Neuromancer
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Can you give me some links in that case?That's not true at all.
Can you give me some links in that case?That's not true at all.
Don't fucking do this Sony. One of the biggest plusses of consoles is knowing that when you buy it, it will play all games for that console as good as any other Ps4 for the rest of its lifespan.
I don't want to be upgrading my console every other year like it's a phone.
maybe it's just with VR h/w included inside the PS4?
I think lot of people here has misunderstood what a plus model means. In theory games are developed with the base model in mind. The plus model should simply output the game at better res or fps (which I prefer). Of course if it mean basically to introduce a new higher common denominator, no one would appreciate. It's a commercial suicide imo.
So then why not just release a PS5 in 2018 with all the capabilities you mentioned and then some instead of just this half step measure that invariably fractures and potentially confuses the massive user base?
And honestly, a GPU that could run games at 4k with decent framerate would not only seemingly be very expensive, it would also be clearly a bigger jump than Ps3 to Ps4 was in regards to the power required for it. For all intents and purposes, it would be Ps5 as to its capability.
I think it must just be a really good 4k upscaler, if anything.
(potentially even dropping the PS4 price further)
Is it really about the console being as good as all others or the fact that the console will get great game support for 5+ years? I think it's the latter.
Please don't claim to speak for all console gamers about how they value their investment. It's both disingenuous and rude.
Haha, I never did.
Not sure how it's rude to state that console gamers like console gaming because they have a really good feeling that their box will get at least five years of gaming support.
Yeah, you did. He literally said why he values consoles, and you proceed to tell him "No you're wrong, let ME tell YOU why you value consoles". Both disingenuous, and rude.
What's disingenuous is you making him out to be talking for someone else, when he is speaking on the general reasons why consoles are enjoyed. Doesn't mean an individual can't feel differently about consoles.
And honestly, a GPU that could run games at 4k with decent framerate would not only seemingly be very expensive, it would also be clearly a bigger jump than Ps3 to Ps4 was in regards to the power required for it. For all intents and purposes, it would be Ps5 as to its capability.
I think it must just be a really good 4k upscaler, if anything.
That's what I don't get. You don't have to buy 2-3 per generation. Sony isn't asking you to do that if you don't want to. If anything, having the stop gap system that will play the same game discs only serves to lengthen the life of the console you did buy. PS5 doesn't need to come as quickly, and you know Sony isn't going to turn their back on 50m PS4s out there.
I think that people are jumping the gun on the speculation that PS4 ports will suffer. It's still going to be the breadwinner, and will be the most optimized SKU due to install base.
Can't believe we are still talking about "games in 4k" here.
C'mon guys. Don't blame Sony if this new revision of the console doesn't meet your insane expectations.
Doesn't sound legit .. I mean even a PC with *2* GTX 980 Ti's has a hard time running 4k @ 60fps, what kind of GPU do they plan on using with this PS4.5 that would even have remotely that kind of horsepower?
How realistic would it be for the PS4K to have developers have a 1080p/60fps option as well as a 4K (or what ever the max resolution ends up being) resolution option?
How much more effort would be needed for games to have a 30/60 cap?
Everyone has their own ideas about what a console is or what it means and what it's worth. When you tell someone that the reason they just stated they buy a console isn't actually the reason they bought a console, you are claiming to speak for them. I've seen this argument numerous times over the past few days.
Ya but you are punishing your fans who bought the baseline model with a lesser experience. And again, VR. I bought Ps4 at launch. I have preordered my PSVR. If my PSVR is only going to be an optimal experience for the first year or less until PS4.5 comes out and that becomes the ideal (and I need to spend another $400), then maybe I should just buy whatever the NX is lol.
I'm stoked for VR, but I'll wait longer if the hidden cost of not having a lackluster experience aside from launch games is another Ps4.
Haha, I never did.
Not sure how it's rude to state that console gamers like console gaming because they have a really good feeling that their box will get at least five years of gaming support.
So now it is like every other piece of hardware that I use. Ok. As a consumer I like options.
A console not changing for 10 years (exaggeration for humorous effect), was, you know, something that happened in the 90's cause it was, you know, the 90's.
I'm assuming this isn't anywhere near a nearby launch, it may be two years out for all we know. 14nm finfett and HBM2 would certainly help in getting 4K to affordability.
But yeah, I'd worry developers would be tempted to just use that as their target device, leaving the regular PS4 with shoddy back ports. So I hope Sony makes it just a glorified upscaler and really drives home that the PS4 is still the lead platform, if they launch it at all.
I think people forget that PS4 & Xbox One are HSA & that the software is made to scale across different hardware.
It could be a bigger GPU in the PS4.5 but I'm thinking that DSPs/accelerators have been added to the chip.
I'm assuming this isn't anywhere near a nearby launch, it may be two years out for all we know. 14nm finfett and HBM2 would certainly help in getting 4K to affordability.
But yeah, I'd worry developers would be tempted to just use that as their target device, leaving the regular PS4 with shoddy back ports. So I hope Sony makes it just a glorified upscaler and really drives home that the PS4 is still the lead platform, if they launch it at all.
I think we already know the answer.
4k bluray player is probably all it is.
I agree, but then what's the point? Two years from now would be 2018 and at that point if Ps4 has say a 6 year lifespan then Ps5 is just around the corner.
I agree with you on the iPhone end. As far as we "know" this is a single mid-cycle upgrade. Annualization would have me scared as well. One more SKU, ok. 5 more SKUs to optimize for? yeah that's asking too much.I would hope that you're right, but I can easily forsee a scenario where Bloodborne 2 will theoretically run on a PS4 but only in 720p with regular drops to sub-10 FPS, and you really need the newest model to run it at a decent framerate with half decent graphics. Or some even worse scenario where we end up with a bunch of the functionality ripped out of the older versions like some of the later PS2 ports once the PS3 was out, or what the later 360 stuff would do to systems without a hard drive.
I see too many parallels to the mobile market. Have you ever looked at what an iPhone 4s runs / runs like at this point? Those are < 5 years old.
With any luck this is all overblown and it just has an upgraded HDMI port and a 4k blu-ray drive and the built in VR stuff.
I think we already know the answer.
4k bluray player is probably all it is.
What if it is in fact the PS5 and all those developers call it PS4.5 because it's basically the PS4 with better hardware, but Sony's plan was all along to make the PS5 just a more powerful PS4. And then some years later the PS6 release with better hardware than the PS5 but all on the same architecture.
I would hope that you're right, but I can easily forsee a scenario where Bloodborne 2 will theoretically run on a PS4 but only in 720p with regular drops to sub-10 FPS, and you really need the newest model to run it at a decent framerate with half decent graphics. Or some even worse scenario where we end up with a bunch of the functionality ripped out of the older versions like some of the later PS2 ports once the PS3 was out, or what the later 360 stuff would do to systems without a hard drive.
I see too many parallels to the mobile market. Have you ever looked at what an iPhone 4s runs / runs like at this point? Those are < 5 years old.
With any luck this is all overblown and it just has an upgraded HDMI port and a 4k blu-ray drive and the built in VR stuff.
Could AMD make an APU with Polaris w/ 8GB HBM for $499 by 4Q 2016?
To summarize, Zoetis confirmed Sony releasing a system capable of rendering 4K current gen games at 30fps in 2016 with no custom options, or devs changing asset quality. (Outside of downsampling, little incentive for gamers with 1080p sets) And this will not be expensive apparently (laughed at the notion that this will come near $800).
Zoetis will officially reach God-tier status if everything here is correct, because from everything i'm reading, it looks like all this cannot be possible. 4K rendering, affordable and in 2016?
I saw that but I just can't bring myself to believe it. We are not going to be seeing a game console that can play games in native 4k in 2016, or 2017, there's no way.
No hdcp 2.2 means no 4k videoI thought Ps4 already did video at 4k?
Could AMD make an APU with Polaris w/ 8GB HBM for $499 by 4Q 2016?
Pretty sure HBM is limited to 4gb max. So it would have to be GDDR5, GDDR5X, or HBM2. If HBM2 expect it to be another $599 US DOLLARS debacle.
Pretty sure HBM is limited to 4gb max. So it would have to be GDDR5, GDDR5X, or HBM2. If HBM2 expect it to be another $599 US DOLLARS debacle.
A 4gb hbm1 Polaris Apu has been described in this thread and by amd. Add 8gb ddr4.
It's not crazy that a $100 at cost Apu could be a roughly 5 tflop part. Which would be about right for 4k 30 fps. I like fully expect $499-599, and I don't think that would be a debacle.
A 4gb hbm1 Polaris Apu has been described in this thread and by amd. Add 8gb ddr4.
It's not crazy that a $100 at cost Apu could be a roughly 5 tflop part. Which would be about right for 4k 30 fps. I like fully expect $499-599, and I don't think that would be a debacle.
If Sony or MS does this, then I will buy my consoles at my determined schedule, not theirs.
That is just me, but I can't afford to keep up in this potential rat race.
Guys, 4k TVs already do the upscaling. Pointless to put a scaler in a ps4.5
If Sony or MS does this, then I will buy my consoles at my determined schedule, not theirs.
That is just me, but I can't afford to keep up in this potential rat race.
Don't you need like a 500 dollar video card to do 4k gaming on PC? I mean those cards are massive. Plus you need a pretty hefty power supply.
edit: nice
If you dont mind running games closer to medium detail settings at 4K, but you still want to experience the pixel-dense glory of games running at 3,840x2,160 resolution, under-$500 (barely under, mind you) cards such as the GeForce GTX 980$494.95 at Amazon and AMDs Radeon R9 390X$495.29 at Amazon are also capable options. Just remember that you wont be able to play many games at the highest detail settings.
Time to give up this crazy idea! It's probably an upscaler.
If Sony or MS does this, then I will buy my consoles at my determined schedule, not theirs.
That is just me, but I can't afford to keep up in this potential rat race.