This looks like an open world WRPG with good combat which is rare to non-existent so hardly generic or something Ubisoft would make, is it? Laughable conclusion, really.
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Rumor: Horizon: Zero Dawn delayed to early 2017
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This looks like an open world WRPG with good combat which is rare to non-existent so hardly generic or something Ubisoft would make, is it? Laughable conclusion, really.
SurfaceofChristianity
Banned
Try harder.
So not that big then.
sems4arsenal
Member
Valid point, it's getting really annoying now.
wild wild rice
Member
We've seen almost none of the open world gameplay, how it's structured, etc. The combat itself looks beyond anything I've seen in an Ubisoft open world game in terms of mechanics. The redheaded female lead taking down cybernetic dinosaurs or whatever isn't something I've seen before. I'm not sure how you made this comparison. It's the only open world game I can think of right now that actually has some potential to be decent.
Dash_Riprock
Member
I knew it :-(
Portugeezer
Member
Umm... they will just try to make it 4K with the same visuals.
wild wild rice
Member
I think the problems with the game's development go far deeper than graphics/performance.
get2sammyb
Member
Different strokes for different folks. I don't know how anyone could conclude it looks generic, though - very imaginative in my opinion.
SurfaceofChristianity
Banned
Reason why I never got a ps4 in the first place, as even in the highdays of the PS 3 i wasnt impressed of the 1st party games from Sony. And with the ps4 it only took a turn for the worse with fewer and unimpressive 1st party games. The occasional game I do wanna play (Until Dawn, Uncharted) I can play with a friend.
This. So much this.
wild wild rice
Member
That's the joke
Whoops... Good one.
I'd say 2016 is still on track to be a 2009-like banner year for "Exclusives" (whether true, console only or temporary).
Gravity Rush R
The Witness
Firewatch
Street Fighter V (seems to be a great fighter at its core, with a glaring lack of content supposedly being adressed in June)
MLB 16 The Show
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4
No Man's Sky
Boundless
Drawn to Death
Shadow of the Beast
Abzu
Alienation
What Remains of Edith Finch
The Tomorrow Children
Paragon
And supposedly: Nioh, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo Sports
Possibly: Dreams (Beta announced for 2016)
Rumored delayed to 2017 but not confirmed: Horizon
Unknown state or 2017 and beyond afaik: Persona 5, Nier 2, WilD, Hellblade, FF7R, Shenmue 3, Let it Die, Ni no Kuni 2, Detroit, Bound, Gravity Rush 2...
Wishmaster92
Member
Expected whatever, moving on. I can't wait to see the ps4k version though!
TheRealTalker
Banned
I was shocked when they said this was 2016
makes sense that it got delayed seeing it is such a big project
makes sense that it got delayed seeing it is such a big project
This isn't strictly true.
The development team will present a development roadmap, with dated milestones for the project (these could be related to asset creation, for example). The publisher then takes this information and says 'OK, at this point we should be good to show it off and slap a tentative, non-specific release date on it.' Probably build 6 months onto whatever the development team tell them too.
Then one milestone fails and gets pushed back by 2-3 months. This impacts on dependent strands elsewhere on the project, which in turn all get pushed back. When this happens in specialist multi-disciplinary environments where you can't simply redeploy staff, you are then left with cumulative delays stacking up, which pushes your next milestone back. Here's a simple example:
About 4 years agp I was PMing a data migration project between two pieces of clinical software, with ~500K patient records across 4 DBs, and we were merging like-like, i.e. it was 4 versions of the same application being merged into one.
This might sound easy, but it isn't, because you have to pick or create a target application & DB structure that as much as possible matches the configuration of the source DBs.
To fix this, we had an SQL guy who wrote what I can only describe as a piece of magic scripting that would manage the whole ETL process.
He missed his deadline by a week, and that caused a cascade effect into training, clinical management and day-to-day operations, as staff were using an interim shell application to record data.
When the script did run, a misplaced comma caused ~25K of kids vaccination records to not transfer, so our 'crunch' was getting the whole project team of 20 people. plus some temps in for a 4 day data-entry session to upload the missing records from spreadsheets culled from the legacy app.
This, in comparison with game development, was a piece of piss project. The more complex software creation gets, especially in a creative environment where your aim is to make something fun and that might at the project's outset have a pretty nebulous end-state, the harder it is to predict where delays and issues will occur (and this doesn't even begin to include human issues like sickness, family issues, resignations and so on).
It's also why you get things like Unity happening - media space tends to get booked out 6-9 months out if you're talking about holiday season, and the closer you get to campaigns going live, the harder it is to get out without incurring penalties for cancelling. Then you have shareholders etc etc...but that's a whole other part of the pie that we're not discussing here.
TL
R publishers work with information devs give them, and while they make dumb decisions, devs can be equally bad at managing expectations or overpromising on delivery dates.Eh you think stuff is this simple?
Also its a poor example since the game had a ton of issues.
Interesting anecdote. I suppose it is possible that this is just another case of shit happens but after The Division I remain suspicious.This isn't strictly true.
The development team will present a development roadmap, with dated milestones for the project (these could be related to asset creation, for example). The publisher then takes this information and says 'OK, at this point we should be good to show it off and slap a tentative, non-specific release date on it.' Probably build 6 months onto whatever the development team tell them too.
Then one milestone fails and gets pushed back by 2-3 months. This impacts on dependent strands elsewhere on the project, which in turn all get pushed back. When this happens in specialist multi-disciplinary environments where you can't simply redeploy staff, you are then left with cumulative delays stacking up, which pushes your next milestone back. Here's a simple example:
About 4 years agp I was PMing a data migration project between two pieces of clinical software, with ~500K patient records across 4 DBs, and we were merging like-like, i.e. it was 4 versions of the same application being merged into one.
This might sound easy, but it isn't, because you have to pick or create a target application & DB structure that as much as possible matches the configuration of the source DBs.
To fix this, we had an SQL guy who wrote what I can only describe as a piece of magic scripting that would manage the whole ETL process.
He missed his deadline by a week, and that caused a cascade effect into training, clinical management and day-to-day operations, as staff were using an interim shell application to record data.
When the script did run, a misplaced comma caused ~25K of kids vaccination records to not transfer, so our 'crunch' was getting the whole project team of 20 people. plus some temps in for a 4 day data-entry session to upload the missing records from spreadsheets culled from the legacy app.
This, in comparison with game development, was a piece of piss project. The more complex software creation gets, especially in a creative environment where your aim is to make something fun and that might at the project's outset have a pretty nebulous end-state, the harder it is to predict where delays and issues will occur (and this doesn't even begin to include human issues like sickness, family issues, resignations and so on).
It's also why you get things like Unity happening - media space tends to get booked out 6-9 months out if you're talking about holiday season, and the closer you get to campaigns going live, the harder it is to get out without incurring penalties for cancelling. Then you have shareholders etc etc...but that's a whole other part of the pie that we're not discussing here.
TL
I've been lucky enough to look at scoping documents for an open-world game (quite an old one from last gen) and from a PM perspective they're hair-raising! Even really simple open-world concepts limited to SP with no online are big from a PM POV, and something like The Division, with OW, MP, PVE/PVP, a large SP campaign and so on...I can completely see why it took so long, and still shipped with a ton of issues.
I'm on this camp. I'm beyond tired of seeing games showing up in 2 or more E3s in a row.
KeyChainDude
Member
They went completely dark on news about the game, so this alone is enough reason to believe the delay.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
The fact that you have to specify this means that it's not true.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No they won't. 4K will be upscaling only for the most part. There will be serious graphical improvements.
Truth hurts.
That's not really a reason to believe the delay (not that I don't believe it has been delayed, I do) since basically every AAA Sony exclusive has little to no news outside of the press conferences unless they are very close to release (eg Uncharted 4 in the last few months leading up to May).
Tenacious-D
Member
If the delay means that it'll run at 60FPS on the NEO, I'm down. Haven't owned a console since the PS2, but I'd buy a PS4NEO if it means we get some 60FPS going on.
I don't think Layden has some secret magic dust he can sprinkle on these games that Shuhei doesn't have. I highly doubt the restructuring changed anything in this regard, I remember an interview with Colin were he stated day to day business remains the same.
Omnistalgic
Member
Touché and I would like to add SFV is currently my GOTY. The core gameplay is fantastic and should be more SP stuff added every month. Summer time should be a great season to jump into the game.
Nocturno999
Member
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
Its just frustrating the console that is supposedly the "best" really hasn't delivered for me yet at all. There hasn't been one game on the Xbox where I was blown away, Scalebound will probably be the first. On the PS4 side of things I am constantly enjoying their exclusives from Bloodborne, Ratchet, Until Dawn, Street Fighter etc.. I was hoping to play Scalebound this holiday season from Microsoft. I may sell to get the Xbox 1.5 or just sell and be done with it. I am just having trouble understanding the hype that surrounds Microsoft's exclusives like Quantum Break.
Both these posts are idiotic
Magic Mushroom
Member
RealityPales
Member
I was never under the impression this would make it in 2016 - despite Sony saying otherwise.
Too ambitious and new for Guerilla / Sony.
Too ambitious and new for Guerilla / Sony.
dugdug
Banned
That sucks, cause, while I love Shuhei, dude's blown it this generation. I can't think of any first party games that launched on time besides Knack and Killzone.
releasing finished games?
DriftingSpirit
Member
A really insightful post. Thanks!This isn't strictly true.
The development team will present a development roadmap, with dated milestones for the project (these could be related to asset creation, for example). The publisher then takes this information and says 'OK, at this point we should be good to show it off and slap a tentative, non-specific release date on it.' Probably build 6 months onto whatever the development team tell them too.
Then one milestone fails and gets pushed back by 2-3 months. This impacts on dependent strands elsewhere on the project, which in turn all get pushed back. When this happens in specialist multi-disciplinary environments where you can't simply redeploy staff, you are then left with cumulative delays stacking up, which pushes your next milestone back. Here's a simple example:
About 4 years agp I was PMing a data migration project between two pieces of clinical software, with ~500K patient records across 4 DBs, and we were merging like-like, i.e. it was 4 versions of the same application being merged into one.
This might sound easy, but it isn't, because you have to pick or create a target application & DB structure that as much as possible matches the configuration of the source DBs.
To fix this, we had an SQL guy who wrote what I can only describe as a piece of magic scripting that would manage the whole ETL process.
He missed his deadline by a week, and that caused a cascade effect into training, clinical management and day-to-day operations, as staff were using an interim shell application to record data.
When the script did run, a misplaced comma caused ~25K of kids vaccination records to not transfer, so our 'crunch' was getting the whole project team of 20 people. plus some temps in for a 4 day data-entry session to upload the missing records from spreadsheets culled from the legacy app.
This, in comparison with game development, was a piece of piss project. The more complex software creation gets, especially in a creative environment where your aim is to make something fun and that might at the project's outset have a pretty nebulous end-state, the harder it is to predict where delays and issues will occur (and this doesn't even begin to include human issues like sickness, family issues, resignations and so on).
It's also why you get things like Unity happening - media space tends to get booked out 6-9 months out if you're talking about holiday season, and the closer you get to campaigns going live, the harder it is to get out without incurring penalties for cancelling. Then you have shareholders etc etc...but that's a whole other part of the pie that we're not discussing here.
TL
potatohead
Member
This is perfectly fine.
All the big multiplatform games hit in October - December.
It makes very little sense to send exclusives in at the same time.
IMO that's why R&C and Uncharted and so many other exclusives like Bloodborne and Order released in Spring schedules.
All the big multiplatform games hit in October - December.
It makes very little sense to send exclusives in at the same time.
IMO that's why R&C and Uncharted and so many other exclusives like Bloodborne and Order released in Spring schedules.
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