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[MMaRsu]

GAF logic 101.

PS4 is too weak can't run games at 1080p 60fps, what a piece of shit. I'll buy $350 GPU for my PC fuck PS4.


PS4K Rumour, Wtf! why are the releasing a stronger PS4? now my OG PS4 is shit, fuck you Sony I'm done with console gaming. I'll just buy a $350 GPU for my PC instead fuck PS4K.


My reaction

Because gaf is a hivemind.

Right?

 

[Krabboss]

Not even.
Don't care how you spend your money but the trust sony built up with the PS4 will crumble when the PS5 is announced.

Nintendo has been doing this since the dawn of time and their handhelds do just fine.

If you haven't been unhappy with your PS4's performance until this point, then you shouldn't be unhappy now.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Neo and Morpheus

Oh Sony

 

[Kyoufu]

Not even.
Don't care how you spend your money but the trust sony built up with the PS4 will crumble when the PS5 is announced.

I feel like I come from a different planet when I read posts like this one.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I see this but it makes little sense. The profit margins on current CE are really good. There's incentive to push iterative hardware because they're making bank. Even margins and markup on PC tech is healthy.

Consoles are sold pretty damn close to cost. They make their money on software and services.

Maybe they're going to move away from that, but they'll fall even further behind PC to do so to create margins. Otherwise they'll stick to the subsidized model, which I don't see the benefits with with stratified hardware and market segregation.

Yeah, new toys are cool and all; but I'm not sure Sonys endgame here. Which is why this being soley for PSVR seems to make the most sense to me.

They got caught off guard with how fast VR moved and didn't have a system ready for 2017, so this is the stop gap. I'm doubting well see a PS5.5, they just needed to do this, this time, due to VR.

All of the console providers are interested in keeping people engaged in their ecosystem. To allow competing markets to pass them by technologically is bad. Cell phones are catching up. PC remains ahead. Options are out there. You have to remain relevant to the consumer. Having a shorter cycle allows this.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Nintendo has been doing this since the dawn of time and their handhelds do just fine.

If you haven't been unhappy with your PS4's performance until this point, then you shouldn't be unhappy now.

But the where will the optimizations go?
Also with the current delay rate of games this is going to only cause more delays.

 

[Red Devil]

The messaging for this thing is getting out of control. Lots of misunderstandings going on. Sony ought to get on top of that ASAP before it's too late to convince anyone that their wrong assumptions are contrary to reality.

Why should they? If there's any misunderstanding it wasn't caused by any announcement coming from Sony themselves.

 

[mckmas8808]

Timing is everything. The earlier you bought the vanilla console, the less you probably mind the incremental update.

I do wonder though: how different would the gaming landscape look if we, as gamers, weren't so fixated on graphical bling?

Then we wouldn't be gamers.

 

[TyrantII]

Nintendo has been doing this since the dawn of time and their handhelds do just fine.

If you haven't been unhappy with your PS4's performance until this point, then you shouldn't be unhappy now.

Unless game performance starts to shit the bed. A real possibility unless Sony is iron fisted in QA certification for their old spec.

I don't think it's an unreasonable worry with the track record of modern publishers.

I also don't think it's stupid to discuss how this news is going to hit the casual gamer outside of Neogafs high walls. My brother is a much more casual console gamer and he mentioned to be the PSVR rumor and was not so pleased the gift from his GF this last Xmas will "be obsolete".

Sure, that's hyperbole. It also doesn't matter if that becomes the conventional wisdom. People still think the XBox doesn't allow used games and is always on line.

Sony has a very thin line to tread here when they do announce it. How they announce it and the guarantees they make to their entire ecosystem are going to be a big deal.

 

[Krabboss]

But the where will the optimizations go?
Also with the current delay rate of games this is going to only cause more delays.

PC, Xbox and PS4 versions of games are already developed simultaneously. It will not be terribly difficult to get a game running on a barely different Neo. The "optimisations" won't go anywhere.

 

[Raist]

Neo and Morpheus

Oh Sony

Just an obvious sign that's it's a bullshit leak. Like all the other ones, most likely.

 

[Audioboxer]

It's funny how the existence of a slightly more powerful PS4 makes the current model "shit," as some members put it. Do you consider it "shit" now?

Yes, it's underpowered and can't hit 60FPS... oh wait, erm, can't use that argument at the moment cause... reasons.

It's shit cause TLG and Persona 5 got delayed, and PD are taking ages. There we go!

/s

 

[mejin]

Not even.
Don't care how you spend your money but the trust sony built up with the PS4 will crumble when the PS5 is announced.

And that's just because you say so, right?

 

[mckmas8808]

why this frustrates me ..

as a console gamer (for a very long time) i'm accustomed to long hardware cycles. i understand that this means that what's on my console won't be cutting edge stuff graphically, it won't match what's on good PC's, but i don't really care. that has never bothered me. i think alot of console-focused gamers feel the same way.

now we're getting this iteration idea which seems like it'll have some upside. better graphics/performance more quickly. which is nice, but it isn't something i was exactly craving. i was fine with the way things were. it seems like i'm being offered something i didn't even want in the first place and being asked to pay a lot more money, more often, for it.

i'm sure it will be successful.

I'm confused by people like you. With all due respect why can't you just NOT buy it and keep playing on the system that you like?

 

[David Ricardo]

The rhetoric is strong.

I am sure anyone who has ever bought an cell phone, tablet, television, or a laptop feel like second class citizens within 6 months.

Most people buying a cell phone, tablet, television or laptop are 2nd class citizens to somebody even before they take their hardware out of the box. They know that before they hand their money to the cashier.

Console space was something different. You could buy a console and enjoy 5+ years of games optimized for your hardware. And every new PS4 sold, was one more reason for developers to keep pushing the hardware harder to extract every last bit of performance from it. Now, Sony is going to start selling PS4ks, and every person that buys a PS4k instead of a PS4 is one less reason to optimize for the PS4.

 

[DeepEnigma]

About as stupid as Xbone, but that one stuck just fine.

It's all in good fun.

Um no. Xbone is not classifying people in a financial demographic like PC Master race type elitism.

And for the record, it has not stuck with me. I still call it Xbox One, because I am not lazy. ;P

 

[Muzicfreq]

PC, Xbox and PS4 versions of games are already developed simultaneously. It will not be terribly difficult to get a game running on a barely different Neo. The "optimisations" won't go anywhere.

Optimization for console takes more if they intend on making a physical release since they have to consider there's people who own the consoles but either not the bandwidth or general connectivity for patches to get the game running.

 

[Krabboss]

Just an obvious sign that's it's a bullshit leak. Like all the other ones, most likely.

This idea that journalists are making this up is pretty extraordinary. I didn't even know it was a thing until today when I saw a compilation of comments from both Patrick's and Austin's articles.

Really, just absurd. Nerds think the craziest things.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Will this affect sales for PSVR? weird timing for me.

 

[TyrantII]

Will this affect sales for PSVR? weird timing for me.

It should. I'm pretty certain it's going to be a requirement at some point

 

[David Ricardo]

I want you to read your post again, very carefully, and tell me if you can see why I think this is hilarious. Let me know if you need a hint.

If you want to make a point, just do it.

 

[mckmas8808]

If Nintendo doesn't fuck up they could have a pretty epic year as Sony/MS try this new console push.

The console push will not be viewed as a overly negative thing. New hardware rarely is.

 

[Audioboxer]

Will this affect sales for PSVR? weird timing for me.

PSVR will still be "sold out" for launch. Enough will want to jump on a decently priced VR experience for the first 6 months or so before any worry of sales completely drying up.

The headset is the same headset for both consoles so it doesn't become obsolete.

 

[Krabboss]

Optimization for console takes more if they intend on making a physical release since they have to consider there's people who own the consoles but either not the bandwidth or general connectivity for patches to get the game running.

It is important to consider that this is something developers have been pining for and Sony is happy to give them. I don't believe either party would be eager to do this if it would significantly increase their work load.

It is unlikely the new machine will do much other than have an increased texture size and run at a better framerate. I can't imagine optimisations will be lost in the process.

 

[sechsterangriff]

Unless game performance starts to shit the bed. A real possibility unless Sony is iron fisted in QA certification for their old spec.

I don't think it's an unreasonable worry with the track record of modern publishers.

I also don't think it's stupid to discuss how this news is going to hit the casual gamer outside of Neogafs high walls. My brother is a much more casual console gamer and heentioned to be the PSVR rumor and was not so pleased his gift from his GF this last Xmas will "be obsolete".

Sure, that hyperbole. It also doesn't matter of that becomes the conventional wisdom. People still think the XBox doesn't allow used games and is always on line.

Sony has a very thin line to tread here when they do announce it. How they announce it and the guarantees they make to their entire ecosystem are going to be a big deal.

Completely agree with this.

Also already mentioned, there's still a potential negative impact on PlayStation 5 launch if people start expecting a mid-generation more powerful console.

People are willing to iterate on smartphones for a number of reasons (multi purpose devices integral to daily routine, fashion/status object, carrier subsidized prices, etc) and none of those applies to consoles.
There's no precedent for this business model in the console market and I'm afraid this will do more damage than good in the long term.

 

[sems4arsenal]

It should. I'm pretty certain it's going to be a requirement at some point

That's why I feel the timing is strange, wouldn't you rather get the 399 investment from customers from the PSVR if you're Sony?

 

[00ich]

The console push will not be viewed as a overly negative thing. New hardware rarely is.

It will be this again:

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I've been saying it but gaf apparently knows better. This is going to be a disaster.

 

[ekim]

 

[Risk Breaker]

The major issue here for people like me and leaving would be trust issues.

Many people buy consoles in the hopes to have a good cycle where there's no upgrades and split communities due to various configs.

Releasing this is more bad than good for the PS5 whenever that comes out. who's going to buy a launch ps5 when a PS5.5 might be just around the corner?

Also another thing to note is how is multiplayer games going to work? If they downgrade multiplayer on the PSNeo for even playing ground with OG PS4 then people will bitch moan and complain that OG PS4 is holding back the PS Neo.
And if they didn't bring it down to the same level then there's a split for people playing with higher FPS and resolution. That would cause the OG PS4 to be at a disadvantage.

Bolded 1: "Just around the corner" = 3 years. Yes, compared to the incredibly long gen we had with PS360 it seems like nothing, but it's still 3 years.

Bolded 2: Guess what, if someone else spends more $$$$$ in a great TV/monitor you will also be at a disadvantage online because they'll have lower image lag!

Also if they buy an Xbox Elite controller they will have an advantage against you if you're using a reguler bundled controller!

And don't get me started on the people that have decent sound systems! Those cheaters can hear you IN SURROUND!! And you're stuck with your stereo TV speakers. You will lose EVERY match.
And now the fucking PS4k.

Sony has officially ruined online competitive gaming. RIP.

 

[PodcastFips]

Oh my god, so this is the upgrade required to get decent performance out of PS VR, ain't it?

Another 399 to spend while your original PS4 drops to around 100$ in value. Fucking great.

 

[mckmas8808]

All Nintendo needs to say at E3 is that the NX will be more powerful than a PS4 and wont have a console revision in three years, and I'm there. Fuck this Neo bullshit. Consoles aren't phones and don't need incremental hardware upgrades, unless moving to the next generation.

But what year did the WiiU come out?

 

[00ich]

I've been saying it but gaf apparently knows better. This is going to be a disaster.

Why should they be happy? They'd like the one console future and of course does an additional version make development more complex and time consuming.

 

[Raist]

This idea that journalists are making this up is pretty extraordinary. I didn't even know it was a thing until today when I saw a compilation of comments from both Patrick's and Austin's articles.

Really, just absurd. Nerds think the craziest things.

How come they all have "multiple sources" that can't agree on much?
Not to mention the ones flip-flopping like eurogamer.

 

[zsynqx]

Yep, as many feared.

Why should they be happy? They'd like the one console future and of course does an additional version make development more complex and time consuming.

Didn't Sony make a point at the beginning of this gen that the PS4 was designed for game developers, by game developers. This kinda goes against that.

 

[David Ricardo]

Why should they be happy? They'd like the one console future and of course does an additional version make development more complex and time consuming.

Well, there are people in this forum saying that doing a PS4 Neo port is as easy as going into the graphics menu and changing the setting from mid to ultra.

 

[pixelation]

LMAO

 

[Raylan]

Why should they be happy? They'd like the one console future and of course does an additional version make development more complex and time consuming.

Exactly.
And yes, some devs don't like it, some customers like it.

 

[lawnchair]

I'm confused by people like you. With all due respect why can't you just NOT buy it and keep playing on the system that you like?

i won't be buying it. i will keep playing on my PS4, a system that i like. the issue is that a big part of why i like it is that it generally plays the best version of any given console game. that is no longer the case.

 

[SeanR1221]

I've been saying it but gaf apparently knows better. This is going to be a disaster.

Fuck, this pushes me towards what I feared. Developers will make the neo version good and shit out an OG ps4 version

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Better tech? There's no new tech here.

Not new, better. The new system will be better than the old.

 

[00ich]

Oh my god, so this is the upgrade required to get decent performance out of PS VR, ain't it?

Another 399 to spend while your original PS4 drops to around 100$ in value. Fucking great.

The PS4 will be around 40 Million sold consoles. Those won't go away. Those will stay the main development target for years. Then Xbone, then PS4+.
If both versions stay available and sell with a 50$ price difference the PS4+ will never catch up.

 

[TheCanisDirus]

Well, there are people in this forum saying that doing a PS4 Neo port is as easy as going into the graphics menu and changing the setting from mid to ultra.

Oh god, are there really?! (ive been away) That's unfortunate. I'm no developer or expert but i know it's not as simple as those people might think. Not at all!

 

[FrozenCell]

Excellent!

awaiting patiently for a pre-order button for Neo

now i'm actually seriously considering getting a Morpheus too

 

[Pathfinder]

Mmhmm, thought so. It wouldn't be realistic to think all publishers and developers would be on board with this.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Fuck, this pushes me towards what I feared. Developers will make the neo version good and shit out an OG ps4 version

It was always going to be the case. No one has the time or money to optimize properly for both platforms. If you were a publisher you'd want the prettier version running better.

The PS4 is going to get badly optimised games running sub 1080p just to keep the framerate up.

Anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

 

[Spizz]

I'm legitimately curious which devs Sony talked to. I haven't heard one positive impression yet, although I definitely could've missed it.

 

[Audioboxer]

I've been saying it but gaf apparently knows better. This is going to be a disaster.

I don't think everyone in the dev community will want to be on board, but it's untested waters and we might as well give it a go. If MS follow suit then devs will just have to buckle up and get on with it. They moan about all sorts of stuff from time to time, and not without reasons, but individual devs aren't always right in a sea of companies/publishers and the likes.

 

[John Wick]

Where's my HBM2 at? If you wanna give us an upgrade, at least give us a modern day equivalent system worthy of an upgrade. This incremental shit to me doesn't seem as enticing tbh; especially the weak CPU jump. I'd probably pay for a closed box beast of a system for $500 but it must be a real upgrade. I'm not talking PS5 level either. Just a decent 4 x CPU & 6-8 x GPU jump.

So why don't you build a PC system for $500 that has 4x CPU and 6-8x GPU jump???
Sometimes you forget it costs money for that type of power.

 

[gamerMan]

I really don't get this as Sony is risking shooting themselves in the foot. It's a catch 22 situation. The PS NEO will never get to flex its muscles because all games have to be compatible with bare bones PS4.