Zalusithix
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Vive is DP or HDMI. Has ports for both on the breakout box.
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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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Vive is DP or HDMI. Has ports for both on the breakout box.
That's why i'm using the 3.5mm cables with a Y splitter for all of my audio in the remote room. Makes it so I just choose one audio device on my PC. I could put the audio through the USB for the headset (assuming it's USB audio and not through the HDMI cable) and use a program like Virtual Audio Cable to allow for two simultaneous audio devices so I can get audio out to the TV and speakers through that second HDMI cable as well, but I really don't like doing that. Does that make sense or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
forknknife
Banned
Hahaha amazingWell now we know who is pushing VR on us...
Zalusithix
Member
Speaking of cabling, I wonder if HTC could get a custom manufactured USB3.1 type C cable that can handle the bandwidth needs over the distances used by the Vive. It seems like the perfect single cable solution in that it would be able to carry Displayport video via Alternate Mode, a USB signal, and power on top of that.
UnrealEck
Member
I wish the Touch for the Rift was available at launch. It looks better than the Vive controller and would make me feel at ease with my Rift order. But since it's not, I keep questioning whether to go with the Vive instead.
Wonder how long Oculus will take to get the Touch ready for sale.
I trust Valve to support Rift on Steam pretty much as well as the Vive will be, with exception to things like settup through SteamVR of course.
I'm sure Valve is already working on a Portal VR game. I wonder how games will support both Vive and Touch controls.
Wonder how long Oculus will take to get the Touch ready for sale.
I trust Valve to support Rift on Steam pretty much as well as the Vive will be, with exception to things like settup through SteamVR of course.
I'm sure Valve is already working on a Portal VR game. I wonder how games will support both Vive and Touch controls.
Nabs
Member
Great video. The game looks great, and the interview was very informative.
Frozone
Member
I love those Rift controllers. I can wait.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
It's a shame, Oculus really ballsed up the touch launch, should have been day one no question.
metareferential
Member
From the other thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPKUO1yKAqY
Simulation of various objects in VR, most notably an AR15 rifle. Really great stuff.
Simulation of various objects in VR, most notably an AR15 rifle. Really great stuff.
jabberwocker
Banned
I honestly think we won't until cv2. I don't think touch was intended for cv1 tracking, even with an additional sensor. Also the lack of any type of room sensor for object collision is needed. We have already seen people hit stationary items with the rift just by standing.
artsi
Member
102 days until H2 begins, so in the best case the wait is not that long. I'm sure the controllers will be as good as the Vive wands functionally, and personally I like the compact form factor more.
Valve will most likely support Touch with all their games / experiences, they've talked about it and having chaperone for Rift / Touch too. And I don't see other developers missing the sales for Rift userbase either, which will be large.
Lucid Trips
Open world exploration without the use of teleportation or analog controls, using intuitive motion controls instead. Windlands was my favorite demo from the DK1/DK2 days, this looks like my next favorite.
Open world exploration without the use of teleportation or analog controls, using intuitive motion controls instead. Windlands was my favorite demo from the DK1/DK2 days, this looks like my next favorite.
UnrealEck
Member
That's pretty cool.
No doubt at some point we'll start seeing some rifle and pistol controllers.
Aye the chaperone system on the Vive is such an awesome idea. They were right to hold off and build it into their final consumer version. It's a pretty big advantage for the Vive.
I reckon Rift might be a larger userbase at least for a while. It crossed my mind whether the Touch will be eventually usable with the Vive too. That along with the Rift's lighter weight would be my ideal system.
I also read that the Touch will come with another tracking sensor but Palmer mentioned that would still be sitting on your desk. I figured it'd be one in front and one behind like the Vive's Lighthouse.
Man, I've had dreams before when I moved around just like that. Playing that game will probably be a trip.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/16/11242294/online-harassment-virtual-reality-gdc-2016
I'm sure this story has been picked up by people who are dead set against VR. The type of people who think VR is an inherently corporately manufactured (not really), anti-social (it isn't) murder simulator (it isn't) for white dudes (I hope it isn't). I mean 95% of content coming out for VR soon is by indie devs. A large portion of which isn't violent, and the stuff that is is against robots. This seems counter-intuitive but this medium is going to be as fucking mainstream as you can get in terms of appeal.
I'll ignore all that though since I think it's a valuable topic. Also I will ignore the weird possibly unethical "research" part of this for a moment. What does everyone think of this? It seems like a fairly simple problem to fix (toggle setting that allows "touching"), but will dev's bother? Especially at first. It would be nice to head this off. Perhaps Valve can just implement this into SteamVR. Ask the user if they are okay with users (friends versus strangers?) getting really close to them, touching etc. There will be similar concerns over accessibly options as well. Particularly with room scale. I would love people to get their hands dirty though. Seek to figure this out instead of ignoring it or just dismissing VR because of it. Dismissal probably won't even be possible in the long run. VR will be to prevalent. It will be like asking people who dislike some piece of content on a TV channel to just stop watching TV all together. This will have to be solved by developers or platform holders.
I'm sure this story has been picked up by people who are dead set against VR. The type of people who think VR is an inherently corporately manufactured (not really), anti-social (it isn't) murder simulator (it isn't) for white dudes (I hope it isn't). I mean 95% of content coming out for VR soon is by indie devs. A large portion of which isn't violent, and the stuff that is is against robots. This seems counter-intuitive but this medium is going to be as fucking mainstream as you can get in terms of appeal.
I'll ignore all that though since I think it's a valuable topic. Also I will ignore the weird possibly unethical "research" part of this for a moment. What does everyone think of this? It seems like a fairly simple problem to fix (toggle setting that allows "touching"), but will dev's bother? Especially at first. It would be nice to head this off. Perhaps Valve can just implement this into SteamVR. Ask the user if they are okay with users (friends versus strangers?) getting really close to them, touching etc. There will be similar concerns over accessibly options as well. Particularly with room scale. I would love people to get their hands dirty though. Seek to figure this out instead of ignoring it or just dismissing VR because of it. Dismissal probably won't even be possible in the long run. VR will be to prevalent. It will be like asking people who dislike some piece of content on a TV channel to just stop watching TV all together. This will have to be solved by developers or platform holders.
I dont really understand this as I've never used VR, but what does he mean by players can touch your chest and groin? If he means in a third person game, I thought that playing VR in third person makes it seem as if you're right next to the character you're controlling instead of it feeling like you are that character.
Catholic priest simulator?
In first person games where players can put their hands and arms "on" you. Granted you don't actually feel the touching right now (which I imagine is why people may not be thinking about it) but for some people who find VR incredibly immersive (those people who feel like they may fall when they stand on a cliff) someone coming up behind you and whispering in your ear or chasing you around and putting their avatars fingers on you in sexual ways will be particularly alarming. An example is a game like HoverJunkers. A lot of VR stuff is single player and body presence is not a big thing right so this may involve a lot of edge cases. All of this will advance rapidly though.
But if it's in first person, how would you even know if someone is touching you in any particular place at all? Especially because most of the VR FPS games I see you are just a head with floating arms with no body attached.
HoverJunkers has full body characters using inverse kinematics.
Ah. Seems like it would be pretty easy to implement the suggestions he made about giving players an option to make players invisible past a certain allowable range though. All depends on if devs consciously think about these things when making multiplayer focused games.
Dreamwriter
Member
Keep in mind that isn't any solution for VR sickness, that style of motion can make people just as sick as using a joypad if it involves turning the player without the player turning their body.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Yeahh, not sure if I agree with those research methods, kinda creepy they feel like they needed to do that to someone to show evidence of harassment effects in VR. I think just knowing there's online harassment, and when you put that together with voice chat (especially proximity based) with full body avatars and motion controls there's obv going to be potential for fuckery that can screw with people a lot moreso than non VR media. As others have reiterated, proximity based boundaries for non friends, toggles for such, and some standard muting of specific users will go a ways, though as the article says if those aren't implemented by the devs it could get rough.
That one guy who made the French apartment VR demo apparently did some more work and made another VR home for some other studio. You can download it here if you want to check it out yourself:
http://www.benoitdereau.com/Builds/Lucid_Arch_Dreams/LucidArchDreams1.1.exe
It's basically just something to slowly walk around and look at, but man it is gorgeous.
http://www.benoitdereau.com/Builds/Lucid_Arch_Dreams/LucidArchDreams1.1.exe
It's basically just something to slowly walk around and look at, but man it is gorgeous.
Would a 980ti get 90 frames on this in VR?
I was getting some weird judder with all the settings at max on my 980ti. I knocked everything except resolution scale down one notch from max and it was perfect, though obviously on DK2 I'm only needing to hit 75hz.
That's kind of strange. I just ran it maxed out at about 30 or so frames on a six year old GTX 590. I would have thought that a 980ti would have gotten a lot higher framerate and would have no issue maxing this out at 90 frames.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
Oh man thanks will grab this.
25 ft/7.6m is a fairly standard length for HDMI so 20 or 23 doesn't really matter and active USB tends to be 16/32 ft or 5m/10m lengths. Test it out for a while and see what you think about dragging it around and if you get tired of it, install them permanently. With the Rift DKs I would have to set it up each time and it was kind of annoying after a while.
I have an attic so I'm going to run the cables through there (about 30 feet with active cables) and just put a wallplate in the wall with HDMI and usb that I can plug the headset into when I want to use it and have the lighthouse boxes permanently mounted on the ceiling. Seems like the least amount of hassle when I want to use the headset, but won't leave any wires showing. My pc is in a media closet with HDMI through my receiver to a tv and projector, so I picked up a DisplayPort adapter for the Vive. I have all the stuff now I just need to actually do it before the headset gets here.
Turin Turambar
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Dev spilling the beans on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4b3j70/ready_for_some_bean_spillage_i_work_closely_with/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/4b3j70/ready_for_some_bean_spillage_i_work_closely_with/
SDK changes are minor things but the interface went through a lot of changes since they first showed it off to developers. It's now a zen garden with floating, windows modern ui looking icons. there are multiple aspect ratios for these icons available depending on where they are displayed and you can use different artwork for all of them if you want.
/u/evil-doer Since it's show; don't tell: These are pictures of the rift's interface and the current health and safety screen. I took them a while ago but they didn't change anything visually since then.
Apartment sizes need to improve
The pressure to make a roomscale game also work just standing and turning on both the Rift and Vive to maximize the potential audience feels like a slight bottleneck to creativity. my team is not working on a game with tracked controllers but our coworkers are and it's a bit depressing to see how many steps back they took from the original idea once they realized that most people are not ready or capable to dedicate a 3.5x3.5m or even 2x2m space in their home to VR.
After gdc i would hate to be a future oculus buyer. Showcase looked very disappointing. They clearly had no plans to support roomscale from the start and most reviews have been more favorable to the vive. They were apparently even handing out ginger candies to the demoers to try and prevent motion sickness. They are also trying to market it as a seating and standing device. How can you even market that as an advantage when vive can do roomscale?
Steam VR supports chaperone mode on the rift - you just have to define the space differently without touch. So I think oculus is the one that quickly needs a chaperone-like solution for software running on their sdk.
I don't think vive has any active obstacle collision warning, just the chaperone to tell you you are at your own predefined bounds. Set those bounds too close to a wall or shelf and you'll be hitting objects in the vive too.
I think it would be possible to use the vive camera as a more active warning system but Indint know if that is something they are looking at
Or like plagiarize (I think) sneaking up behind you when you aren't looking, in a social space game, and making you jump so hard you break your bed?
Wrestlemania
Banned
Having only tried DK1 and Vive, SDE on Vive Is significantly less noticeable than DK1.
It's still there though, and was the first thing I noticed when I tried it out, which initially was disappointing. You soon stop noticing it as much though.
Ah I see - so you're going to use the 3.5mm audio out and bypass the USB audio device that the vive/rift will set up. Cool. Will work off your plan as a base for mine I think - thanks
Thanks. This sounds like good advice. Set up the cables and dry run in my PC room, then see how annoying it is to move between rooms before deciding whether to install.
I don't think I'd bother with this for the rift though - the fact the cameras have to feed back to the PC would make that extension more cumbersome. So the rift ironically would be simpler because it is seated/standing only so it would happily stay in my PC room and no fuss about making more space for it. But I think the combo of my room for seated/standing, and the living room for larger experiences or when family want to try it out, will be a good one.
Managed to persuade my wife to get rid of the sofa bed in the spare room so that's a start
It would be far better than that. The DK1 had a similar FOV but a much lower resolution and much simpler optics. DK1 is as bad as SDE gets in terms of modern VR; even DK2 was a large improvement in that regard, which the Vive will still be an improvement over.
I'm glad that Oculus has done as much as they can to eliminate SDE, though. For me that is the most important thing I'm looking for in this first generation of VR HMDs.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Pretty interesting, and shows exactly why anyone who is going all out console warrior with these headsets at this stage of the game is going to look pretty stupid.
Each has their major advantages and disadvantages and it'll be down to personal preference (and budget) to decide which people should go for.
It's a bit disappointing that we're probably some way off from room scale being majorly supported, but selfishly I don't mind since i only just have the minimum room. I doubt we'll see it until some sort of treadmill system becomes really affordable.
Dreams-Visions
Member
agreed. as i've said many times, the only people losing are the ones who can't afford to get one of these devices. we're all winning here.
That info dump seems to mostly confirm everything we've already known with regard to how the headsets stack up in various parameters (including FoV, which is nice to get confirmation on, and SDE).
One thing I personally have to say about it is that on-ear headphones are in the same category as IEMs for me, as in I can't wear them comfortably for any length of time. So I'll use my own headphones with both HMDs.
One thing I personally have to say about it is that on-ear headphones are in the same category as IEMs for me, as in I can't wear them comfortably for any length of time. So I'll use my own headphones with both HMDs.
Majukun
Member
some people don't have an entire room to dedicate to gaming and are still diffident about motion controls after the wii and kinect debacle,so they are totlly ok with a mostly sitting VR experience wih a pad in their hands
The direction oculus take touch is almost my only barrier to jumping in with OR. Sounds like the headset is better in most ways -screendoor and comfort are big ones, and I like the integrated audio mainly because it'll be less hassle putting it on and taking it off. So for seated experiences like racing games etc it sounds ideal.
And touch sounds like it is comfortable and tracks well and offers subjective benefits over vive (finger gestures, more neutral hand position when holding, analogue grips, ability to have hands closer together due to the form factor )
But if - through technical or other reasons - they stick with forward facing only and don't actively support 360 or small room area tracking, then I think that would significantly diminish my interest in touch. Part of motion control's appeal is the 1:1 tracking, but part is how it frees you to do what you want (within your room bounds)
Reddit guy said:
This is basically my expectation too and it makes deciding difficult - I think the PC solutions will be too close to each other to justify both, but with enough differences to make me second guess myself up to and after launch.. Will be probably getting PSVR too for the Sony software and in case things like ace combat don't come to PC (hopefully will though)
Wrestlemania
Banned
The Rift ones look like they just rest on the ear and can be angled out a little so they're barely touching. Seem pretty comfortable, although not ideal if there's a lot of outside noise.
I still wonder how many people who agree with this have actually played games in VR for any length of time.
Sitting is great for cockpit experiences obviously, but in pretty much every other traditional game I've ever played in VR I ran into the limitations of DK2 tracking when I wanted to turn around or look at something on the ground more closely.
Hmm, that's right, unlike normal on-ear headphones they don't necessarily need to put any pressure on the ear. I guess I'll see soon enough when my Rift arrives!
I don't think it is disappointing. I only has a 15 minute demo, but you tune it out quite quickly. It is immediately noticeable when you put it on, and in my first demo of Job Simulator it was still there for a couple of minutes. But by space pirate trainer and tiltbrush I wasn't noticing any more.
But less is always better, so rift sounds good on that and the comfort aspect. Vive felt kind of like the DK1 - just a couple of elastic straps on the sides and top with Velcro for crude adjustments. So there was clear downward pressure from the vive on my face and a lot of the weight was in my cheekbones. It was ok for a demo but not ideal at all. I can imagine it being uncomfortable for long sessions and even people modding it if there aren't big improvements
This was on a pre, and they have said the straps have changed in the consumer version, but I don't know how dramatically they could have changed in a small amount of time. Hopefully they stole the oculus approach of a larger rear band to help anchor the back of the head, but I doubt it.
Majukun
Member
it's more about not having a choice than anything really,if you don't have that space avaiable in your room,you don't have it..and i wonder how many customers have that luxury of having an entire room avaiable just for gaming
Best not get a demo then. First thing I was doing after mine was working out what furniture we didn't need anymore
he's talking about the aversion to motion controls and preference of a gamepad.
Regarding that, I found it interesting that he put the FoV of the Vive ahead of the Rift FoV, but later explained that the Rift actually has a wider FoV than on the Vive, but preferred the round shape on the Vive.