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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Would depend on the clock too, which we don't know. We just have a ~15-30% gains metric with whatever the current clocks are....
Not impossible, since those gains don't sound like "just upclocked Jaguar" but it could be a Puma+, though I don't know if that gives you a potential 30% gain..
Schnozberry
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There has been a bit of a price war between Samsung and TSMC that may have allowed Nintendo some extra breathing room for negotiation. There were rumors of Samsung offering steep 14nm discounts flying around as early as October of 2015.
Given that AMD was desperate for revenue, Nintendo could have been negotiating at the right time to get a fixed cost for a number of usable chips rather than playing the wafer lottery. Without an expensive gamepad level gimmick, they might have also had more money allocated to chip development. There are plenty of plausible reasons why they could have ended up at 14nm.
Vanillalite
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I can see how this goes.
Hype train leaves the station cause of the 14nm talk.
Info comes in that is 45nm like Wii U, and it's one of the most epic hype train details on GAF of all time. LoL
Hype train leaves the station cause of the 14nm talk.
Info comes in that is 45nm like Wii U, and it's one of the most epic hype train details on GAF of all time. LoL
Exterminieren
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Regardless of whether they're going 14nm or not (even if they were launching next year, I'm not convinced Nintendo would bite), I can't see any credible reason to expect the NX to launch next year at this point. It's been pretty obvious that it's coming in 2016 for months now, and it's only been getting more so with every credible bit of information we get.
Nah, it ain't nearly that powerful.
Everything we've heard and so many other hints are for a 2016 release. Why are you so much in team 2017 XD
#team2016
at least in the West
double0cinco
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Also if Nintendo is going with an even more cut down version of Baffin, for example, with even more disabled CU's, that would improve yields further correct?
Question. Let's say NX is the specs I kinda guestimated (under hope lol)
Would you guys be ok with a late 2017 release if this is what we had waiting for us?
CPU...4 core a72 arm couple with 2 core a53 at 2.0ghz bigLittle combo. 6 cores total
NX gpu 14nm finFET polaris gpu. 950mhz 3 teraflops
Sorry meant to type A53 not A57.
Would you guys be ok with a late 2017 release if this is what we had waiting for us?
CPU...4 core a72 arm couple with 2 core a53 at 2.0ghz bigLittle combo. 6 cores total
NX gpu 14nm finFET polaris gpu. 950mhz 3 teraflops
Sorry meant to type A53 not A57.
Enough of the 14nm chips. Assume it's not happening and you can't be disappointed!
Schnozberry
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Presuming this is a semi-custom APU, I'm not sure how much room for failure they will have. These aren't going to be binned chips where they can salvage partial failures.
I can't wait any longer than until the end of this year.
If it releases next year I'm pulling my hair out.
I want my NX right this god damn minute.
I'm not really sure what difference those specs would make anyways. I don't think it represents a generational leap over PS4. It's probably more important for Nintendo to jump into this gen of hardware as soon as possible.
Schnozberry
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A72 and A57 cores are far too similar to put on the same APU. If they are going BIG.little it will be with A72 and A53 cores.
I simply don't believe Nintendo could make a system that fast. They were still looking for a main gpu architect in late 2014. The amount of stress testing they do i just don't see it launching this year. Even the wiiu gpu was in devlopement for 4 years.
Schnozberry, that is actually what I meant. My bad.
I could wait till Spring, but Fall would be crazy.
Fourth Storm
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It sounds alot like an upclocked Jaguar/Puma architecture to me--say 2.0-2.2 Ghz. Zen is supposed to offer better performance than Excavator at the same clocks, so unless it's clocked remarkably slow, it doesn't match up. I'm not sure about ARM Cortex A72 or Cortex A57, though.
A late 2017 release means one year closer to XB2/PS5 release as well. Or whatever they have cooked up.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's pointless to combine A57 and A72. That's like combining bobcats and jaguars.
Schnozberry
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Enough of the 14nm chips. Assume it's not happening and you can't be disappointed!
It's probably best to assume it's not happening until we hear from the horse's mouth.
double0cinco
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Oh yeah, good point. But I guess they could be going with a smaller custom config, to try to avoid some of those yield issues compared to a full sized baffin.
That may still give them performance on par or better than ps4, while affording future cost savings as the node matures.
And all, let's remember that 14nm doesn't necessarily mean this thing will be a monster beasr from the east performance wise.
For those confused about 14nm and if it's a good thing or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3eQejGJ_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3eQejGJ_A
Not clocked low. Just clock it to the same as a Jaguar in the PS4/X1.
Fourth Storm
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True, but 28nm also has strong reasons in its favor--especially if there is truth to the rumors that Nintendo were looking to sell 10-20 million units within the first year, as Digitimes reported. Nintendo may be trying to cater more to western consumers with the NX console (that's tbd), but releasing a bulky set top box has never been their style. Something's got to give. PS4 is basically as small as it gets, and they crank the fans up in order for that form factor to work.
I'd imagine Zen would outperform Jaguar at the same clock, though we've yet to see proper benchmarks.
Do you think that the PS4k is really the PS5 in disguise, then? Because that's definitely gonna be 14nmFF if the rumors are true.
On another note, crazy idea that Nintendo (or Sony, or Microsoft) could do to get 14nmFF a little earlier and push prices down like crazy in the first year but definitely won't: Create an APU and allow AMD to use the design in a consumer product a few months down the line. Think about it. Nintendo could put out a quad-core Zen APU with a 16CU 4th gen GCN (Polaris) GPU without even having to disable CUs, since the ones with bad CUs could just be used during the Zen APU launch. I'm not really sure how feasible this is because I honestly haven't looked into APUs all that much, and if an APU is basically just an MCM this is pretty much useless bunk. It also might require use of DDR4, which would be a pretty big issue. Does anyone know if there's a difference between DDR4 and LPDDR4 controllers? Though, something like this might even make 1-2GB of HBM2 viable as a large cache.
Chances are that none of this is possible (and might even be a huge risk that literally leads to console hardware piracy), but it would be pretty cool. If it could happen, I'm sure AMD would have already pitched it.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Oh, you don't have to image that - even if only half of what AMD claim were true.
Could you elaborate on your tweet? Especially the "y'all thought i was joking" part... does that mean you have a credible source then?
LOL Nah it was just an educated guess. Polaris is exactly the thing Nintendo would want in a console. Low power consumption and very powerful.
Ok, thanks.
After you've lowered your expectations, you'll probably need to lower them again after that.
Interfectum
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NX powered by 3DS GPU
It really is, but I'm not sure if it's possible. Given what we know, a lot things we've heard would have to be false. They'd want to stick as close to off-the-shelf as possible, and since PS4k is almost definitely using a custom Polaris 11 on an APU NX would be on par with PS4k if they were going 14nm (they'd actually have to put effort into being slower). Well, unless they base it on an upcoming Zen APU like I said before.
Why ya gotta bring us down, man?
BELIEVE
This is almost definitely not happening in the PS4K.
What makes you say that? The rumor says that the PS4k's APU is smaller and about twice as fast. Polaris 10 is too big, so that only really leaves Polaris 11 or something very custom (like a die shrunk GCN 1.1 with more CUs and higher clocks than PS4's GPU.
LordOfChaos
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I really want to fight this notion that people seem to have that x86 = instant BC.
Look, the PS4 has an API called GNM that lets you get down to GPU register and buffer granularity. Moving to Polaris would mean anything written in GNM is not compatible with the PS4K. Is that something you think they'd do?
If the PS4K is even a thing, the GPU will have to look just like the old one on old (old being 2 years now I guess...) games. With maybe a flag for new GPU features on new games. Polaris probably would not do that, scaling up the current GPU while shrinking to 14nm transistors may if there's a flag to toggle new GPU extended areas.
By the way, GNMX games may get along with Polaris just fine, but I'd hope anyone pushing a performance heavy game is using GNM.
Yes... and whats the problem with said much simpler, more logical conclusion? This is coming from the company that claimed "supercharged PC architecture". I treat their jargon as bullshit until they actually provide real objects. And they want your money, not expensive, potentially supply limited technology.
They aren't changing the GPU GCN and re-writing their API.
Why ya gotta bring us down, man?
BELIEVE
We've been believing for 15 years. Gotta learn better eventually.
Schnozberry
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The PS4K thread is off the rails talking about Zen and Polaris. It makes no sense to take a successful product like the PS4 and introduce something a few years later that burns your existing player base and makes developing for the platform more complicated.
They risk making an orphaned product.
Dark Cloud
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I can't stop F5ing this topic hoping to see some more rumors and NX info...the hype is too real and the closer we get the more sleep I lose. lol
How many gamecubes is that?
Interfectum
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I actually thought they are going to work on new one because they spoke about it awhile ago but I guess they probably change their minds about it.
Yeah, he live in Japan. The source must be very close to someone who are in a group with Sakurai because he knew the early design document about specific characters. I wonder if Sakurai shared those design documents with everyone who are working on Smash Bros.
Yeah, the event is going to bring whatever on their table to convince us to buy new system. Hopefully they would do better than what they did with Wii U at 2012.
I'm opening the paradox box right now so we don't know where it would take us to.
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