Ganzlinger
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The only plot change I want is to be able to save Jessie. :/
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FF7 Remake looking at FFXIII saga as model for release, possible plot changes
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Skellig Gra
Member
Yes that would be a very long shot lol.
I don't know about this entire FF7 game plan. I felt they unnecessarily made the job harder for themselves on this when the fans really just wanted a graphical facelift.
But I guess being ambitious can be a good thing, let's just hope they don't bite off more than they can chew.
But I guess being ambitious can be a good thing, let's just hope they don't bite off more than they can chew.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Valid point, but I understand why they wouldnt want to spend another chunk of thier lives remaking a game they've already made again.
Plus theres the added bonus of the original game notbecoming obsolete after this releases.
SweetJohnnyCage
Member
As long as the world is fully exploreable in the 3rd game, they can do whatever they want with the splits.
You pinpoint exactly what my only real fear has been about this broken up in 3 games remake: that the world will never be fully hollistic and accessible but instead permanently broken up in parts that only one specific game disc will give access to.
The sceptic in me has a feeling that they might not want to move forward all areas from "disc" to "disc" (and add new ones on top of that) since this might give some people a good reason to skip to "disc"/game 3 since they'll arguably only miss out on the story beats from the early areas like Midgar, not on actually exploring them and using the shops etc.
Maybe they'll restructure the game so that it becomes more of a FFXV style road movie where only certain locations, like the Gold Saucer, will be freely re-accessible in all games but some are closed off because of (new to the remake) story developments? It will certainly be interesting to see how this remake will develop.
tifa was first
No, but seriously, people scared about "crazy" changes on the level of reversing the actual major plot points of the original game should not worry. Nomura has stated himself that the fundamental FF7 lore was essential to understanding the world view...they are going to have it conform to compilation more than anything is my guess
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
No, see my point isn't that they are making major plot changes. My point is the story will not be identical to the original, hence 3 parts. I was never trying to say things were going to be completely different, just not the same exact point-for-point story as the first time.
Daffy Duck
Member
I have no idea what this news means, I only played FF7, hated 8 and never paid attention to games after that so this FFXIII news makes no sense to me
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Imagine if they had a story that continued across 3 games. Each released a couple years apart.
A trilogy, if you will.
That's all this means. It really has nothing to do with XIII except that was a previous FF that spanned 3 parts.
timetokill
Banned
My guess is there will be a lot less "optional" or missable content. They'll just focus on the critical path of the game and stuff will be moved into it or cut entirely.
You WILL get Vincent. You WILL get Yuffie. etc. You won't be able to miss them.
You WILL get Vincent. You WILL get Yuffie. etc. You won't be able to miss them.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
It's also likely you'll be forced to do Vincent's backstory and go to Wutai.
Saint of Killers
Member
nvm.
JuanLatino
Member
am i allowed to dream?
I thought that was a 3D render but it's just a concept art when I enlarged it. Still looks good tho.
Icyflamez96
Member
20 hours on your first playthrough... wat
Ya, that's what I've been assuming. There's no way they're going to go through the effort of making Wutai in HD and then keep it an optional area.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Phoenix down revives someone from knockout. Aerith was stabbed and killed so it won't work on her. I think that's the explanation. She's also a major plot point.
NoSkillz187
Member
I don't believe you beat this game in 20 hours, killing all the Weapons on your first play through. Sorry.
I mean, it takes almost 10 hours to do a non-warp glitch speedrun of the game, so 20 seems pretty unreasonable.
It took me 20 hours to get the Platinum trophy on PS4 with all of the cheats enabled (including 3x speed), mashing X through all the text, and already knowing exactly where everything in the game is and how to get it.
I figure 25-30 hours is about the absolute fastest a genre veteran can do a normal playthrough of just the story, skipping out on almost all of the sidequests. Most people probably get closer to 40, and for people who played it as their first RPG ever in 1997, probably well above 50.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
If they mean for all 3 games that would be pretty fast. Even with reused assets/mechanics it still takes most AAA developers 4 years to make a game.
NoSkillz187
Member
I was going to say only way this could be possible on a first playthough is if you skipped most of the text. But even then you wouldn't know where to go exactly, if you did that with it being your first time and all. So he must be mis-remembering that play time. lol.
This post is kinda laughable. How, exactly, is this a superficial? This is probably the most ambitious, thorough remake of any video game ever that goes beyond just upgrading graphics (which would be the definition of superficial). People have asked for a FFVII remake that is like the PS3 tech demo and this is pretty much the only way that people are going to get anything even REMOTELY close to what people dreamed after seeing that. A game that looks like this also needs to modernize a lot of its design aspects (i.e. offer more expansive environments instead of small rooms connected by loading screens, meaning Midgar alone will need to be far bigger than it was in the original PS1 game). This can't just be FFVII except with PS4 level graphics. This needs to be a PS4 level & PS4 era game through & through and that means that the world of FFVII will be expanded to many, MANY times bigger than what it was originally, which means it would be insane to try to do that with just one game.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't they imply they are working with multiple partners & CC2 is the main partner for Part 1. Another development partner can start work on part 2 while CC2 is still in the middle of Part 1 and be quite far into Part 2's development by the time Part 1 is released. Assuming they don't overhaul gameplay between each installment, it should be possible for them to start moving ahead with the development of all the parts more or less concurrently once they've nailed the basic gameplay & other parts.
Pray do tell what has been fucked up?
Bruh, I don't believe you beat it in 20 hours unless you literally skipped through everything.
Their logic I assume
Nomura f*ing up?
huh?
potatohead
Member
There's literally no way to beat the game and beat all weapons in 20 hours.
Ultima Weapon alone maybe but there's no way you beat Emerald and Ruby in 20 hours and still finished the game.
At least as far as I know. Maybe with cheating I guess.
I imagine they have some people working on part 2 and even part 3, considering they contracted multiple dev teams in addition to CC2. The main focus is probably on part one, then when that's finished the focus turns to part two. Maybe they'll be able to have each part be done without not too long from each other.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Bullshit.
If you played the PS4 version with all the cheats on, maybe. Even then 20 hours to beat all the WEAPONS and complete the game is suspect.
Mechanized
Member
I kinda flipped out at them for changing the battle system on reveal, but more and more as I try to go back to the old games... I can't. I just can't. They're too old, and frankly, pretty bad. Turn based died for a reason. It's slow and it sucks. The only evolution ATB got was in Bravely Default which modernized things to be playable, tactical, and fun. Even in my favorite game FF6 you can break things immediately by power leveling or using certain gear or spells. Otherwise it's a slog through an ok story, at best.
So I'm all for them updating things and making the game playable, and the story more comprehensible/less juvenile, in 2016. Or 17, whenever it comes out. Square dialogue has always been trash though, so I hope they work on that. The pseudo-intellectual navel gazing horseshit is just too much for me.
So I'm all for them updating things and making the game playable, and the story more comprehensible/less juvenile, in 2016. Or 17, whenever it comes out. Square dialogue has always been trash though, so I hope they work on that. The pseudo-intellectual navel gazing horseshit is just too much for me.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I just hope you can still breed a Gold Chocobo to get KotR, Attach Pheonix and Final Attack Materia, and Morph Master Tonberry into Ribbons for the whole party. All of that will probably not be in the game unfortunately.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
FF VII is my favorite game of all time. i have finished the game many, many times, and I think I never have done so in less than 20 hours. Much less beating all the weapons.
Anyways, I think the people that are worrying about the world being limited by the game becoming a trilogy are really underestimating just how larger every place will feel fully realized on the PS4.
As long as every installment feels large in scope, fully explorable and well paced, it should be enjoyable as a full game that stands by it's own. Much like Mass Effect, which is trilogy in which every game felt sustantive enough yet still part of a single continuous story.
Anyways, I think the people that are worrying about the world being limited by the game becoming a trilogy are really underestimating just how larger every place will feel fully realized on the PS4.
As long as every installment feels large in scope, fully explorable and well paced, it should be enjoyable as a full game that stands by it's own. Much like Mass Effect, which is trilogy in which every game felt sustantive enough yet still part of a single continuous story.
I'm sure George Lucas had the same thought process when he made the special editions. Glad that didn't backfire.
Anyway, as long as they keep the general tone of the original intact and don't make stupid changes like
being able to save Aerith
I'm also really glad to see the episodic thing really means full fledged games and we can expect the game to be done in a reasonable amount of sequels, like a trilogy instead of something ridiculous like 7 episodes. Still really pumped for this remake.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Only thing that looks out of place is the save point, but damn, a realistic Wutai like that would rock.
The avatar checks out, the username is really throwing me for a loop.
I can see Episode 1 being all Midgar, if it was around 20 hours.
All they really need is to expand it with a few more areas and have a bit more exposition.
So here's what we have in the original game:
-Opening Bombing Mission
-Sector 7 Slums/Tifa's Bar
-Sector 5 Reactor
-Sector 5/Aeris' house
-Wall Market
-Sewers/Train Graveyard
-Plate Drop & aftermath
-Shinra Building
-Escape from Midgar
Here's some possible additions/changes:
-More time in Sector 7 before the Sector 5 reactor. Flesh out slums life a bit before we jump right into another reactor mission. I think this would be a good change. Let me be clear - I'm talking having an extra hour or two of gameplay at this point with more stuff to do in the area.
-Big change - CITY ABOVE THE PLATE. I have no idea if you get to explore the above plate world in Crisis Core or Dirge, but I think it'd be a great addition to the Midgar part of FFVII. Make it so when you climb to reach the Shinra Tower, you come out in a completely different area. A plate top town. And you get to see how the people are reacting. It's probably better if this leads into a more thoroughly planned version of breaking into the Shinra HQ than just walking in the door.
-Introduce Sephiroth earlier. I think they can intersperse the earlier parts with more references to him. When we get into Shinra HQ, either have everyone actually witness him killing President Shinra, or see him shortly afterwards.
-Intersperse the Kalm exposition a bit earlier, or perhaps even end the episode with a condensed version of it. It doesn't necessarily need to happen in Kalm. It could be that we encounter Sephiroth on the escape from Midgar and that prompts some flashbacks to end the game as everyone ventures out of the city.
Obviously they can do more by just having totally new left field stuff here and there too. The type of changes I've mentioned could easily add about 5 hours or so and that's without shaking things up much.
All they really need is to expand it with a few more areas and have a bit more exposition.
So here's what we have in the original game:
-Opening Bombing Mission
-Sector 7 Slums/Tifa's Bar
-Sector 5 Reactor
-Sector 5/Aeris' house
-Wall Market
-Sewers/Train Graveyard
-Plate Drop & aftermath
-Shinra Building
-Escape from Midgar
Here's some possible additions/changes:
-More time in Sector 7 before the Sector 5 reactor. Flesh out slums life a bit before we jump right into another reactor mission. I think this would be a good change. Let me be clear - I'm talking having an extra hour or two of gameplay at this point with more stuff to do in the area.
-Big change - CITY ABOVE THE PLATE. I have no idea if you get to explore the above plate world in Crisis Core or Dirge, but I think it'd be a great addition to the Midgar part of FFVII. Make it so when you climb to reach the Shinra Tower, you come out in a completely different area. A plate top town. And you get to see how the people are reacting. It's probably better if this leads into a more thoroughly planned version of breaking into the Shinra HQ than just walking in the door.
-Introduce Sephiroth earlier. I think they can intersperse the earlier parts with more references to him. When we get into Shinra HQ, either have everyone actually witness him killing President Shinra, or see him shortly afterwards.
-Intersperse the Kalm exposition a bit earlier, or perhaps even end the episode with a condensed version of it. It doesn't necessarily need to happen in Kalm. It could be that we encounter Sephiroth on the escape from Midgar and that prompts some flashbacks to end the game as everyone ventures out of the city.
Obviously they can do more by just having totally new left field stuff here and there too. The type of changes I've mentioned could easily add about 5 hours or so and that's without shaking things up much.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
Shadow is my favorite character
FF VI is right there with VII. Outstanding game as well.
Shadow is my favorite character
FF VI is right there with VII. Outstanding game as well.
They're my two favorites, I get you.
I've always been an Edgar guy, though.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Nah, it's good that he's not introduced at that point. It wouldn't be a bad thing if he wasn't introduced until the end of part 1 (if it concludes with the Junon/ship Jevonva battle, for instance) or in part 2.
Nomura f*ing up?
Did you not think that post through exactly?
I dont see the controversy...they seem to be doing exactly what we want them to do, making a new version of FF7. I want to see what they can do going all out
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I think introducing Sephiroth earlier takes away from the buildup to his initial unveiling. Having his sword stuck through the President's body be the only evidence Cloud needs to see to know it's him is a very powerful mark for Sephiroth's character. Having him appear in the flashback for the first time helps solidify his strength when one of the very first actions we see him take is killing a dragon.
Rather than changing where the flashback conversation happens, I actually think it would be better to add some character interaction scenes on the way to Kalm. In the original game the player can divide the party the way they want and it's implied they split up to meet back at Kalm. Perhaps in the remake we can see both sides travel along the way to reach Kalm and get more bonding and reflection moments. They could even throw in an additional sidequest or exploratory area along the way.
potatohead
Member
Nice post, very thoughtful.
Not to mention that each 60$ part will be around only 30 hours. Other companies can put out a full length rpg in less time then ffxv. How many tales of games alone have come out in durring ffxv development time? Your telling me you can even release a remake as a single game in less then 10 years?