FiveMinuteHero
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Yep, so the original PS4 is suddenly the beta version, and the PS4K version is to let use play non-4K games as intended... ah the irony
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Yep, so the original PS4 is suddenly the beta version, and the PS4K version is to let use play non-4K games as intended... ah the irony
In what generation every game played fine on console?
Thinking like that you probably still have a Nokia from 2001... iPhones are released every year and they sell a shit ton of units.
Don't know if this will work on consoles though.
Papacheeks
Banned
Yet, we still get amazing games that people praise. Look at Nintendo their IQ isn't the best I'v seen on console, but they understand where a game matters, which is gameplay.
Chasing the IQ rabbit will only bring you back to the sega days,which will ultimatley hurt the industry as a whole.
4k isn't even super widespread content wise. Until tv channels and braodcast actually adopt it it's going to be up to bluray, streaming services, games to give you that.
And making a game in native 4k with the looks of uncharted, is not something developers, console hardware, or consumers are yet sold on.
Wait for PS5, make a ultra bluray option with a upscaler for upscaling output to 4k. That's enough of an option without adding possible factors for developers that would or could split user base.
MADGAME
Member
I agree 1080/60 vs 900/60 isn't an overly significant gap but IMO 1080/60 to 900/30 or worse is.
The PS4 was released with pretty much the highest specs it could have at $399. That was the goal. The 4k would not have been feasible in 2013 and it's only going to be feasible in 2017 because of the evolution of die shrinks and manufacturing processes at AMD.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Imagine a patch for Bloodborne running at 60fps.
Like so many things, you just have to suck it up and buy it if you want it. After that you have to be happy about your purchase and content with what it provides...for a few weeks and then jealousy rears its ugly head.
GamerMax73
Member
Does that make developing games on PC a nightmare? Playstation for the win!
FiveMinuteHero
Member
Some do some don't I guess.
I'm wet.
Papacheeks
Banned
Then why not wait for a full generational period then?
Insane Metal
Gold Member
What?
Well, I'm just saying that FF XV was always to going to be 30 FPS on consoles, right? It still will be, but with the extra grunt of the PS4K, you could play it at a smooth 60 instead. Basically, games will still be the same old 30 FPS you've come to an expect on the old PS4, but on the PS4K they can be 60 FPS. This is what other people were trying to tell me before, but Oi just wasn't listening. To be clear, I'm NOT OK with PS4K running games at 30, while the OG PS4 runs them at 15 or something awful like that. That would be despicable on Sony's and dev's parts, and I don't anyone would stand for it. That doesn't seem like what's happening here, though. Let's hope not, anyway.
Sidewinder
Member
All this talk about trade-ins, I just have to ask: how much did a used PS3 get you in discount towards a new PS4? I never did this, so I'm clueless.
If the answer is 200$, which I highly doubt, I might maybe consider doing that if the PS4.5 releases at 400$ max. So I could at least really enjoy my PSVR with the best possible performance and visuals...but then it'd have to be a considerable upgrade too.
If the answer is 200$, which I highly doubt, I might maybe consider doing that if the PS4.5 releases at 400$ max. So I could at least really enjoy my PSVR with the best possible performance and visuals...but then it'd have to be a considerable upgrade too.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
But but... isn't that what they exactly did already? Now it's time for Xbox 1080
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DirtyLarry
Member
Sheesh. It's like there are so many people here that have never gamed on a PC or something.
PC games perform relative to the hardware in your PC.
Better hardware equals better performance such as higher resolution, more FPS, better Anti Aliasing, larger textures, the list goes on and on.
This really will be no different.
Simply put. It is not the end of the world. It is not the beginning of no more good games on the current PS4. It just means those games will be better on the PS4K. That's it.
Really the biggest issue Sony faces with this decision is marketing to the average consumer. I imagine there will be a very big push on that side with the 4K Capable side of things.
Day 1 purchase for myself whenever it is released. Even if it is $499, that is the price of a single higher end GPU for PC. Something I have and will spend money on again. So I will also spend that on an entire console if it means better performance overall.
PC games perform relative to the hardware in your PC.
Better hardware equals better performance such as higher resolution, more FPS, better Anti Aliasing, larger textures, the list goes on and on.
This really will be no different.
Simply put. It is not the end of the world. It is not the beginning of no more good games on the current PS4. It just means those games will be better on the PS4K. That's it.
Really the biggest issue Sony faces with this decision is marketing to the average consumer. I imagine there will be a very big push on that side with the 4K Capable side of things.
Day 1 purchase for myself whenever it is released. Even if it is $499, that is the price of a single higher end GPU for PC. Something I have and will spend money on again. So I will also spend that on an entire console if it means better performance overall.
Phones it works due to most people not outright buying their phones for the most part but paying monthly fees.
Heck my phone bill is $30 on contract which includes a GS4
Heck even Motorola has a credit system you can sign up for for monthly payments of like $20 for their phones over 2 years.
But feasible mid gen?......
Because Sony wants to promote 4k adoption and sell a PS4 equipped with UHD blu ray and HDR support and in order to do that they would need to release a new model of the PS4 anyway, they're just also including a spec bump.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
The demo felt less than 30FPS, and there was some considerable input lag. Hopefully they will fix it by release.
Uh. Wut. CPU specs was notorious but no one cared so much at the time.
PdotMichael
Banned
Because Sony makes consoles for the target group of not entitled people.
And the shitty production cost developement of modern hardware.
Papacheeks
Banned
Well gamestop and others do promotions to get you in on new consoles. Just recently they were doing double trade-in and double cash bonus.
My old XBox 360 Elite got me 120 bucks with a preorder promo towards PS4. Then as launch got closer I traded in my PS3 slim 120gb and got like 100 bucks for that.
So not bad.
How is wanting them to focus on the product they launched the console/generation with and finish their plan sound like I'm entitled? It's been this way forever, and is the reason they helped get such good will with buyers. They supported the PS1M PS2,PS3 well after their next console launched with great games. They never once advertised a a better product, that showed how inferior the current product was.
That's what this product is doing essentially. Maybe no intentionally, but it's how it will be perceived.
As someone who was gifted a PS4 at launch, any amount of trade-in deal puts me ahead so I'll likely jump in, but I'm not really happy about this development. I'm really concerned with whether MS or Sony knows how to properly implement this kind of release without driving the whole console industry into another crash by driving people away.
I don't think a console market crash would necessarily affect the PC market, but it would probably, in aggregate, cause a large restriction of game budgets and the amount of AAA games development (not necessarily a bad thing for those of us that frequently replay older games anyway and don't really need uber-graphics to feel satisfied I guess).
I don't think a console market crash would necessarily affect the PC market, but it would probably, in aggregate, cause a large restriction of game budgets and the amount of AAA games development (not necessarily a bad thing for those of us that frequently replay older games anyway and don't really need uber-graphics to feel satisfied I guess).
I explained why it was feasible mid gen in the post you quoted.
Spec bump and older games running better... There's the primary issues right there.
Adoption of 4K means very little to nothing to the average consumer. I hear people IN person kinda looking at the TVs questioning the real difference other than prices.
So sony is now a GPU company?
Sony is developping ff15?
Fredrik
Member
Good question.
Look at Apple's customers, some people always wait for the S models of iPhones. Or look at nvidia customers, not everyone owns a 980ti, some sit with a 780ti or older gpu and wait for the pascal cards.
Same here, I assume some people will also wait on the .5 models of Playstations if these upgrades gets the norm, it's just 2-3 years and the launch lineup is usually lackbuster anyway.
But there are also those who always buy the non-S models of iPhones to always be there when the proper generational shifts appear and then never bother with the S models of iPhone. And I assume that there will also be those who never bother with the .5 models of Playstation for the same reason.
Then we have those who buy both the non-S and S models, and both the 780ti and 980ti, and I'm sure there will be those who buy PS4, PS4K, PS5, PS5.5 etc too.
It certainly works for Apple and nvidia, but iPhones and PCs are forward- and backwards-compatible though and I think Sony will need to get that aspect right on Playstation too for this to work without the outrage we see here, if you know that your games will keep on working and just get better and better with every upgrade then you'll be able to jump in on the next iteration of the hardware whenever you feel like it.
But in the other hand we'll be getting 3-4 years between upgrades. Not every year I supose.
And probably half the price of top of the line smarthphones
bearythebear
Member
I got a PS4 to make sure I can play the new stuff without worrying about upgrading. This is lame..
So you wouldn't be satisfied with FFXV at a stable 30FPS on PS4K?
I think people expecting 60fps are going to be disappointed.
Tarin02543
Member
All I can say is, interesting times are ahead.
Some of these teams seem to have boxed themselves in by only focusing on AAA efforts (i.e. almost all of them). There really should have been some effort to have more frequent output of mid-tier games from the 1st parties from the very start.
No one is getting a "fully baked" vr experience for quite awhile yet. Not from any VR solution. We're basically in the 8-bit/16-bit stages of what VR can be.Peltz said:
Full tonga is capable of 4k 30fps
PdotMichael
Banned
Sony is a hardware company, yes.
Definitely, though I didn't forget. PC graphics didn't have a unified shader architecture until the release of 8800 GTX in late 2006 and Radeon HD 2900 in early 2007. I don't think it was until Crysis in late 2007 that PC gaming would completely outshine consoles again, a full 2 years after 360's release.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I am sure that "arrangements" can be done.
Give me the ole 6 years treatment and ill be happy. 3-4 is looking more like they're rushing a new unit out.
And smart phone prices dont seem like much when people are conditioned into being screwed over by the phone industry. I actually like companies like OnePlus and Motorola for making high end phones for like $400 and as I said you can pay over time with motorola.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Why? All your games will still work, and no exclusive titles are being developed, so you aren't missing out on any games, and games will be at the same graphical fidelity you expected out of your PS4.
This is like saying you are going to stop buying console games that are also on the PC because knowing there is a better version out there somewhere completely ruins the game for you.
My advice to you then, is buy a PC.
It in fact does bother me if there is a better version, because I like to play the closest thing to the developers vision. That's why I own XBO, PS4, Vita, N3DS, PC, Vive/Rift and soon PSVR and PS4K as well as XBOPF.
That way I don't miss out on the best version of anything.
GlamFM
Banned
Guess what - you still can play the new stuff without updating.
With considerable sacrifices.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yet still playable in a proper state
Beerman462
Member
I think they have to make it look different. I really like the current design though. Maybe PS4K looks the same and the regular PS4 gets smaller.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Shocking news.
I don't get people that are acting like their PS4 will suddenly stop functioning or cease to be supported. Every major release is going to release on your PS4, it will just possibley look a lot better if you pay more money for a PS4K.
It's not going to magically look worse on your PS4 than it would if the 4K didn't exist. You are still getting he experience and opportunity you were told you would when you bought your PS4. There is just now a higher tier option for hose who value the graphical fidelity.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Let's say it is (I disagree) , it also has an average power consumption of 200watts
There is no way they would release a ps4k in early 2017 and still have it be on 28nm, that would be really dumb and really pointless.
If they wanted to release ps4 with a 200w 28nm GCN gpu they could have done so in 2013.
Same exact sacrifices that are being made currently in every ps4 game
A ps4k existing does not make the ps4 less or more powerful.
No matter what game you play , no matter on what hardware, it's always a pile of compromise and sacrifices and there is always something better possible on better hardware.