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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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anothertech
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There will be a bump in power for VR. Won't be 4K fidelity Nathan Drake or anything like that, but will definitely be noticeable in the console space.
1080/60 will no longer be an issue for titles like 1886 and Battlefront.
That's my guess.
I hope this means all future consoles will be fully backwards compatible with our digital libraries going forward.
1080/60 will no longer be an issue for titles like 1886 and Battlefront.
That's my guess.
I hope this means all future consoles will be fully backwards compatible with our digital libraries going forward.
Your pc does 4k?
I think this is the most realistic version of what would happen, even if the new iteration launched in late 2017. The difference in hardware Sony could pack into a $400 machine this far out from the original PS4's launch probably isn't enough to take a game from 30 to 60fps, or from 1080p to 4K. But it likely would be enough to allow for 4K media, allow VR to run more smoothly for a variety of games (like No man's Sky or Battlefield), and allow existing games to stick closer to their framerate caps. Bloodborne, Witcher 3, and Just Cause 3 for instance would probably actually run at 30fps instead of bouncing around in the 20's.
UHD support for videogames hasn't been established yet. It would be a bad idea though because you would preferably all PS4 titles to be under one banner and one release that is spread across the family of devices.
chrishackwood
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Agreed, anything else would be just plain nuts for Sony. Why fracture the gaming market!
cyber_ninja
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Million dollar question: Should I cancel my preorder for Uncharted 4 LE console and wait for new model in order to upgrade my launch system?
People keep saying this over and over again. How is Sony fracturing the gaming market? The games you are playing are developed on PC in the first place. They than scale down to the console where they see fit. How is releasing a second SKU with higher fidelity components and 100% compatibility with your existing console an example of fracturing the market?
Fracturing the market is if they release PS4K exclusive titles OR if developers suddenly start making PS4 only titles that aren't compatible with PS4K. Therer is no hint or sign of that to happen. One machine offers a particular resolution and target, the other machines offers another.
If you need an example of how this works, go to any gaming PC, boot up the Nvidia Inspector, click the OK button for reccomended settings- and Voila! I'm sure Sony will offer much better tools, support, and parameters to developers than the Nvidia inspector, but this train of thought and business model isn't some obscure, left field, foreign concept that comes from some deep dark place that wishes to destroy everything you may know as holy.
josecitoxnyo
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Hawk269
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Then why would they need to show and get developers feedback on it? A game developer would have no need to know about 4k blu ray playback or streaming Netflix in 4k.
I mentioned it a while ago when the rumors first started that this is a Trojan Horse device for 4k Blu Ray playback, but since then the implications of GPU changes and them talking with game devs makes me think this is something else in addition to being a 4k blu ray player Trojan horse.
I don't think however that native 4k at 30fps will be feasible unless the unit is more than $800.00, but improvements enough for a dev when making a new game could have a 60fps 1080p version on the PS4k and 1080p/30fps on the standard PS4.
Either way, I am in. I have a 4k TV but waiting on more companies to release their 4k blu ray players, currently only Samsung has a unit out. With this news, I will just wait and get a PS4k for my 4k Blu Ray needs.
Nikodemos
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Yup. I don't see how (and, more importantly, why) would Sony pour a ton of R&D money into making a non-incremental version of their extant console. We're currently going through the third year of the PS4.
Using the old generational model (5 years), which Sony have stated they want a return to, we're about to pass the mid-way point in (roughly) April. It wouldn't make economic and marketing sense to perform a heavy iteration.
I've already mentioned what changes I deem likely at the upper end in one of my previous posts (well, in addition to what I've already said, Sony might - unlikely, however - go for aggressive harvesting, opting to fuse off a single graphics module instead of the current two; I'm unsure whether yields have improved enough to make it economically feasible, though).
How did you come up with the $800 figure? We are on the verge of a GPU node shrink, a CPU generation change, and a RAM architecture transformation. AMD's entire portfolio is about to turn upside down, and the components/architectures we've come to expect in the last 5 years will all change into a completely new form.
In DBZ Terms:
AMD is Goku going Super Saiyan if he goes Polaris, Zen, and HBM.
AMD is Goku going Kaio-ken if they stick with the same architecture.
Lockjaw333
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I personally don't expect the revision to alter game performance at all. We're most likely looking at a ps4 slim with 4k media/ bluray capability, and upscaled 4k output. Games will still render at 1080p. The smaller apu foot print might allow the psvr processing box to now be inside the console. Maybe an upgraded wireless as well.
I think those of you expecting improved game performance, things like bf4 now holding a solid 60fps, are dreaming the good dream.
I think those of you expecting improved game performance, things like bf4 now holding a solid 60fps, are dreaming the good dream.
Glorified G
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There is a reason why vast majority of console games have been 30fps since forever. It's because publishers don't see a market for 60fps if they could push more at half the frame rate. Better hardware over the last two generations hasn't changed this and it wouldn't start now. A better APU would just mean prettier graphics at 1080p/30fps.
According to Zoetis, this will just be running current gen games at 4K resoultion with the same settings for both ps4's.
And no adjustable settings either:
Outside of rendering at a higher resolution, it doesn't seem the new/upgraded console will bring a difference.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I guess that's what I meant by new architecture. Used the wrong wording. I just meant a drastic upgrade compared to the upgrade during the middle of the generation.
-bakalhau-
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It just had to be named PS 4K. It just had to.
I would wait for sure.
What if your Uncharted 4 LE console is an PS4.5?
I don't think this supposedly PS4.5 is coming out before 2017.
cyber_ninja
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Depends on your patience. Can you stand to NOT play Uncharted 4 day 1
I will be playing Uncharted 4 day one regardless because I got Libertalia Edition pre ordered as well. The plan was to sell my old system and the game that comes with the bundle. My extended warranty runs out in a few months and my ps4 is acting up occasionally by entering the rest mode by itself once in a while.
Should be out in time for holiday 2016.
funkystudent
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From the sound of things they only started to pitch it to developers. I dont think anyone is actually making games for it. That isnt something coming out this year.
I would be shocked if it isnt a late 2017 thing and we dont hear a thing until first half of next year.
Unless it literally is just a new PS4 model with 4k blu ray and a upscailer for games. In which case sure. It could totally drop this year but totally isnt the "PS4.5" we think it is. It would be more like when they added HDMi and 1080p output to the 360 with the first Elite.
How did you come up with the $800 figure? We are on the verge of a GPU node shrink, a CPU generation change, and a RAM architecture transformation. AMD's entire portfolio is about to turn upside down, and the components/architectures we've come to expect in the last 5 years will all change into a completely new form.
In DBZ Terms:
AMD is Goku going Super Saiyan if he goes Polaris, Zen, and HBM.
AMD is Goku going Kaio-ken if they stick with the same architecture.
In DBZ terms AMD is currently Goku mid-Frieza fight. Krillin just died.
draughn101
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I would think so, especially with the possibility that MS could do something big.5 at E3. Better to keep them guessing than reveal too early.
Obliterator
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Yeah its a bummer as its been really fun discussing it but we've had 2 huge threads to debate on now. Not a lot more we can talk about until something more solid leaks
I'd rather he spill the beans instead of being a cocktease. He wants to be an insider, he should know the risks and be ready for a grey name if he's proven wrong.
I really don't understand why more people aren't talking about this. We are on the tail end of what I would consider the worst four to five years the GPU market has ever seen. The market has been price gouged to hell and back, and tech advancements have been smaller than I have personally ever seen. A node shrink, new memory tech, and huge optimization and architecture advancements on AMDs side are going to lead to custom APUs that are going to be a massive step up from what is in the current machines on a similar size chip. Will they be capable of holding 4k with other improvements? Maybe not, but they will likely come pretty close and we could see a 4K dynamic res that resembles the 1080p dynamic res that we are seeing on XBO. And hell, why aim for 4K, shoot for 1440p with other added effects instead. That would still be a big leap, and would absolutely be possible with a new custom APU.How did you come up with the $800 figure? We are on the verge of a GPU node shrink, a CPU generation change, and a RAM architecture transformation. AMD's entire portfolio is about to turn upside down, and the components/architectures we've come to expect in the last 5 years will all change into a completely new form.
In DBZ Terms:
AMD is Goku going Super Saiyan if he goes Polaris, Zen, and HBM.
AMD is Goku going Kaio-ken if they stick with the same architecture.
I don't know, I feel like the last few years of shitty GPU advancement has significantly lowered peoples expectations of what a new GPU generation should really look like.
His isn't banned yet so either Kagari is still waiting for him to verify himself or he already has.
-ImaginaryInsider
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He supposedly was originally vetted by Bish, they might have just told him to knock off the teasing.
Well this lines up with how Sony didn't unveil a 4K BD-player yet for home and will probably try to position this as some of their leverage into that market off the bat. $500 seems plausible. I mean, Samsung is charging people $400 for their pile of a 4K player.
It's pretty much a given that media will be 4K/HDR capable output at this point. The real question is if gaming will output at 2160 native, or will they have some form of scaler in there, and not a traditional scaler found in BD-players/TVs.
It's pretty much a given that media will be 4K/HDR capable output at this point. The real question is if gaming will output at 2160 native, or will they have some form of scaler in there, and not a traditional scaler found in BD-players/TVs.
draughn101
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These PS4 leaks/rumors/whatever have me wondering why we haven't heard anything about regarding the Xbox's iterations, especially with how open they've been about it. The Xbox Polaris info leaked a while back but nothing recent. Makes me wonder what's up
I'd say you're right on the money, and it's a good deal for people already looking to spend $400 for 4k disc action.
I'd say you're right on the money, and it's a good deal for people already looking to spend $400 for 4k disc action.
We all know Zoetis is Shu.
I think AMD polaris 10 is the PS4.5 GPU & all the AMD polaris 11 GPUs are for the Windows 10 devices that will replace Xbox One.
draughn101
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I'd jump on it if it comes out this year. Been toying with the idea of jumping to PC but an updated console would keep me around.
Obliterator
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Yeah no matter what it HAS to have a better wifi card. The one in the PS4 is garbage
TheExecutive
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So a ps4 with 4K capability and the VR box inside? Ok whatever.
VR box will not be inside because the VR box in for sending a undistorted video signal back to your TV after your PS4 sends out the video signals for the VR set.
I don't think Sony is crazy enough to have to 2 HDMI outputs on the PS4 & have people connected directly to the console with the headset for them to yank the console down.
draughn101
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Well and they are selling the VR with them. What are people supposed to do with all these extra boxes? Seems stupid to have an additional SKU after this releases. That'll piss people off.
Yeah, it would just be stupid. No need to put the box in for general console users. Those who want VR will have it. Just a waste of space and is extra production on the box for many that may go to waste.
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