Baba may only like PlayStation but he's not the one footing the bill and taking the financial risk with these games. If the heads of the company want an NX and PC version, he's gotta deliver.
I think we've gotten to the point in the industry where it's so expensive to make AAA games that you put it out on as many platforms as possible, and if the NX can run the game and use all the modern day engines, why the hell not?
Ditto for Tales. Baba may only like PlayStation but he's not the one footing the bill and taking the financial risk with these games. If the heads of the company want an NX and PC version, he's gotta deliver.
It's also hard to hire a modder group that has also since disbanded.
That's not really an excuse though.
But have they tried before? Has there ever been that kind of game on the system before?
How can you have an audience when you don't provide the games? You can't expect Nintendo to make every type of genre to accommodate every possible 3rd party.
NinjaCoachZ
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I feel like that "no audience" comment was probably more a polite way of saying they didn't want to bother investing in all the R&D for a Wii U port considering how small the Wii U install base was at the time. DSII on Wii U would have been a niche among niches.
If NX is simple enough to port without too much effort there's really no reason not to have your game on as many platforms as possible, I would think. Just theoretically though. I don't think there's an actual anti-Nintendo ideology at From and regardless, a port might be Namco's call anyway.
Though then again, now that I think of it, have there ever been any From games on Nintendo systems? Just out of curiosity.
If NX is simple enough to port without too much effort there's really no reason not to have your game on as many platforms as possible, I would think. Just theoretically though. I don't think there's an actual anti-Nintendo ideology at From and regardless, a port might be Namco's call anyway.
Though then again, now that I think of it, have there ever been any From games on Nintendo systems? Just out of curiosity.
Only the two best. Lost Kingdoms and Lost Kingdoms 2.
They did a couple handheld games (a recent 3ds game monhun spinoff) and like 1 GameCube game.
Edit: or two I guess
Hero of Legend
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And Tenchu 4 on Wii, and also Cookie & Cream on DS.
NinjaCoachZ
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Never heard of Lost Kingdoms (don't kill me). Forgot about Cookie and Cream though! I knew they had something to do with Tenchu but wasn't sure if it was the Wii one.
If Smash Bros. is really going to be a launch title as he says then there's basically no way it's going to be a new game, and it being a port of 64, Melee, or Brawl is unlikely.
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Major third party publisher is making games for a console! News at 10.
It is major news given the history of Nintendo's lack of third party support since the Super Nintendo.
man i need a third game soo much fun
Spieler Eins
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balladofwindfishes
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Bayonetta 2? Hyrule Warriors? Monster Hunter? Smash Bros?
Literally no noteworthy 3rd party exclusive games.
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Deleted member 74300
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Not exclusive I know, but Tekken Tag 2 gets no love when it comes to 3rd party games.
Spieler Eins
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These are not 3rd party projects, except MH. (and barely noteworthy to begin with. Monster Hunter was old, a new Mosou game comes out every 3 months).
Bayonetta 2 is a third party project, the IP is owned by Sega.
balladofwindfishes
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You said literally no third party support. As in, absolutely no third party support exists at all. You never said new IPs. You never said they couldn't be mosou games, nor did you say they couldn't star Nintendo characters.
I named off four games made by third parties. And Showme then named off a fifth after my post.
You were wrong. You can hand wave third party games away as much as you want. It doesn't make you any less wrong in what you said.
Did Nintendo kill your family or what is your issue?
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Deleted member 74300
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A lot of people had their family killed by them didn't you know?
I'll get my revenge Sakurai and Miyamoto just you wait.
Spieler Eins
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Don't let me dig up all the Bayonetta 2 threads in which Wii U fans kept screaming how Bayonetta is a 1st party game. Wii U has no 3rd party games. Obviously not literally (please google ,,rhetorics"), since naturally there's shovelware still crawling somewhere in that library. And some outdated/bad ports in the first few months, which are, however, a non-factor when you talk about 3rd party support in the context of a platform like GAF. Hyrule Warriors and Smash are paid by Nintendo, they'll never come out on Sony platforms (in the foreseeable future). They are 1st party games.
Any Nintendo console before Wii U had real 3rd party support. Noteworthy games whose development was not entirely financed by Nintendo, but an actual 3rd party. With many good exclusives or timed exclusives. The prejudice of no 3rd party support was only transformed into reality by Iwata on Wii U (and god knows how anyone's able to pull of such a stunt coming from winning the previous generation).
Did I kill your family or what's your issue? God forbid someone says something as ,,outrageous" as Wii U not having 3rd party support (while actually defending previous Nintendo machines)...
balladofwindfishes
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Hyrule Warriors wasn't even published by Nintendo in Japan. Calling it 1st party because it uses Nintendo IP is a stretch.
Nothing about your post seemed rhetorical. Especially since the Wii U has more noteworthy third party games than the N64 ever had. It even more or less matches the Wii, with only the Game Cube having a stronger showing.
Nothing about your post seemed rhetorical. Especially since the Wii U has more noteworthy third party games than the N64 ever had. It even more or less matches the Wii, with only the Game Cube having a stronger showing.
If NX is a home console, the news is worth it exactly because of what you just wrote, isn't it?
I think it would be more accurate to say that third party bailed on Wii U faster than any other Nintendo platform. Also, many big players such as 2K, Rockstar, Bethesda etc were never on board to begin with. And, although Activision was there they didn't have Destiny and CoD was supported poorly. Ubisoft was the only one who was fully supporting (and to a lesser extent WB) and both essentially bailed after 6 months. EA was there only for show.
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Deleted member 74300
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Err as much as I agree with you about it having some 3rd party that's a bit much.
balladofwindfishes
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I have a hard time thinking of N64 third party games. Besides like Duke Nukem and Resident Evil ports. Which were good ports, but I don't think are as noteworthy as something like Bayonetta 2.
Basically the first year of AAA ports, a zillion LEGO titles, some Let's Dance/Guitar Hero, movie tie-in games, Minecraft, a really large list of indie titles, plus some other random 3rd party titles.
That first year of AAA ports didn't include many games that PS3/360 got. It was pretty embarrassing tbh.
balladofwindfishes
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What are some third party games on the N64?
Anyway, the Wii U has, off the top of my head
Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo funded/published)
Hyrule Warriors (Nintendo published outside of Japan)
Smash Bros (Third party developed, with input, funding and publishing from Nintendo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Pokken (Nintendo published?)
Monster Hunter 3
There's more I'm forgetting as well, a plenty that aren't exclusive (Batman, Mass Effect, Rayman, Shovel Knight)
The Wii U is also very indie friendly, which is in contrast to the Wii, where indies were frustrated with Nintendo's poor support for them.
On top of that, Nintendo has managed to secure some pretty unique and interesting crossovers between various Japanese third parties. The third party representation in Smash is unmatched, plus the tons of cameos of Sonic, Pac Man or Mega Man that have arisen due to amiibo.
Nintendo third party support on the Wii U is a little different than traditional third party support. It mostly focuses on letting third parties go in different directions with Nintendo IPs, or having them develop major titles (Smash, Star Fox, stuff like that). But will all of the cameos and uses of third party IP in basically every game Nintendo releases these days, it seems they have very strong relationships with most Japanese third parties, relationships that are much stronger than they had been in the past.
I thought the comparison was with the N64 or Wii or something?