... It's like watching a goldfish in a bowl going circles, with all these posters apparently not reading the thread or at least the OP entirely.
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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GlamFM
Banned
Compared to a system you don´t own - as was the case before where you make sacrifices compared to a PC version.
What´s the big fucking deal?
I just don´t get it.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Sacrifices that were already being made. Nothing changed.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Every single PS4 game that's available on PC is running with considerable sacrifices. Witcher 3, Battlefield 4, Dark Souls III...EVERY GAME. Why does PS4K change any of that? It's the same principle. PS4 games aren't going to get any worse.
These were developers talking among themselves, overheard. Terminology is not the same.
Think of it like low settings versus mid/high settings in PC gamer-speak. There is no reason to assume this means poor gameplay / framerate performance.
Nothing has been officially stated to my knowledge.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I think the big deal is knowing that with pretty much the same money you could get the new ps4 with considerably better hardware.
It's like buying a MacBook Pro and then a month later the new and improved version comes out. It kind of burns.
In the console space, consumers just aren't used to that. They're used to knowing that the console they buy will stay pretty much the same until a new generation rolls around
gamerMan
Member
I really think this is huge news. Everyone knew that the the PS4 was not the system that Sony wanted to release. It was woefully underpowered, but that's part of the reason it sold to the masses. Sony brought a new system to the market at $399. Sony sold an outdated PC to the market with the promise that Greatness awaits.
Now they are basically saying sorry that system wasn't the system we should have brought to the market. This is the system we should have. Will consumers bite? If they do, I think that console gaming as we know it is dead. I think we will be looking at a new console model with iterations every year similar to PC and mobile. I think consumers have to choose wisely whether they support this.
I won't be getting a PS4.5 as most exclusive games in the library don't interest me. If there is a 60 FPS patch for Uncharted 4, I might bite.
Now they are basically saying sorry that system wasn't the system we should have brought to the market. This is the system we should have. Will consumers bite? If they do, I think that console gaming as we know it is dead. I think we will be looking at a new console model with iterations every year similar to PC and mobile. I think consumers have to choose wisely whether they support this.
I won't be getting a PS4.5 as most exclusive games in the library don't interest me. If there is a 60 FPS patch for Uncharted 4, I might bite.
Clarified by OsirisBlack
Well, I don't think anything else could be significant enough to make me want to buy a new console, no. I mean, unless we're talking about games being unplayable on PS4 compared to PS4K. In that event though, I think Sony and the PlayStation brand would be in VERY big trouble. But yeah, a slightly smoother 30 FPS and better AA or whatever wouldn't be enough for me no. The difference in performance has to be substantial, and the price has to be reasonable for me (and I suspect, many others) to even consider an upgrade this early in the generation.
Papacheeks
Banned
Right now maybe, maybe not. You can't predict they will or won't pull a Nintendo or sega and make a game that runs great on PS4K, or what ever it is, and have it run like ass on PS4. Could happen now could happen during PS5 refresh.
I don't know, all I know is the possibility of it happening is there, and seeing as it's happened recently with Hyrule warriors on N3DS, I won't rule that out as a possibility.
GlamFM
Banned
I get that - but this is how it always goes with technology.
The PS4 will be almost 3 years old when the PS4K come out.
It´s really a "deal with it" situation.
Because some of us might just have a PC as well. Infact I buy games depending on what runs fine on what system. like Fallout I bought on PC while I bought BF4 on PS4 (Felt really odd on PC to me and I also do own BF4 on PC as well)
I see what you're saying but where are you getting the bolded from? It's going to be 3 years...
It'd be like buying a MBP and 3 years later a new version comes out. Which is what happens already.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
It's just the way he took it. It's not a confirmation.
Because I really want to see how this works out. Not a fan of this model. Some posters just need to understand that this a new thing for console users and it's completely normal for some to be concerned, just give it time.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I added to my original post that in the console space, consumers are not accustomed to that. They buy a console thinking the specs will stay the same until a new generation rolls around. The challenge for Sony is going to be dealing with consumer expectations
Papacheeks
Banned
This is pretty much how I am setup.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I'm finding it hard to believe it will be SLI but hey i'm not saying l don't believe. This upgrade sounds even worse now if you're talking dual GPU.
Xander Crews
Member
Yeah, that's the name of the game. I paid $50-100 more for my PS4 than today's PS4s but I also got more time with it. I was happy with the games I had to play though, but some people weren't, they waited and paid $100 less for theirs. I could have waited and saved some money too, but I got hundreds of hours of gaming.
He edited the first post to define what he meant by that.
Buying an apple PC is a mistake in the first place lol
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Not big on reading comprehension are we?
Every game you play on PS4 is already being made with those considerable sacrifices. Nothing changed for the PS4 user, other than they have he knowledge that if they pay more money, they could get a better looking version. Which has been the case from day one with PC.
I own Wild Hunt on PS4, and guess what, on my PS4 it runs with "considerable sacrifices". It runs at a quarter of the resolution, no game works, settings are much lower, Framerate is worse. Etc.
But you know what? It is still a damned fine PS4 game.
Yeah there just aren't enough improvements to performance to release a new console every year.
bearythebear
Member
I think he's trying to say that's where we're heading with this. Y'know, at first it's an upgrade every three years, then it's every two years, and then eventually it's an annual thing.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but how do you have a machine with 2x GPU performance that doesn't existing game performance without patches?
Wouldn't there need to be additional OS changes to further throttle CPU/GPU performance in existing games?
It just seems odd that the power of the system would increase that much and existing games would not be impacted at all. Or am I misunderstanding the OP?
Wouldn't there need to be additional OS changes to further throttle CPU/GPU performance in existing games?
It just seems odd that the power of the system would increase that much and existing games would not be impacted at all. Or am I misunderstanding the OP?
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Do you buy consoles to play games you wouldn't otherwise be able to, or do you buy them to just watch games sit idle as you masturbate furiously to the idea of the game never looking better?
Would love to know.
Fucking el oh el at the people up in arms over this.
vpance
Member
Minimum 3, max 5.
This yearly and biyearly speculation comes from a complete lack of understanding of how and why slims consoles are made.
Luckydog
Member
Is it really so hard to understand on an enthusiast board like GAF, that it would drive some people crazy knowing there was a "better" PS4 out there? The PC comparison isnt apt. I would guess that most console gamers ONLY game on console so it is not equivalent that a PC version is better. But console makers have essentially trained people to know that inside a generation, there are no major changes (adding HDMI or a bigger HD isnt a major change). Changing that up for console gamers will cause some pushback whether it is rational or not.
rokkerkory
Member
So what happens if FPS games runs sublime on PS4k and runs inconsistently on PS4, esp during online MP?
SmiteOfHand
Member
It is a clarification on their own original statement. Are you suggesting we split Osiris in half and argue both sides now?
You're right, but how he (Osiris) originally worded it was what was being pointed to and leaned on.
We don't need anyone to say it's significant or not significant, we know the numbers. 2x more performance, and we'll get what a 2x performance difference looks like whether some people want to see it as one system having sacrifices or another system having enhancements.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
"Deal with it" it seems.
I bought and play console games for the very reason of not having to worry about updating my system on a regular basis. And I don't want to play my games with considerable sacrifices.
Fair enough. As long as the same people consider that there are people that genuinely want this, and not updating because they feel like they have to or just have a lot of money to burn.
Games on consoles have capped framerates and resolutions with no graphics options so there wouldn't be any way for them to improve. If they have framerate drops those might get smoothed out depending on how they're programmed but no other visual improvements. Loading and pop in might be a bit faster as well.
We'll never know if it wasn't going to run well not he PS4 anyways. Lots of games come out and run poorly on the PS4 already.
Multiplayer is another beat entirely. Luckily, big multiplayer games are focusing on good framerate.
Personally, I think this is fucking bullshit. I didn't buy my PS4 thinking that there was going to be a better one released 2 years later. If there is no upgrade or trade in plan they are fucking assholes for this and basically giving the middle finger to 30+ Million people....Way to go.
Sum-Mischief
Member
I look forward to a new Sony Console. Much sooner than expected but I'm cool with it. I dont think this will be a trend. I can't see four year console cycles.
sadly. One the the many reasons I play shooters on console is for the whole equal playing field.
CloudyTuba
Member
If nothing else, I imagine places like Best Buy will have pretty good trade in deals toward the new revision. Like when you could trade in your 360 for a hundred or two off a bone.
Early adopters am cry, I'm not a fan of this. The new PS4k better support HDR10 and DolbyVision. If not, I'm going to be a really hard sell. I'd only consider it if it does everything a good 4k bluray player does since by the end of the year, I'll be interested in one of those anyway. Otherwise not worth it.
Maybe the ps4k could finally get a proper god damn remote, since 4k playback will be one of their selling points. The current ps4 authorized remore is some real shit.
Early adopters am cry, I'm not a fan of this. The new PS4k better support HDR10 and DolbyVision. If not, I'm going to be a really hard sell. I'd only consider it if it does everything a good 4k bluray player does since by the end of the year, I'll be interested in one of those anyway. Otherwise not worth it.
Maybe the ps4k could finally get a proper god damn remote, since 4k playback will be one of their selling points. The current ps4 authorized remore is some real shit.
GlamFM
Banned
Don´t compare the gap between the PS3 and the PS4 to the gap between the PS4 and the PS4K.
It´s not that big at all.
PC is technically the lead and then the reduce down but for Sony 1st party titles, the strongest is always first, unless Sony put something in place to force developers to cater for the lowest first.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I would imagine all design decisions would be based on the minimum spec, so in this case PS4 (or for multi platform games XB1). In another 3-4 years once the next consoles come I guess they'd target PS4K/XB1.5.
I completely agree, I don't really get all the outrage. Assuming that what we know now is accurate, the PS4 will be over 3 years old by the time the PS4K comes out. Even then the games will still work on the original model.
The way I see it, there will be more choices. Games for the most part will still run at 1080p/30 on the PS4 (just like they do now) and hopefully 1080p/60 on the PS4K or with better AA, AF, LOD.
Maybe it's because I have played on PC for the past 25 years and only switched to PS4 18 months ago, but to me it's like people who bough a GTX 780 on day one complaining about the GTX980 being release a year or so later.
I guess I was thinking more about "60fps" games that are really just unlocked framerates -- I'd think maybe those at least would toe the line better. I'd be a much bigger fan if that was the case vs. somehow artificially keeping performance identical on legacy titles.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
it doesn't 'seem' like deal with it
and there's no need for quotes
it's literally deal with it
although I'm not sure that'll happen, I have been convinced since the specs for PS4 and XBone came out that at some point during this generation we'd start down that terrible road of non-native res games running at 28fps average. and as if that wasn't inevitable enough before, giving devs a higher set of specs to target might just be the catalyst.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
If they choose the PS4 as lead platform then the PS4K won't be fully used and people won't see their money's worth. If they choose the PS4K then PS4 ports will suffer because they have a new benchmark in the console space.
CitizenCope
Member
Tell me more about this middle finger.