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[HanzSnubSnub]

Well, first, I am not sure if I still believe this actually going to happen. But as for me, it is mainly because at present I prefer to have a more streamlined system to play games, and a computer to do work, etc. I prefer to have these two elements seperate, and have a games machine focused on entertainment and nothing else. Sure I could get a PC only for that purpose, but I don't really like playing games via windows etc. But sure, there is an increasing convergence between consoles and PCs and the question you pose is fairly legit.

Thank you for a civil response, unlike some other people in this thread. I agree, I prefer to have both elements separate. The problem though, like you said, is that since both ecosystems are converging, how can a budget constrained gamer justify purchasing a console and a PC when they are becoming more and more similar.

In the most simplest form. I don't want to game on a PC because it's a PC!

lol..you guys are dense. You think consumers don't know Apple's phones are crazy expensive compared to the other competing phones and sometimes outclassed in tech? Not everyone is ignorant of tech specs. It's about brand, it's about comfort zone, it's about what your friends are doing, it's about trophies/gamer score, it's about familiarity, etc...

Consoles were not just about "here's a gaming experience without the fuss" either. That's just one of the benefits of them, not the reason they exist. Sony pushed new media formats with every console iteration. Nintendo innovated in a variety of markets with there platforms (analog stick, motion controls). There's a console market, and it's pretty big (even with the drop from last ten) and a PS4K is a device targeted at that market.

If you think consoles being attractive is just because they are some easier no frills PC experience, well, I think you need to enlighten yourself and talk to more people who game exclusively on consoles.

I'm actually quite insulted by this. First of all, did you even read my post? How did you get "I don't want to game on a PC because it's a PC!" from that?

Let me make something clear, I game exclusively on consoles.

Yes consoles don't solely exist for 'gaming experience without the fuss', but for me, that's why I have a console. There is a large market of people like me that would be unhappy to see a PS4K for the reasons I stated.

I never said people wouldn't purchase a PS4K out of brand loyalty among other features. Of course people will buy it. What I'm saying is how is this good for the average consumer, because it ends up costing them more, it creates cross gen games, and removes several advantages of owning a console.

There are lots of games on the PC that require high end PCs to run and they won't run on the lower spec PCs. Every single game on the PS4 will run on every single iteration of the PS4. That's the difference.

Sure, but would the 40 million PS4 owners who supported the console and made PlayStation a success this gen not feel slighted for getting an inferior version. Everyone complained about cross gen games, but a 'PS4K' would bring them back.

 

[Corto]

Sure, but would the 40 million PS4 owners who supported the console and made PlayStation a success this gen not feel slighted for getting an inferior version. Everyone complained about cross gen games, but a 'PS4K' would bring them back.

Cross-gen games will always exist one way or another. An iterative upgrade inside a major generation of hardware will only ensure that differences between the different versions won't be as notable.

 

[texhnolyze]

There are lots of games on the PC that require high end PCs to run and they won't run on the lower spec PCs. Every single game on the PS4 will run on every single iteration of the PS4. That's the difference.

Won't run in MUCH lower spec PCs, to be exact. A 5 to 7-year-old PC can still run games that run on the newest PC, at medium or low settings of course. My PC will be 7-year-old this winter and it's still running The Division on high settings above 30 fps.

And anyway, if you read this line in the OP:

Existing PlayStation 4 owners would need to buy the new model to take full advantage of the enhanced graphics and power, though it is likely that the current model and the coming one would share the same software catalog, one of the people said.

There's no assurance. It may be somewhat similar to New3DS, or even worse with more exclusive PS4K games.

 

[dano1]

The end begins.

The beginning begins!!

 

[dano1]

And about damn time. Who the hell wants to wait 6-7 years for new hardware?!! I know but I'm not going to say

 

[orochi91]

Giant Bomb crew on suicide watch, lol

 

[Razo999]

I for one is glad that the ps4k is coming out.

When ps3 first came out, a lot of people complained it was pricey. It was because it was higher speced compare to others. Now these same people are complaining about ps4 being under powered, well they had to, to make it cheaper. Either way some people will not be happy.

Now I am glad that those that choose to can have a higher speced ps4. At least there are options that both sides will be happay with.

 

[StereoVsn]

It only makes sense if you choose to ignore pretty much every rumor and article about PS4K saying there's more horsepower for developers to use on games and just pull out of the blue that they won't do that.

This already exists on PC and people can run games using anything from built-in Intel video to 980ti. It literally happens right now. I wish people stopped with the insanity and thought logically.

It would be much easier with consoles as well since you would only have a handful of graphic settings to optimize to be PC. So at most a game would have PS4, PS4.5 and PS5 settings (and Xbox equivalents). It's not a freaking end of the world.

PS4 would run at say 1080p/30fps (pick your current variation), PS4.5 would do 1080p/60 with higher fidelity and PS5 would do this maybe at 4K/60fps. You would then have similar sort of step ups with VR with perhaps certain games having VR reserved to PS4.5 and higher, not because of some conspiracy but because of physical limitations of PS4.

There is nothing lost here for team console. You could probably just skip mod-term update and just get PS5 in say 2019. Games could be compatible with entire gamut of x86 Playstations with some reserved to PS4.5 and higher with better fidelity on PS5 in 2019 and up, giving PS4 a minimum of 6 years and probably longer.

Xbox with its Win10 focus will probably do the same thing or even upgrade more often.

 

[Naudi]

People complaining about this is why we can't have nice things. If you don't want to spend the $ then well....don't? No need to stop the rest of us from enjoying our hobby to the fullest.

 

[mejin]

There's no assurance. It may be somewhat similar to New3DS, or even worse with more exclusive PS4K games.

I really doubt that. We would have to assume Sony is as stupid as Nintendo. Sony doesn't live in a bubble.

 

[Maintenance]

I really doubt that. We would have to assume Sony is as stupid as Nintendo. Sony doesn't live in a bubble.

Well, they did make the PS3/PS Vita though and said that people would have to get two jobs.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

People complaining about this is why we can't have nice things. If you don't want to spend the $ then well....don't? No need to stop the rest of us from enjoying our hobby to the fullest.

Yup^^. I dont get the complains either.

Its the same people that didnt want to switch from PS3 to PS4 etc...

People need to stop ignoring the fact that the games will and have to run on both machines. Vanilla PS4 will use its settings and PS4k will use its Settings. Games already use some kind of Performance Settings etc, so it probably wont be that hard to Support upgraded Version of consoles.

Nobody is forcing you to buy the upgraded version. If you want the best experience graphicly from a game, sure you have to get this thing. If you dont care about this, then stay on the vanilla console.

 

[wipeout364]

I think it's great that this is happening. Hopefully ps4.6 comes out two years after this one and drops support for 4.0. 5-6 years of support for 4.0, guaranteed backward compatibility going forward. Not stuck with crappy slow hardware like the 360 that takes forever to boot or the PS3 store experience. This model works like gangbusters for Apple and PC : people are kidding themselves if they think people won't jump at this in the console space. And no this is nothing like 32x this sku will eventually replace 4.0 just like the changes in PS3 over the years except reversed( better systems over time).

 

[Marty Chinn]

People complaining about this is why we can't have nice things. If you don't want to spend the $ then well....don't? No need to stop the rest of us from enjoying our hobby to the fullest.

How about some of us who don't mind spending money but at the same time worry about the bigger picture and how this will play out? Let's not pretend that releasing an upgraded console halfway through the generation has no negative ramifications.

 

[mejin]

Well, they did make the PS3/PS Vita though and said that people would have to get two jobs.

Sure, Sony had their failures as well. But Nintendo is a different beast.

 

[Naudi]

How about some of us who don't mind spending money but at the same time worry about the bigger picture and how this will play out? Let's not pretend that releasing an upgraded console halfway through the generation has no negative ramifications.

You're right it may. But I think it's way more likely to be good then bad.

Plus all these people saying screw consoles and are going to buy a pc, have fun pretty much always feeling like you aren't running the game as good as you could, which is the very reason they say they are leaving? Makes zero sense.

 

[geardo]

I think it's great that this is happening. Hopefully ps4.6 comes out two years after this one and drops support for 4.0. 5-6 years of support for 4.0, guaranteed backward compatibility going forward. Not stuck with crappy slow hardware like the 360 that takes forever to boot or the PS3 store experience. This model works like gangbusters for Apple and PC : people are kidding themselves if they think people won't jump at this in the console space. And no this is nothing like 32x this sku will eventually replace 4.0 just like the changes in PS3 over the years except reversed( better systems over time).

Mostly on board with what you're saying, although, I think that as long as they're using the "PS4" moniker, they shouldn't phase out support for 4.0. Leave that to when they want to introduce the PS5 system family.

 

[Will0827]

For those that can afford it the iterative console model isn't that bad. Current on Amazon, Gamestop, Bestbuy & walmart a trade in for a PS4 in good working condition with basic accessories ranges in $178 to $225. I would think sony would want to keep this console priced at $399.99 like the launch of the OG PS4.

Im sure retailers will offer a bit more if one were to trade up your looking at about half off to close it. And im sure Sony will offer some kind of extra incentive for those wanting to trade up outside of just credit. So if your a launch day PS4 owner you'll have gotten 3/4 years out of your initial console depending on when and if this update does release. So after the initial investment of $399.99 at half off every 3 to 4 years you can upgrade or stay with your initial purchase until the next major hardware update releases.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You're right it may. But I think it's way more likely to be good then bad.

Plus all these people saying screw consoles and are going to buy a pc, have fun pretty much always feeling like you aren't running the game as good as you could, which is the very reason they say they are leaving? Makes zero sense.

You're not looking at it through their view. Console gamers have certain expectations from console gaming. When you start removing those expectations, which are reasons they play console games, then there's no reason for them to stick with it. That doesn't mean they don't understand that there's trade offs. It's that the trade offs no longer become worth it.

 

[Night Angel]

I don't want this. Nope, no siree.


I just don't see how this will be successful.

 

[Naudi]

You're not looking at it through their view. Console gamers have certain expectations from console gaming. When you start removing those expectations, which are reasons they play console games, then there's no reason for them to stick with it. That doesn't mean they don't understand that there's trade offs. It's that the trade offs no longer become worth it.

Their view? I'm a console gamer lol.
I also have a decent pc but never game on it.

 

[NolbertoS]

People complaining about this is why we can't have nice things. If you don't want to spend the $ then well....don't? No need to stop the rest of us from enjoying our hobby to the fullest.

I didn't know console gaming is now for the ultra rich now. there was a time when consoles were just for playing games, not for Kinect like features, making games at 60FPS, 1080p, 3-D capability. Might as well, have the E3 expo at the Monte Carlo Casino with caviar, perrignon?? And free Gucci handbags. Man us blue collar workers can find other ways to spend our money and then bye, bye PS4 and Xbox One sales.

 

[Art Vandilay]

So... what are the odds that MS releases an upgraded XB1 with Rift support? Give me $150 credit for my OG XB1 and I'm in.

 

[Naudi]

I didn't know console gaming is now for the ultra rich now. there was a time when consoles were just for playing games, not for Kinect like features, making games at 60FPS, 1080p, 3-D capability. Might as well, have the E3 expo at the Monte Carlo Casino with caviar, perrignon?? And free Gucci handbags. Man us blue collar workers can find other ways to spend our money and then bye, bye PS4 and Xbox One sales.

Wow lol. I'm far from rich. A few hundred bucks every few years is nothing even for me.
And considering I'm a machinist I'm about as blue collar as it gets.

 

[Kikorin]

Would be awesome if they drop the price for the base model too when this will come out.

I still have to buy a PS4, so I would be happy to have more choiches. If the difference is heavy, sure I'll buy the PS4K, but if is a minimal difference, I would buy the cheapest one.

 

[Corto]

I didn't know console gaming is now for the ultra rich. there was a time when consoles were just for playing games, not for Kinect like features, making games at 60FPS, 1080p, 3-D capability. Might as well, have the E3 expo at the Monte Carlo Casino with caviar, perrignon?? And free Gucci handbags. Man us blue collar workers can find other ways to spend our money and then bye, bye PS4 and Xbox One sales.

I don't think that's what that poster meant. He said don't buy it as in "there's no need to buy a X.5 iteration of a console if you have the original one working still". The original PS4 launched at a very reasonable price point, even more so if you compare it to the launch price of a PS3... Yikes! Those were fun times. People that have a working PS4 won't need to upgrade to a PS4.5. The games will run all the same. The only thing that is not as certain, to me at least, is VR. I expect that to a Playstation user that is serious about jumping into VR, and wants to enjoy it exclusively on Playstation, then in this scenario a PS4.5 should be a recommended upgrade. But that we'll know when this is officially announced.

 

[Heyasuki]

YAY so we get to play a non-downgraded FFXV then =]

 

[DietRob]

I don't want this. Nope, no siree.


I just don't see how this will be successful.

Good thing you don't have to buy it then.

 

[Naudi]

I don't think that's what that poster meant. He said don't buy it as in "there's no need to buy a X.5 iteration of a console if you have the original one working still". The original PS4 launched at a very reasonable price point, even more so if you compare it to the launch price of a PS3... Yikes! Those were fun times. People that have a working PS4 won't need to upgrade to a PS4.5. The games will run all the same. The only thing that is not as certain, to me at least, is VR. I expect that to a Playstation user that is serious about jumping into VR, and wants to enjoy it exclusively on Playstation, then in this scenario a PS4.5 should be a recommended upgrade. But that we'll know when this is officially announced.

Yeah that's what I meant. Thanks.

 

[Bananajama]

I'm not sure what people aren't understanding re: hardware chasing and it annoying "some" console Gamers.

If you wanted to chase performance you go PC

On console though; I feel like it will remove a primary advantage. Aka. Shed ton of users - 1 hardware - clear optimisation available.

I'd prefer on the 6th year mark a PS5 that offers backwards compatibility and be done with it.

Dependent on what's actually announced this gen could be the last time I was a Day 1er (excl Nintendo)

 

[NolbertoS]

Wow lol. I'm far from rich. A few hundred bucks every few years is nothing even for me.

Hmm, hate to break it to you, but if you think the PS4 will only be upgrade able by a few hundred, then I got a bridge to sell you. More like rebut a new console at $599.99 each time. If you got $600 to spare every year and can afford to pay rent, have money to pay for groceries, utilities and still got pocket change left over, then good on you living at home. Wish I didn't have outside gaming problems to deal with

 

[odhiex]

With a good price, I'm so in.

 

[Stealthcobra]

I didn't know console gaming is now for the ultra rich now. there was a time when consoles were just for playing games, not for Kinect like features, making games at 60FPS, 1080p, 3-D capability. Might as well, have the E3 expo at the Monte Carlo Casino with caviar, perrignon?? And free Gucci handbags. Man us blue collar workers can find other ways to spend our money and then bye, bye PS4 and Xbox One sales.

No idea wtf you're talking about... If you don't have a 4k tv, then just game on the ps4 you already have. This is purely an optional upgrade for people that want to see better graphics... I dont see why you or anyone would have a problem with this. I have a ps4, plan on buying the psvr and I'll probably get the ps4k... But if i didnt have a 4k tv or any interest in psvr, i wouldn't care about the new proposed system.

 

[NHarmonic.]

You won't support Sony if PS4.5 gets exclusive software or if PS4.5 gets the same game as PS4 just at a better fidelity?

For example, if SE releases KH3 for 4.5 only.

What if the games you want are also on the PS4.0?

Yeah, they can be, but if it's an experience like Hyrule warriors legends in normal 3ds...

 

[Marty Chinn]

Their view? I'm a console gamer lol.
I also have a decent pc but never game on it.

Their view is referring to the people you can't seem to understand why they would be upset over this it why one would leave console gaming and head to PC gaming instead. You say it makes zero sense and I'm telling you what their view is.

 

[Corto]

Hmm, hate to break it to you, but if you think the PS4 will only be upgrade able by a few hundred, then I got a bridge to sell you. More like rebut a new console at $599.99 each time. If you got $600 to spare every year and can afford to pay rent, have money to pay for groceries, utilities and still got pocket change left over, then good on you living at home. Wish I didn't have outside gaming problems to deal with

The PS4.5 won't release at a higher price point than the PS4 has (this is entirely my guesstimate though). And it will release 3 years after PS4 launched.

 

[Nikodemos]

Yeah, they can be, but if it's an experience like Hyrule warriors legends in normal 3ds...

Didn't one of the rumours state that Sony was locking developers out of the enhanced capabilities so as to present a level field (with a few notable exceptions, strongly hinted to be VR)?

 

[Rapscallion]

Sure. If it plays the same games, let graphic enthusiasts have their machine. Doesn't effect me, I'd be happy keeping my regular PS4.

 

[encephalon]

I just hope it's true that I don't have to upgrade. I can't take advantage of 4k;I don't even have to room for a 32 inch tv.

 

[superNESjoe]

but would the 40 million PS4 owners who supported the console and made PlayStation a success this gen not feel slighted for getting an inferior version. Everyone complained about cross gen games, but a 'PS4K' would bring them back.

This is a big thing right here.

 

[Elandyll]

I don't want this. Nope, no siree.


I just don't see how this will be successful.

People who want the latest and greatest PS will pay $399-$499, people who want to play the same games but at lower entry cost will pay $299.

Choice.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

This is a big thing right here.

It has been almost two weeks since this story broke and I hope an update is being worked on to explain some more.

 

[castaction]

Sure. If it plays the same games, let graphic enthusiasts have their machine. Doesn't effect me, I'd be happy keeping my regular PS4.

this is my feeling , if there are people who are willing to buy a ps4.5 for better graphic etc then why not.

 

[Man]

This is a big thing right here.

Cross-gen meant 7+ year old hardware as basis (and very custom/bottlenecked in terms of PS3). No compute etc.

 

[bitbydeath]

This is a big thing right here.

If the PS4K never exists then wouldn't we always be on the lower spectrum that is the PS4 anyway?

 

[The Last One]

For example, if SE releases KH3 for 4.5 only.

LMAO

Disney wouldn't allow this.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Cross-gen meant 7+ year old hardware as basis (and very custom/bottlenecked in terms of PS3). No compute etc.

Can't work miracles though. The PS4 tech was already "mature" at launch and by the end of this year a second major graphics architecture update since PS4/Xbox One launch combined with a shift to 14nm is going make PS4/Xbox One look as old or older than PS360 at 7.

 

[Man]

Can't work miracles though. The PS4 tech was already "mature" at launch and by the end of this year a second major graphics architecture update since PS4/Xbox One launch combined with a shift to 14nm is going make PS4/Xbox One look as old or older than PS360 at 7.

No real hardware innovations has been introduced since the PS4 came around. Only smaller, faster and less power hungry. The PS4 is actually ahead of PC in architectual ways since every console has hUMA and a good standardised compute solution for them to explore and utilize. 3D/HBM2 memory is coming to PC but even that has been delayed now to 2017+.
The PS3 is totally alien compared to PS4 and lacking native solutions for geometry shaders, compute...horrible, horrible memory... one general purpose CPU core...

 

[joecanada]

Hmm, hate to break it to you, but if you think the PS4 will only be upgrade able by a few hundred, then I got a bridge to sell you. More like rebut a new console at $599.99 each time. If you got $600 to spare every year and can afford to pay rent, have money to pay for groceries, utilities and still got pocket change left over, then good on you living at home. Wish I didn't have outside gaming problems to deal with

Where did you get 600 from and how is four years suddenly one?

 

[Spieler Eins]

Still expecting a Slim equivalent, maybe leaning towards DSi style. I don't see serious split within generations coming. Apparently you can't get much ,,slimer" with the PS4, so the usual revision is gonna need slightly different advantages this time.