THE:MILKMAN
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X=10, Phil said he wants to move forward in big numbers.....Xbox One to Xbox 10= big jump in numbers. Simple!
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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X=10, Phil said he wants to move forward in big numbers.....Xbox One to Xbox 10= big jump in numbers. Simple!
That's all speculations & it could be a Xbox tablet as far anyone outside of the company know.
And this gen is far from doom it's going to last about 8 to 10 years.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Xbox X or 10, Windows 10 (X) Xbox neXt. I see what you did here! XD
Jacksinthe
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":.::.xX___Xb0x--n3Xt___Xx.::.:"
I really dislike the capitalization of the X in Next. Reminds me of "I can't pick the name I want so I'll use letters, numbers, symbols and make sure to put a bunch of Xs and underscores in my name. I'll stand out this way"
pixellated_man
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In the scenario you outline above my guess is that a lot of people (including Me) would buy one of the competing devices and switch all their multiplatform purchases to that device. I was going to get an xbox anyway. If I own both the regular ps4 and xbox 1.5, why should I settle for the lesser option when I own a console which offers the better experience?
I think Sony realise this and that figures into their decision to release this upgraded sku.
-ImaginaryInsider
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I don't think anyone is really claiming this is definitive launch information, personally I don't think Sony has it all figured out yet. Osiris is pulling from not only the meeting he attended, but from other people as well, it is possible they may be better placed and know a bit more.
Intel has been doing this for a decade now with their tick tock cycle. Tick is the new architecture, tock is the die shrink. Call it a mid generation refresh.
Would be surprising if that were the title since NeXT trademark is owned by Apple.
jeff_rigby
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Good Find but it can be miss-understood.
Is this a new game console (NX?) and possibly a iMAC APU?
PS4 sales was up last quarter & we haven't got the numbers for Jan,Feb & Mar yet where are you getting this information that says that PS4 sales are down last quarter?
http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/5/10717142/ps4-lifetime-sales-35-9-million-holiday-2015
I haven't chimed in yet, but I think a PS4.5 is a mistake that, along with PSVR, will lead to a dilution of Sony's resources as it struggles to support multiple platforms.
I think a "PS4K" that simply adds UHD Blu-ray playback and 4K upscaling, or even builds in the dongle box for PSVR, makes more sense.
I think a "PS4K" that simply adds UHD Blu-ray playback and 4K upscaling, or even builds in the dongle box for PSVR, makes more sense.
Well when you look at the jump between the Trey to the Quad the difference isn't THAT big. So it would be naive to think SONY didn't have something along the lines of a PlayStation with 4K power
In my opinion announce ps4.5 this year could be a big error. I would wait to see significant sales slowdown before start such operation if I was Sony. I don't think rush the things when you have the lead it's exactly a wise move.
Agreed. Why not just release a slim PS4 with an UHD bluray player and HDMI 2.2 output during E3.
You think it make more sense for a 4K console not to have 4K games?
This is one of the smartest moves Sony could make right now, 4K is a big thing right now & if Sony can drive home the fact that PS4K is the best way to get the most out of your 4K TV all while not having to go through with a restart of a generation to make this transition into 4K gaming this will be a success. it even shuts out the competition if they are not prepared to make a move like this.
4k is a big deal for the vocal enthusiast crowd. Not so much in the majority though.
Sidewinder
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I was quite sceptical to say the least about that mid gen PS4 upgrade and thought this would be a very risky move for Sony and their PS brand, without many opportunities to make it a winning move.
But posts by onQ123 amongst others made me less sceptical, because of that 4K living room strategy, but I've got to ask, is that really such a big market? Does anybody care about 4K TVs compared to FullHD sets? Has blu-ray even outclassed the DVD in sales? UHD BDs will be even less important I'm sure. Many people dreaming of 4K streams??
I somehow doubt it, yeah most TVs sold from now on will probably be UHD, because that's all that is on the shelves, but what about the content? Are all getting tears of joy in their eyes at the thought of 4K stuff? Or do most not really care about it?
But posts by onQ123 amongst others made me less sceptical, because of that 4K living room strategy, but I've got to ask, is that really such a big market? Does anybody care about 4K TVs compared to FullHD sets? Has blu-ray even outclassed the DVD in sales? UHD BDs will be even less important I'm sure. Many people dreaming of 4K streams??
I somehow doubt it, yeah most TVs sold from now on will probably be UHD, because that's all that is on the shelves, but what about the content? Are all getting tears of joy in their eyes at the thought of 4K stuff? Or do most not really care about it?
-ImaginaryInsider
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There were around 5-6 million UHD owners at the end of 2015, it is predicted to be in 50% of homes by 2020, that's a pretty significant shift to UHD in a short period of time. With that in view, Sony getting their foot in the door a bit early with a PS4k revision doesn't seem so crazy.
Crimson_Gold
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Better to be proactive than reactionary. People will get it for the UHD and gaming functions. Sony's media offerings will benefit from this
TheLegendOfMart
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I am gay, I am well aware of LGBTQ+ issues in my own and many other countries.
CosmicQueso
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I'm eyeing the VPL-VW665ES ($10k on eBay), as an upgrade for my 120" 1080p Epson.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yep. It is also giving the technology time to mature for the next generation to be a big enough jump/cost effective.
Add me to the list as of last week. Went out to get a 1080p set, came home with a 4K Sony XBR, because the sales are just too good now compared to a year or even 6 months ago. And they are only going to dip more in the next 6 months.
4K will be mainstream pricing very soon (a lot of makers and off brands are already in the large size $300 range), and the 1080p sets are all considered "entry level" for TV makers (like 720p) once was, minus the OLED of course.
Thus why Sony no longer classifies 1080p in XBR anymore and even though the W800 is a phenomenal set (every bit as good as the XBR line, and technically is parts wise), they are now considered "entry".
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Not sure but Netflix has some minor 4K content. In the UK though, Sky are launching theor 4K service this year for customers on the Sky Q Silver package. I'm planning to get a 4K set to coincide with this as hopefully not long after PS4K will be coming out.
I don't think Sky would be launching the 4K package without there being substantial content for it. In saying that, I'd like to see all channels in HD at a minimum. Non HD on LCD/LED TV's looks horrid.
jeff_rigby
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Sorry, by mistake I put PS4 sales when I meant APU sales. I read AMD sales to Sony for the PS4 APU were down last quarter. Sony buys chips for the holiday season 3 months before the holiday season. APU sales the last quarter of 2015/first of 2016 is for Console sales the second quarter of 2016 which is the traditional slow period. This time it's projected slower than this time last year.
Point being that the year will be greater than 2015 for some reason even with the slow projected sales the first half year. We both know why.
No it's everyday people talking about 4K right now & it will be even more people talking about it when PS4K comes out.
I see this as another case of the "synergy" between Sony's business units forcing the console business into something that may hurt it. (See PS3, Blu-ray, and "$599.")
A PS4K that plays 4K Blu-rays makes sense for Sony as a way to drive sales of 4K TVs and the improved console. It would also be good for current owners of 4K TVs. But I think splitting the player base into "vanilla" PS4 and enhanced PS4K gamers is an unnecessary risk, particularly if the 4K console's benefits carry over to PSVR.
Edited for clarity.
Wind's Howling
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4K isn't nearly as big as you believe it is. It will probably take another 5 years before it is wildly accepted as 1080p is now.
CosmicQueso
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Depends on the territory. But who cares? When the X360 and PS3 launched, HDTVs were just getting started too. Turns out it was good for those two consoles to output to the HD resolutions. And the Wii not having HD output was one of the causes of that system's decline.
A well thought out, detailed and interesting counter argument.
Marty Chinn
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Hah, no.
Wind's Howling
Member
I agree but people see the PS4K as the new path to stimulate consumers to buy 4K TV's and that is definitely not going to happen.
This rumored console will probably not even be strong enough to play games in that resolution. Twice as powerful just does not cut it if you want to keep the same graphical fidelity, let alone it having better textures and what not. High end GPU's cost twice as much as the PS4 and even those have issues.
The sooner people realize this, the better.
Always-honest
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Yeah, no way. Just for movies and maybe, just maybe small psn games.
Dr. Zoidberg
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A lot of people don't care about blu-ray and still don't. People like my wife can't tell the difference when it is obvious to me. Doesn't mean we should not pursue better resolution, especially as the average screen size increases over time.
Like most other standards, 4K is a chicken/egg scenario. In the TV thread, there are always a few people that say "Don't bother with Sony's 4K sets! There's not enough content yet!". On the other hand you have Sony increasing availability of 4K content with the new PS4 model and it's "Fuck Sony! I don't want to buy a 4K TV!" People will complain until it becomes the norm. Sony's just trying to help the transition along using Playstation like they always have. At least this time you can choose to stay where you are for now.
Yeah, it's mainly for movies, obviously. But if they can get UHD Blu-Ray players in people's hands through the Playstation trojan horse, then they believe they can help speed up adoption.
Like most other standards, 4K is a chicken/egg scenario. In the TV thread, there are always a few people that say "Don't bother with Sony's 4K sets! There's not enough content yet!". On the other hand you have Sony increasing availability of 4K content with the new PS4 model and it's "Fuck Sony! I don't want to buy a 4K TV!" People will complain until it becomes the norm. Sony's just trying to help the transition along using Playstation like they always have. At least this time you can choose to stay where you are for now.
Yeah, it's mainly for movies, obviously. But if they can get UHD Blu-Ray players in people's hands through the Playstation trojan horse, then they believe they can help speed up adoption.
The difference is that all versions of the PS3 and 360 encouraged take-up of HDTVs. If you wanted to play current-gen games you had no choice but to pick a console (other than the Wii, obviously) that supported HD output. In this case the PS4K is not the only current gen console you have to pick to play the latest games.
Marty Chinn
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That's some weird revisionist thinking that the Wii's decline was due to the lack of HD output. The market that the Wii catered too was the least likely to care about HD. In fact, you could tell them the Wii was HD and they'd probably believe it. The Wii had a nice successful run and it's decline is more attributed to the the audience's purchasing behavior and moving on to other things.
CosmicQueso
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True, but you're only looking at this in the context of games, and not in terms of 4k Blu-Ray and other media features.
It's not revisionist. And I didn't say it was the only or primary cause. However, in 2010 on, the tail of the Wii was cut quite short, in part because it no longer supported resolutions of the televisions more people had in their homes. Many analysts were speculating a Wii HD would come out in that period that would have extended the cycle.
And yeah, the audience changed purchasing behavior and moved on to other things partially because the Wii became an outdated console. There were also other factors, certainly. But a 480p console wasn't cutting it in 2011.
In any case, the only reason that is relatable to what's going on with a potential PS4K is that Sony will at least have a version of the console that will scale to that resolution (potentially) and play 4k media content to support those sets that are being adopted quite quickly now and whose adoption will only accelerate over the holiday period this year.
Marty Chinn
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It had nothing to do with the lack of HD output though. It's not a reason the Wii declined. The bulk of the user base did not care. The audiences purchasing behavior showed that the casuals didn't buy that many games. Many bought up front and never bought again. So while the user base was huge, it was significantly front loaded in many ways. So without those people actually buying more software, that was the primary reason it declined. Combined with the mobile market taking off, those people's attention shifted to those devices where they could play cheap, inexpensive, casual games. The lack of HD, or the console being outdated had nothing to do with the decline.
CosmicQueso
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Your whole post is an absolute mess with a number of assertions made with no basis in fact. But hey, if that's what you want to believe, go for it.
Marty Chinn
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Says the person who is putting way too much weight on resolution. The mass market doesn't really care as much as the hardcore and tech enthusiasts. If people cared, Blu Ray would be doing better. If people cared, they wouldn't have been satisfied with buying a HDTV, watching SD content on it and thinking it was HD. People don't care that much about the resolution other than a buzz word or check mark on a list of features. It's always been this way and to say that part of the Wii's decline was the lack of HD is a failure to understand this and the real reasons the Wii declined even though it had a good run. Simply saying my post is a mess just sounds like you have no way to dispute what I said or support what you said.
Here's support for my claims:
I'd put it at
3. PS4 with 4K UHD Bluray playback and more powerful hardware for $450, OG price reduced to $299 with lots of bundles.
Sorry, 4K gaming hopefuls.
gamerforever
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Just think if will play 4k movies and the ability to output games in 4k, but i don'g think games will look different in it apart from having a 4k option.
Sony arenmt stupid enough fo bring out a new generation.
Sony arenmt stupid enough fo bring out a new generation.
That prediction is insane. I think they must have said that to pressure people into buying them and not falling behind the curve.
geordiemp
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It has to be 2 as the premium console HAS to be a step up from Ps4 to be worth it.
If the CPU is gimped, its a waste of effort and not many will upgrade.
potatohead
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It's getting adopted faster than HDTV, which did not drop in price nearly as fast early on, at least that's what it sounds like.
4K televisions are already sub-1000 bucks in USA.