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But if anything, the XB1+ & PS4.5 could easily undercut whatever plans Nintendo has for E3, so it'd be best to avoid the competition & reveal the device(s) on their own terms so the spotlight is completely on Nintendo. And with 3DS sales declining & the Wii U barely having a pulse, Nintendo can't afford to risk getting overshadowed at E3 for the NX Platform reveal.

I agree with this 100%. Even Sony and MS had their own events well before E3 to announce the X1 and PS4. MS botched theirs, but Sony capitalized majorly with there event and carried that momentum into E3.

I just see it much better to get hardware announcements out of the way in an event of your own where you have all the limelight, and let E3 focus on the games. Even as a big Nintendo fan (started gaming with NES, have a N3DS and Wii U and a bunch of Amiibo), I pay less attention to them than Sony and MS during E3 as I do most of my gaming on those platforms these days.

Many others are the same as Nintendo is a secondary platform for a lot of core gamers, and their diehards will be all over the reveal conference regardless of when it's held. So they really need to do an reveal that gets attention of people outside their fanbase.

 

[ZOONAMI]

In trying to dismantle a fake is better not to state a false information as a fact. So, please show the 4chan posts that were done earlier than reddit, because all I saw was posted afterwards.

Relying on the person who responded to Idriss2dev's most recent post. So, not 100% sure, but the cumulative evidence here weighs pretty heavily towards fake, imo.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I don't think that claim about soap being said first on 4chan is correct from the previous conversation we had about it. IDK how to get timestamps from reddit tho.

I don't think that 4chan post is by the same guy. He posted an update yesterday on Reddit. I don't think it ever got posted here.

In trying to dismantle a fake is better not to state a false information as a fact. So, please show the 4chan posts that were done earlier than reddit, because all I saw was posted afterwards.

Response on reddit to most recent post:

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Nollog • 18h
I am registered under the pseudonym only on reddit, I
but you talked about it being called soap much later on here than your 4chan posts.

next fake you make: say as little as possible, it gives people less to scrutinize meaning you wont be found out as quickly



I apologize if that has been disproven. Didn't see it.

 

[MK_768]

lol
Someone missed like almost a full year of official statements..

This happens all the time. It's one of those things that gaf assumed and it's been said so often that it's being treated as fact.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Should be locked imo, as this has turned into a silly discussion about whether or not something is a gimmick. Most of the sites that originally reported on this have updated saying this is most likely fake. The reddit thread has basically concluded it's fake as well.

Apparently the "leaker" talked about it being called soap on 4chan earlier than on reddit, and on 4chan also claimed it was a game in development. Also contradictory comments about level of access to the device. The fact that the demo is cropped and not scaled to the screen is suspicious. The lighting is suspect. The stupid note also suggests trolling. I think it's fake. Alberto equating this to a bigfoot sighting also makes me think this is a hoax.

I noticed that comment yesterday. The timestamps don't agree with it. Unless the timestamps are inaccurate, the reddit comment about soap came first.

 

[onQ123]

For what it's worth I work with photoshop/prepress and can add that I can't find anything in the image pointing to a fake. But if it is, it's very well done.

We live in the age of 3D printers the photo can be real while the object in the photo is faked.

 

[KingSnake]

But if anything, the XB1+ & PS4.5 could easily undercut whatever plans Nintendo has for E3, so it'd be best to avoid the competition & reveal the device(s) on their own terms so the spotlight is completely on Nintendo. And with 3DS sales declining & the Wii U barely having a pulse, Nintendo can't afford to risk getting overshadowed at E3 for the NX Platform reveal.

Again, I fully agree with you. In my opinion the best way would have been to do it like Sony, do the reveal during a calm period in the industry, get all the attention, feed hype up to E3 and focus E3 on games for the hardware to double down on it.

But I'm trying to see things now through the Nintendo glasses. And if I would bet, I would place bet on E3. Yes, hopefully Nintendo will surprise us with an earlier reveal, but I don't see it as a realistic for the reasons I stated in the previous post.

 

[thisisvlad]

But if anything, the XB1+ & PS4.5 could easily undercut whatever plans Nintendo has for E3, so it'd be best to avoid the competition & reveal the device(s) on their own terms so the spotlight is completely on Nintendo.

There is certainly truth to this statement if (and only if) Sony and/or Microsoft have a very compelling value proposition and are ready to reveal it at this year's E3. However, if Nintendo's new hardware proves to be have a value proposition meeting or exceeding that of Sony and/or Microsoft's, then Nintendo actually stands to benefit from the publicity.

It's akin to the PS4 and Xbox One launches, when the two were synonymous in consumer's minds. Nintendo having a play during other flagship hardware launches gives them a voice in the zeitgeist. The 'rising tide raises all boats' adage may fit here.

 

[Kurt]

Again, I fully agree with you. In my opinion the best way would have been to do it like Sony, do the reveal during a calm period in the industry, get all the attention, feed hype up to E3 and focus E3 on games for the hardware to double down on it.

But I'm trying to see things now through the Nintendo glasses. And if I would bet, I would place bet on E3. Yes, hopefully Nintendo will surprise us with an earlier reveal, but I don't see it as a realistic for the reasons I stated in the previous post.

Just that you know : Nintendo already revealed what the DS & 3DS & WII & WII U was before it was shown. So i think they will doing that again end April. But the only reason that they are currently waiting to reveal is : They don't want sony or ms steals those ideas again as they said.

 

[GhostTrick]

Just that you know : Nintendo already revealed what the DS & 3DS & WII & WII U was before it was shown. So i think they will doing that again end April. But the only reason that they are currently waithing to reveal is : They don't want sony or ms steals those ideas again as they said.

If their idea is this controller, I dont think anyone wants to steal this thing.

 

[Maiar_m]

On a purely gaming point of view I didn't find the gamepad do be a failure. I find it comfortable and love having the second screen. Although I do hope they find a way to market the concept anew with the NX. It's been a very interesting game design idea and I'd hate to see it go just because some conservative "gamers" found it too different for their guts.

 

[Insane Metal]

Wow, I'm surprised this thread is still going. Is this because there's a chance that thing is real?

 

[KingSnake]

Just that you know : Nintendo already revealed what the DS & 3DS & WII & WII U was before it was shown. So i think they will doing that again end April. But the only reason that they are currently waiting to reveal is : They don't want sony or ms steals those ideas again as they said.

Thank you for the information, it is really the first time in my life I ever hear about this thing. Are you sure? I find this a bit unbelievable. No, really?

Spoiler

/s

That's why I said that they will do some vague announcement around investors meeting.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Wow, I'm surprised this thread is still going. Is this because there's a chance that thing is real?

There's a chance, but only in the sense that we haven't been able to definitively prove it false. Without more information to work with, we can only declare it probably fake.

 

[visiblemode]

When I saw that patent image a while back, I prayed it was just some random idea. If this is real, I honestly cannot imagine it not being utterly awful. I am legit worried about this console if this is even remotely real.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I noticed that comment yesterday. The timestamps don't agree with it. Unless the timestamps are inaccurate, the reddit comment about soap came first.

Yeah I imagine the person who posted that just didn't covert the 2 timezones.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Response on reddit to most recent post:

I apologize if that has been disproven. Didn't see it.

There were claims going around that he posted the whole thing on 4chan first, these were proven false, I'm assuming the reddit accuser was just going off that bad info. 4chan guy seems like a phoney to me, or a second phoney if you prefer.

 

[ZOONAMI]

There were claims going around that he posted the whole thing on 4chan first, these were proven false, I'm assuming the reddit accuser was just going off that bad info. 4chan guy seems like a phoney to me, or a second phoney if you prefer.

Phoney of a Phoney lol. The internet is strange that someone would pose as someone that quickly. The timestamps are within a few hours of each other. People are weird lol.

 

[Pokemaniac]

There were claims going around that he posted the whole thing on 4chan first, these were proven false, I'm assuming the reddit accuser was just going off that bad info. 4chan guy seems like a phoney to me, or a second phoney if you prefer.

It's not impossible that they're the same phony, we just have no way to positively connect them.

 

[Shadax the wizard]

We live in the age of 3D printers the photo can be real while the object in the photo is faked.

Yes, I'm aware. I just worded it wrongly.

 

[AdanVC]

Just that you know : Nintendo already revealed what the DS & 3DS & WII & WII U was before it was shown. So i think they will doing that again end April. But the only reason that they are currently waiting to reveal is : They don't want sony or ms steals those ideas again as they said.

Trust me, the least thing MS or Sony wants to do right now is copy Nintendo ideas as of lately considering how badly they've been doing with Wii U...

 

[cacildo]

Shoulder buttons were a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.

The first time me and my cousins saw the SNes shoulder buttons we thought they were too frail and out of reach

And we also thought the buttons being named "A,B,X,Y" was stupid

 

[ZOONAMI]

We live in the age of 3D printers the photo can be real while the object in the photo is faked.

Yes, I'm aware. I just worded it wrongly.

It's also possible that the image on screen is printed and stuck behind plastic, then lit up with a light bulb inside. I actually think that's what's going on here given the light Hotspot in the center of the screen. Could be camera flash too, but the rest of the image does not indicate a flash was used.

 

[Graphics Horse]

It's also possible that the image on screen is printed and stuck behind plastic, then lit up with a light bulb inside. I actually think that's what's going on here given the light Hotspot in the center of the screen. Could be camera flash too, but the rest of the image does not indicate a flash was used.

there's a bright place in the demo there too so it's hard to tell, but could explain it being lined up to match.
like I said earlier, needs a video of it being used really but I'm not hopeful.

 

[The_Lump]

The D-Pad was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.
Rumble was a (optional) gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Shoulder buttons were a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Dual screen was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.

Notice a pattern here?

Virtual touch buttons are a gimmick that objectively cause functionality/precision to become inferior to past products.

That's assuming they are just bog standard touch screen buttons though, right? They may not be, in this case.

The main problem with conventional touchscreens is a lack of tactile feedback. If rumours are to be believed this thing will have some form of haptic feedback to mitigate this (possibly similar to the Steam controller? Who knows.

The second biggest problem with regular multitouch-touchscreens is accidentally locking the touch sensors by inadvertently touching elsewhere on the screen and then trying to touch the bit you want to. Nitnendo's patent for this oval controller specifically mentions functionality to mitigate this problem, so that inadvertant or incidental touches aren't registered.

With those two obstacle potentially removed, I'd be willing to give it a try before applying a blanket assessment of touchscreen controls based on older tech.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Does anyone have the comment from the rayman guy where he explains why he thinks this is fake? At work and can only use my phone. Can't find.

 

[BY2K]

Does anyone have the comment from the rayman guy where he explains why he thinks this is fake? At work and can only use my phone. Can't find.

The guy who made the Rayman fake commented on this?

 

[10k]

They usually name the devices off if the main feature or marketing message.

N64 was a Nintendo machine that was 64-bit
GameCube was a cube that played games.
Wii was "we would like to play".
Wii U was "we would like to play and you play what you want"
DS was dual screen
3DS was 3D dual screen.

If the NX is a shared library and similar architectured devices then some simple terms for that would be:

Fusion (a fusion of the handheld and console games and features)
Cross (cross compatible)
Nintendo (will be one term for all form factors I.e. Nintendo pocket, Nintendo home, Nintendo pad, etc)
Elite (for the free form displays and customizable buttons)

 

[ZOONAMI]

Why is it upside down in the OP?

New thought here (?)

Does it make any sense whatsoever that the camera would be on the bottom? In use, the camera would be pointing at your shirt/chest. Also, the way this is set up leaves less room for screen buttons. Doesn't this seem to be following the patent so closely that it doesn't even make sense from a practical perspective? You'd think if this was a real device, the camera would be at the top, and you would use the more generous bottom screen space for easier button presses.

 

[ZOONAMI]

The guy who made the Rayman fake commented on this?

Yes, it's quoted in the thread somewhere and sourced I believe.

 

[The_Lump]

New thought here (?)

Does it make any sense whatsoever that the camera would be on the bottom? In use, the camera would be pointing at your shirt/chest. Also, the way this is set up leaves less room for screen buttons. Doesn't this seem to be following the patent so closely that it doesn't even make sense from a practical perspective? You'd think if this was a real device, the camera would be at the top, and you would use the more generous bottom screen space for easier button presses.

DSi camera was below the screen, wasn't an issue really. Unless the filed of view is exceptionally narrow it it will have no trouble picking up your face. Or the camera lense could just be angled upwards a microscopic amount?

 

[Graphics Horse]

New thought here (?)

Does it make any sense whatsoever that the camera would be on the bottom? In use, the camera would be pointing at your shirt/chest. Also, the way this is set up leaves less room for screen buttons. Doesn't this seem to be following the patent so closely that it doesn't even make sense from a practical perspective? You'd think if this was a real device, the camera would be at the top, and you would use the more generous bottom screen space for easier button presses.

The bar being at the top is an option listed by the patent, but I don't think it would do much difference in terms of good places to put screen buttons.
Though it's not in the photo, bar at the bottom would be a better place for home/start/whatever system controls. Camera being low has been said before but I don't think matters as DSi had one below the top screen too, it's only like a couple of inches lower, which is like eyebrow to nostrils or something.

 

[ZOONAMI]

DSi camera was below the screen, wasn't an issue really. Unless the filed of view is exceptionally narrow it it will have no trouble picking up your face. Or the camera lense could just be angled upwards a microscopic amount?

Dsi is different because of the hinge angle where the camera was, and that your holding the bottom part of a hinge designed system. But yeah I guess camera could be angled. Still think it's a poor camera placement and usage of screen space for theoretical haptic feedback buttons. ie following the patent for the sake of following the patent. Missing handles makes more sense as they might be detachable, or maybe "leaker" wanted to give the impression that this is the NX portable (also mobile ue4 tech demo), and the handles are less portable. Also being somewhat different from patent may help with credibility of the design. Camera exactly matching the patent is suspect to me though, because it just doesn't make sense practically speaking imo.

 

[Graphics Horse]

You can just try the camera thing with an upsidedown phone, it really doesn't matter. maybe slightly less flattering self portaits but I don't think that would be the main purpose of it.

Camera exactly matching the patent is suspect to me though, because it just doesn't make sense practically speaking imo.

I don't remember this patent talking about a camera, at least not in any detail.

 

[MogCakes]

It really looks like an image has been photoshopped onto that thing.

 

[ZOONAMI]

You can just try the camera thing with an upsidedown phone, it really doesn't matter. maybe slightly less flattering self portaits but I don't think that would be the main purpose of it.


I don't remember this patent talking about a camera, at least not in any detail.

Well, just the drawing of the patent, looks like camera bottom middle. Edit just checked, nothing there. So yeah just the bar. Camera placement is weird down there I guess is my point. But like you said would work OK down there I guess.

 

[KingSnake]

If it's a handheld, the image rotating to match the position of device is a basic feature that shouldn't miss at this point from any such device that has just a screen. So camera being above or below is not really a hint for anything.

 

[Lupin the Third]

Also you can see the scrolling trigger button so unless you're supposed to mash it with your palm, I'm pretty sure that's the top side.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Also you can see the scrolling trigger button so unless you're supposed to mash it with your palm, I'm pretty sure that's the top side.

Well, right, because the theory I'm working with is that this is a 3d printed fake, so the trigger placement is irrelevant. Saying this fake was potentially designed to match the patent, and having the camera on the bottom doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least if I were an engineer I wouldn't put it there.

 

[ZOONAMI]

If it's a handheld, the image rotating to match the position of device is a basic feature that shouldn't miss at this point from any such device that has just a screen. So camera being above or below is not really a hint for anything.

Unless the haptic buttons are only available in a certain area of the screen, and since the triggers are down there it most likely would not auto rotate like phones do. Would be like the vita having an auto rotate, which it doesn't.

 

[Hahs]

If Nintendo didn't leak it - well, I just can't concede to speculation/assumptions - that's dangerous.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I wish I'd posted a mockup with a camera there months ago, heh. had doodled a few

 

[MK_768]

Just that you know : Nintendo already revealed what the DS & 3DS & WII & WII U was before it was shown. So i think they will doing that again end April. But the only reason that they are currently waiting to reveal is : They don't want sony or ms steals those ideas again as they said.

We don't know that. This is an assumption.

 

[Mysterious]

So anything new in the past few days? It's fake right?

 

[Hermii]

So anything new in the past few days? It's fake right?

Nothing new. Probably fake, but there is still a slight chance its not.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Tbh they should just build on the Wii U pro controller and add scroll wheels or something

 

[gafneo]

New thought here (?)

Does it make any sense whatsoever that the camera would be on the bottom? In use, the camera would be pointing at your shirt/chest. Also, the way this is set up leaves less room for screen buttons. Doesn't this seem to be following the patent so closely that it doesn't even make sense from a practical perspective? You'd think if this was a real device, the camera would be at the top, and you would use the more generous bottom screen space for easier button presses.

Maybe image rotates depending on how you hold it.

 

[Peterc]

If their idea is this controller, I dont think anyone wants to steal this thing.

History proofs otherwise

 

[Servbot24]

Tbh they should just build on the Wii U pro controller and add scroll wheels or something

"Wii U! Now with scroll wheels! They scroll up! They scroll down! Preorder yours today!"

That would fly off the shelves for sure.

 

[10k]

Tbh they should just build on the Wii U pro controller and add scroll wheels or something

Yeah a Wii U pro that doesn't have the Y button so far into the controller making me reach for it with my thumb would be nice.

I was thinking, Wii U pro controller setup with a wider shape to fit a small screen (4" or so), analog triggers for ZL and ZR, scroll wheels to replace L and R, coloured buttons to match the old super famicom (thing regular new 3DS colors) and matte instead of gloss. With more intense rumble and motion controls.

Something like this with a screen and in black.