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UFC 196 Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz |OT| Fook The Belt feat. Ninja Shit & Touch Butt
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Optimusdouche
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Stylistically, on paper it's a great fight for Conor, if you discount the size difference. At least in theory. Another boxer. But Conor did get too cocky and not consider the importance of the size difference.
I mean Conor was pretty much schooling him until one big punch made him do the dance. From there Diaz really started beating him.
It's easy to say now, but for the majority of the fight Conor was beating him. And did have Nates face in a mask of blood. And when the blood got bad, that's when Conor really started letting his chin hang and not protecting it all. Rewatch the fight. Conor really just got too confident and was not protecting himself because he thought he had Nate finished.
If Conor did get hit with that one punch, was protecting his chin, he probably would've won. But yea, Nate is just too big. 4 inches and 10 lbs is no joke.
I'd actually love to see a rematch, lol, but that is not likely to happen. Conor will lose some shine, but he'll remain a big star. Exciting promoter and a very very exciting fighter. Few people are as fun to watch fight, imo. Just that style of finishing people off with those straight lefts.
excelsiorlef
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Holm should have to wait till after Rousey vs Tate III.
LyleLanley
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I wonder how much fun this was?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I wonder how much fun this was?
Nate was the DJ.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I don't know whether or not this is a serious post....
Nobody wants to see Rousey vs Tate III though, except for Dana White because it pretty much guarantees Rousey gets the belt back.
But I guess a Holm vs Rousey rematch would be much more compelling if there was a belt on the line.
Nice little highlight reel that shows how Nate had him standing up and hurt him before he went for the take down out of panic, leading to his inevitable defeat anyway. Conor was gone before being choked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqp8f9Xws9s
Diaz was also leading the fightmetric as well:
http://fightmetric.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqp8f9Xws9s
Diaz was also leading the fightmetric as well:
http://fightmetric.com/
excelsiorlef
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Rousey deserves another shot at the title and since Holm didn't want to wait for the big pay day she shouldn't have to go through Holm to get it.
Holm took a risk and it backfired. She should definitely get the winner of Rousey vs Tate III though.
Yeah that was our exact take on the fight last night. Weird to see all the talk about fatigue and ground game (fight was totally done by the time it hit the ground -- going for the takedown there was effectively a tap) and not much attention paid to Conor's clowning, which was seemingly the most prominent factor in his demise. If it was Anderson Silva or a Diaz doing that, and losing like that, I guarantee the talk wouldd have been about the clowning.
Tesseract
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Nate's chin is like a diamond, and his endurance is some freaky ahit. The blood pouring down his face was just because he has scar tissue everywhere, had nothing to do with the power of conor. Nate was smiling as he took those cracks, shrugging them off like nothing.
Don't fuck with the Diaz brothers, they don't give a fuck.
Weed is life.
Don't fuck with the Diaz brothers, they don't give a fuck.
Weed is life.
I don't see how Rousey deserves a shot at the belt after being completely destroyed, but they know it's the money fight, and Rousey can walk through Tate's punches, has better grappling and more strength than Tate. Gives her a really favorable chance to get the belt back. Hopefully Tate spends some time getting more stronk while Rousey is mentally weak.
Lightning Count
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Been watching this on repeat for a while, it never gets old.
I do respect the hell out of Conor for his post-fight behaviour. No excuses, no bs, just straight up admitting defeat and not hiding.
Compared to Ronda, who disappeared for a long time and then did that Ellen thing to get sympathy, that at least is admirable.
Guy likes the showmanship and trash talking, but at least he was man enough to admit defeat.
Compared to Ronda, who disappeared for a long time and then did that Ellen thing to get sympathy, that at least is admirable.
Guy likes the showmanship and trash talking, but at least he was man enough to admit defeat.
Those shots Diaz was taking would've made anybody bleed, it just would'nt have started bleeding as quick. Connor was tagging the right side of his face and Nate got hurt by a couple of them. It was nothing like his fight vs Johnson where he would talk shit, drop his gloves and taunt after every punch Johnson landed.
Tesseract
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not very effectively, nate trains with people who bomb him every day
conor needs to seriously up his stamina, you know
ninja shit
Host Samurai
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Holm should fight Zingano for another shot at Tate. Tate should fight Nunes
Scar tissue is a real issue, so is his facial structure. Nick had surgery to repair scar tissue and the surgeon also filed down his brow so it wouldn't be as likely to get cut in the first place. Nate's definitely more likely to get cut up than most fighters. I'm not discrediting Conor's performance in the first round but the cut doesn't necessarily mean much.
GankzyMcfly
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lol you two have never seen a Diaz fight have you? The fight was over after the first 2min. Despite what you might think about a bloody face that fight was a Diaz fight stylistically from minute 1 until Conner got choked out. You cannot beat the Diaz brothers at their own game, watch nick vs bj pen and you learn why, the only people who win against them are the ones that aren't stupid enough to engage with them in a brawl. You may feel like your getting the better of them, but they quickly take you out into open waters that you've never explored. That's why conner went for the takedown despite him knowing it was suicide, he was panicking because he new diaz was just warming up while he on the other hand was gassing out. Nick Diaz called the fight, said it would be over in round 2 and that's all she wrote. Not to gloat, but I called Diaz by submission in this thread hours b4 the fight and what I saw is exactly what I expected.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Reminded me a bit of the McGregor/Mendes fight.
Conor was scoring and winning but blowing his load and Nate weathered the storm very nicely and had plenty of gas in the tank where Conor was at half empty.
Even the first shot that started it all looked like the shot that basically finished Chad.
And why should rousey get an immediate title shot?
I actually thought Conor did really good finding range and boxing with Diaz. He got tagged good and the fight was over.
So now do people really doubt Ronda could beat Holm? Tate isn't a world beater, but she knew enough not to chase Tate all night. Some of those rounds were sleep-inducing. Ronda just needs to stay away from Holly and commit to taking her to the ground. I think the same thing happened to Conor as did to Ronda. Both got tapped and it scrambled their circuits a bit, and killed their timing and balance.
Ronda is a world class grappler and submission artist, so I can see her making the adjustment. Conor's always going to have trouble with longer guys with great ground game. His biggest advantage was getting in people's heads. Ronda lost to Holm because Ronda got in her own head and thought she was a boxer.
I'm curious if the Conor/Nate fight would have gone different at 155. Seems like no, given that they would have just cut weight and ended up close to the same size anyway.
All-in-all a good night for fight fans.
So now do people really doubt Ronda could beat Holm? Tate isn't a world beater, but she knew enough not to chase Tate all night. Some of those rounds were sleep-inducing. Ronda just needs to stay away from Holly and commit to taking her to the ground. I think the same thing happened to Conor as did to Ronda. Both got tapped and it scrambled their circuits a bit, and killed their timing and balance.
Ronda is a world class grappler and submission artist, so I can see her making the adjustment. Conor's always going to have trouble with longer guys with great ground game. His biggest advantage was getting in people's heads. Ronda lost to Holm because Ronda got in her own head and thought she was a boxer.
I'm curious if the Conor/Nate fight would have gone different at 155. Seems like no, given that they would have just cut weight and ended up close to the same size anyway.
All-in-all a good night for fight fans.
Ninja Scooter
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she's the number 1 contender
Jest Chillin
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Stylistically, it wasn't a great fight for Conor (not bad but not great either) because Diaz has a very strong chin and a solid and slightly unorthodox striking style. Diaz BJJ is also better than anyone McGregor has faced so far. Most people picking McGregor in this fight were doing so off the back of Diaz only having a 2 week camp and having a few losses. But more importantly than Diaz having some losses is the fact that he's only been finished twice in 10+ years and only once was that a TKO (started by a kick that would've put most guys out cold). He's hard to knock out. And the vast majority of McGregor's wins come from early KO's.
This wasn't a guaranteed victory for Diaz at all but he always had a good shot at winning this fight, especially if it had gone to later rounds (McGregor has only gone to decision once and never been in championship rounds).
Rousey deserves the shot because she's ran that division since it's creation. Nobody in it has an answer for her Judo and the Holm fight was the result of her terrible decision to try not just to stand with a better striker but to blindly charge forward against a better striker. Tate's only shot at beating Rousey in a rematch is if Rousey effectively gets the yips as a result of the loss to Holm.
Yeah, that makes sense. Unless Rousey is completely mentally broken, she'll beat Tate again. Both Holm and Rousey are pretty one dimensional and Tate is pretty well rounded. It's a better match up for Tate to go against a great striker like Holm, than it is to go against a great wrestler like Rousey.
I think Holm could beat Tate in a rematch, but I don't think Tate will ever beat Rousey.
Rousey vs. Holm 2 is going to be HUGE.
I have her at 3.
Ignoring the fact she took Holm down and Holm got up, and Holm took her down too,
Ninja Scooter
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UFC has her at 1, and did before last night's fight, so it seems pretty easy for them to give her the shot.
excelsiorlef
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Tesseract
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it's fun watching a scrum stick to it and rise to the top
last night's summary:
Nate Diaz Stockton Slaps Conor McGregor at UFC 196
last night's summary:
Nate Diaz Stockton Slaps Conor McGregor at UFC 196
Jest Chillin
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Rousey had already been clocked a few times before that and she's only been hit that hard maybe once or twice in her entire career. You have to look at the entire flow of the fight and understand that just as some fighters can get beat up the whole fight and pull out a victory at the end, some fighters lose their focus and their performance tanks the once they face strong adversity. Overeem is like that. Pat Barry was like that. Uriah Hall struggles with that. Cerrone struggles with that. And that's exactly what happened with Rousey. It's why she got even more wild and sloppy as the fight went on.
Gold.
I really like the final duff to lock in the rear naked. He basically punched his head into position to get the arm under, haha.
RBelong2Us
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Holm has only looked legit in one of her 4 UFC fights . I thought the Rousey fight was her breakout, make her feel more comfortable to just make the rest of the division see how amateur their stand up is. Her striking by all means is far superior than any other chick in the UFC but she just isn't loose our there .
Disappointing
Disappointing
excelsiorlef
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She was next in line but Holm refused to wait.
Which was her prerogative but now she lost it, so she goes to behind Rousey.
Rousey put the division on the map. She's entitled to the next shot and she's actually the number 1 contender to boot
Maintenance
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OpinionatedCyborg
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Meh. You can't get beat that badly and not fight again for who knows how long and expect to get an immediate shot. She should have to go through Holme again and the winner of that fight gets the shot.
Ninja Scooter
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Jest Chillin
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By this logic Holm should've never gotten the shot at Rousey to begin with and now that she's lost, she should have to fight her way through the rest of the top 10 that she was leapfrogged over before getting another one.
Optimusdouche
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Well, they wouldn't let the fight continue if the blood got any worse. A bad cut over the eye is extremely dangerous. Can blind a fighter. I'm not saying Conor was about to KO Diaz. But a bad cut right there, is absolutely a fight ending cut. Doctor would've been within his rights to have stopped it in that 2nd. Not to mention the fact, Nate would not be able to see out of that eye for much longer, leaving him with half his vision for the fight.
But he it did look like he had him on the ropes with making his face a mask of blood. And after he opened the cut up further, Conor was just standing infront of Diaz way way too much. Closer to how a brawler would fight than a boxer. I mean, Nate has the height advantage, so Conor always had to close the distance, but for a lot of the 2nd Conor just had no defense, was really leaving his chin out there. I mean, that's just the game. The more aggressive you are, that can happen. But Conor just standing there, he got really cocky. Should've just kept slipping in and out while working that cut.
He fought Diaz like he was fighting a 145 guy, who can't really hurt him.
But, it was a single punch that changed the fight. That's it. Conor stepped into big shot, right on the chin. And on another note, chins can get very over rated. One of the reasons it seems Diaz has an iron chin is simply his style of fighting which is, he is always backing away. Looking to counter. This can work amazingly against a smaller guy like Conor.
But if you are always backing off, moving away, those punches don't hurt nearly nearly as much. It's the same in boxing, the guys with the best chins, tend to be the ones that are simply hard to hit cleanly. Nate is always moving away. If he stepped into a left hook from Conor and took it clean, he would be doing the booty dance, despite his bigger size. It's not the chin so much as the technique. But those were all half glancing.
excelsiorlef
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You never answered who you have at 2nd contender as I'm assuming you have Holm as #1
Look Holm could have rested up. Gone out and maybe killed Rousey again and made huge bank. She didn't and now she's lost that world killer allure.
No way should Rousey have to fight for her title shot just because Holm got choked out.
Holm didnt want to wait but well now she has to.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The logic is definitely fucked up.
I mean, Aldo will probably fight Conor next and he got smoked.
Just because you lose badly doesn't mean you get bumped down to like 6.
I really want it to be Edgar but I think Conor will fight Aldo next and be more comfortable doing so.
OpinionatedCyborg
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great angle of the finish: http://i.4cdn.org/sp/1457265476822.webm
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Surprised Mendez wasn't able to get the guillotine but Conor was slippery and maybe he's Guillotine-resistant.
It was at a weird angle to it seemed.
Plus, the weight class, etc...
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