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do you think a lion could fuck up a grizzly bear?
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That lion looks like it wasn't doing well in the first place (he looks really thin). I'm going to bet a lone lion that was kicked out of its pride and not faring well. The fact it kept trying to attack the water buffalo even though obviously very tired (several times just stopped and stayed lieing down) probably was a move of desperation where it knew it couldn't go without food for much longer so wasn't going to back down even though it's obvious it really should have.
Not that water buffalo can't mess you up (there's a reason they usually go for the weak ones). But in that case I think the lion was probably close to doomed anyways and I think the lion knew it so just was going out of desperation.
I_D
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A lot of you guys are seriously underestimating the size of a bear.
A bear has denser bones, thicker fur, and more weight.
Mind you, both animals would try to run away from each other, but if they were forced to fight, a bear would demolish any big cat.
The only animals that could stop a bear are hippos, rhinos, and elephants. Maybe a giraffe with a well-placed kick, but a bear could snap a giraffe's legs like twigs.
A bear has denser bones, thicker fur, and more weight.
Mind you, both animals would try to run away from each other, but if they were forced to fight, a bear would demolish any big cat.
The only animals that could stop a bear are hippos, rhinos, and elephants. Maybe a giraffe with a well-placed kick, but a bear could snap a giraffe's legs like twigs.
ajim
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Life is so fragile and scary...
Bear wins for sure, it has size, power and the body mechanics. Any one see that video Joe Rogan posted the other day. It's a baby bear and a dog play fighting. It really shows how a bear can wrestle, thier body is way more suited to take it to the ground. The have the wide stance in their back legs generating so much power. Bears are not a predator like a cat is though they are an omnivore. They don't really hunt and kill other big animals. Way more content to eat fish, insects, berries, but when push comes to shove bears are fucking savage. They just look timid because they are normally cool to look elsewhere than fight.
Lions take elephants down, they just climb on their back and tire them out. They cant kill an elephant, they just force it down and start eating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEZ8uE5pyPj/?taken-by=joerogan&hl=en
Lions take elephants down, they just climb on their back and tire them out. They cant kill an elephant, they just force it down and start eating.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEZ8uE5pyPj/?taken-by=joerogan&hl=en
Ecto311
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Yeah and is this some random lion vs bear? Or is it a person owned and trained killer animal? Can they be on roids? Can they be fed meth to kill off the pain of attacks and jack up their heart rate? Too many variables here but I would bet on the bear vs a lion just regular ass animals from nat geo.
Damerman
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The posts about hippos are true. I dont think there is an animal as dangerous as a hippo. I remember seeing a video of a pride of lioness' attacking a hippo, the hippo managed to get away unscathed, but only after biting off the jaw of a lion. I wonder how much force a hippo's bite is.
Has anyone in this thread actually said they think a lion would win?
Alligatorjandro
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A dropbear can kill anything
Totally. The swat of that beast would knock the fuck out of the lion.
Yep. Nature isn't kind and many lions, particularly males, don't make it. It's a pretty grim prognosis for a lion that has been kicked out of its pride and can't find another that it can take over or let it join.
More_Badass
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no fucks given
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Being an elephant; look at the elephant-hippo gifs and videos earlier in the topic.
An elephant would crush it literally.
no fucks given
Like a walk in the park.
no fucks given
"Same shit, different day."
TheZink
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When I was in Africa the one animal they told us to be weary of was the hippo. They can come out of nowhere. Especially if you get between them and water. I also got charged by a rhino on foot. I've never run so fast in my entire life. I was in Kruger National Parkno fucks given
That had to be the most terrifying thing ever. Rhinos can hit 30 mph, right?
Hope you never run into a hungry Orca in the wild then!
TheZink
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Luckily we were far enough away when we saw it coming to run and jump in a Land Rover Defender that was close by.
Edit: our guide told us they see the Land Rover and a large animal so they won't mess with it normally.
Don't they kill Great Whites like they're nothing?
yeah,smart as fuck they put the sharks on their back
Yes Orcas are the apex predators of the ocean (ignoring us)
Poor hippos. Clearly they are just grumpy because they have grass stuck in their teeth, so they run after people with their mouths open.
http://i.imgur.com/XoAjq3z.webm
There's a NatGeo thing about it.
Also, there's this.
In fairness to great whites, though, orcas are typically about 3 to 6 tons while great whites are typically about three-quarters of a ton to a little over a ton. Even the largest great whites have barely made it to the smaller end of the orca size distribution, and the largest orcas have been nearly ten tons.
More impressive (and frankly kind of horrifying), I think, is this account of orca predation on a pod of sperm whales:
Terror in Black and White
I find the behavior of the sperm whales to be particularly interesting.
http://i.imgur.com/XoAjq3z.webm
There's a NatGeo thing about it.
Also, there's this.
In fairness to great whites, though, orcas are typically about 3 to 6 tons while great whites are typically about three-quarters of a ton to a little over a ton. Even the largest great whites have barely made it to the smaller end of the orca size distribution, and the largest orcas have been nearly ten tons.
More impressive (and frankly kind of horrifying), I think, is this account of orca predation on a pod of sperm whales:
Terror in Black and White
During one of their sorties, a sperm whale is pulled away from the rosette and immediately set upon by four or five attackers. We can see several black-and-white shapes beneath the water; the group is charging at the sperm whale from all sides. Twisting their bodies and violently shaking their heads like huge hungry sharks, the killer whales try to wrench off what must be very tough flesh. The tempo of the attack picks up, as though the killer whales sense they are gaining the advantage. The sperm whale cannot survive this punishment for long.
Then, to our astonishment, two sperm whales leave the rosette formation and approach their isolated companion. One on each side, the two begin to herd the severely injured whale back to the rosette. For a time, the killer whales redirect their attack to the escorts, then retreat once again. We see this same heroic scenario several times: one or two members of the rosette invite attack on themselves in an effort to bring one of their own back into the formation. All who watch are shaken by these acts of apparent altruism.
[...]
The battle has reached its peak. Several sperm whales have been dragged away from the rosette and are being savagely attacked. One of the largest rolls slowly over on its side like a sinking ship and appears to be very near death. Then, as if on cue, a bull killer whale rushes in. He broadsides the isolated sperm whale, pushing it sideways through the water. Like an angry dog, he seizes it by the flanks and shakes it violently from side to side, then swings it around in an arc, throwing up huge sprays of water. As he jerks his head to tear off chunks of flesh, his turgid dorsal fin quivers with intensity. The actions of the female killers have been demure compared with the power exhibited by this animal.
[...]
A pod of whales that may have spent decades traveling the North Pacific together has been devastated. Instead of targeting a specific individual during the attacks, the killer whales appear to have attacked at random. As a result, every member of the herd has been injured, and all may die from wounds received this morning. One has been disemboweled, its intestines draped over its back and floating alongside. Another rolls over close to our ship; hanging from its side is a huge, yawning slab of blubber, perhaps eight inches thick and as big as a queen-size mattress. The attackers had been skinning this whale alive. The killer whales killed more this morning than they could possibly eat: hundreds of tons of flesh are left behind. We are struck by the tremendous waste. Leaving the remaining sperm whales, we silently watch them still trying, with little apparent success, to form a rosette as they disappear in our wake.
[...]
What we have seen is probably the most dramatic killer whale attack on a large whale species ever witnessed by scientists. Although it has provided new insights into the dynamics of killer whale predation, it also left many unanswered questions. For example, how important has killer whale predation been in shaping the life-history characteristics of large whales. Before witnessing this encounter, we - like others in the field - believed that sperm whales, because of their size, cooperative herd behavior, and deep-diving proclivities, were largely exempt from the pressures of predation by killer whales. Alos, why were these sperm whales so passive in the face of attack, and why did they stay together and, in some cases, risk their lives to come to the aid of others in their group. Many individuals would have escaped harm by diving and leaving their wounded companions behind.
Just as many questions remain about killer whales. What is the role of the adult male in the hunting strategy. Does he wait, like the male lion, until the females have performed the risky business of killing larger prey, then step in and use his larger size to claim the spoils? Or does he represent the power hitter who steps up to bat when the bases are loaded?
Then, to our astonishment, two sperm whales leave the rosette formation and approach their isolated companion. One on each side, the two begin to herd the severely injured whale back to the rosette. For a time, the killer whales redirect their attack to the escorts, then retreat once again. We see this same heroic scenario several times: one or two members of the rosette invite attack on themselves in an effort to bring one of their own back into the formation. All who watch are shaken by these acts of apparent altruism.
[...]
The battle has reached its peak. Several sperm whales have been dragged away from the rosette and are being savagely attacked. One of the largest rolls slowly over on its side like a sinking ship and appears to be very near death. Then, as if on cue, a bull killer whale rushes in. He broadsides the isolated sperm whale, pushing it sideways through the water. Like an angry dog, he seizes it by the flanks and shakes it violently from side to side, then swings it around in an arc, throwing up huge sprays of water. As he jerks his head to tear off chunks of flesh, his turgid dorsal fin quivers with intensity. The actions of the female killers have been demure compared with the power exhibited by this animal.
[...]
A pod of whales that may have spent decades traveling the North Pacific together has been devastated. Instead of targeting a specific individual during the attacks, the killer whales appear to have attacked at random. As a result, every member of the herd has been injured, and all may die from wounds received this morning. One has been disemboweled, its intestines draped over its back and floating alongside. Another rolls over close to our ship; hanging from its side is a huge, yawning slab of blubber, perhaps eight inches thick and as big as a queen-size mattress. The attackers had been skinning this whale alive. The killer whales killed more this morning than they could possibly eat: hundreds of tons of flesh are left behind. We are struck by the tremendous waste. Leaving the remaining sperm whales, we silently watch them still trying, with little apparent success, to form a rosette as they disappear in our wake.
[...]
What we have seen is probably the most dramatic killer whale attack on a large whale species ever witnessed by scientists. Although it has provided new insights into the dynamics of killer whale predation, it also left many unanswered questions. For example, how important has killer whale predation been in shaping the life-history characteristics of large whales. Before witnessing this encounter, we - like others in the field - believed that sperm whales, because of their size, cooperative herd behavior, and deep-diving proclivities, were largely exempt from the pressures of predation by killer whales. Alos, why were these sperm whales so passive in the face of attack, and why did they stay together and, in some cases, risk their lives to come to the aid of others in their group. Many individuals would have escaped harm by diving and leaving their wounded companions behind.
Just as many questions remain about killer whales. What is the role of the adult male in the hunting strategy. Does he wait, like the male lion, until the females have performed the risky business of killing larger prey, then step in and use his larger size to claim the spoils? Or does he represent the power hitter who steps up to bat when the bases are loaded?
I find the behavior of the sperm whales to be particularly interesting.
MrOogieBoogie
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Screaming Meat
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Heh, that's cause tigers are the most awesome of cats *grin* (no, I'm not biased, not me
. But yeah, tigers - particularly the Siberian - or snow leopards are probably my favorite cats ).Lions typically attack baby or young elephants. And even then its 4 or 5 lions attacking a small elephant.
The bear would win solely due to its size and flexibility. I've seen a grizzyl tackle and flip a moose that probably weighed 2000+ pounds like it was nothing. Their limbs and dexterity along with teeth and clawns would probably have the lion on its back etc. Tossing it like a ragdoll. It is why even wolves don't mess with Grizzlies/Kodiaks.
A tiger especially Bengal tiger would be a more formidable fight since it has natural jumping and climbing ability and has better hind leg strength and dexterity.
A tiger especially Bengal tiger would be a more formidable fight since it has natural jumping and climbing ability and has better hind leg strength and dexterity.
Could? Sure, a lion could definitely get in a lucky strike to the face/neck or some other vital region that severely hurts or incapacitates the bear before it has a chance to really assert it's physical dominance. Maybe if it's an older experienced lion that came across a grizzly just entering puberty, and had the element of surprise, it could definitely fuck it up. But 9/10 size and strength will win.
Hale-XF11
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my vote is cat
What is it with cats not giving a single fuck about attacking a creature ten times their size. My own cat always tries to tackle me and every time I'm just like "Dude, I could crush you in one blow wtf!" It's super cute though.
Romars202129
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Actually, I believe the lion out sizes most species of tiger. Only the Siberian tiger is larger.
That said, male lions are definitely the strongest cat, their protective manes give them a distinct advantage.
That said, grizzly all the way. Black Bear vs Lion seems a closer match up.
Darth Grisly
My Pug is the same way. He thinks he's a badass. He went after a German Sheppard in front of my house and thank god the GS didn't beat the hell outta him.
He goes after whatever crosses his yard or the house. Drives me nuts.
Define strongest cat? Because I don't think lions are stronger, certainly not because of their mane which is defensive. And their are various species of lions as well that vary in size.
Hippos are terrifying
*cue Jaws theme*
This post drove me down the rabbit hole of Hippo youtube and wikipedia where I learned we almost introduced Hippos to the bayou. what could have been...
The Silver
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those people are nuts, open fucking jeep that close to a tiger
Scully Scully Scoo
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i didnt know ocras were stronger than great whites, i always assumed great whites were king of the seas
yoo that shit was clinical as fuck. tigers are fukin beats are hunting.
yoo that shit was clinical as fuck. tigers are fukin beats are hunting.
Damerman
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Mother of god. How is it that we are able to tame these savage monsters?
So you're saying a lion would win?
salty_Josh
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Wow that tiger has some balls. I can imagine it singling out that one buffalo because he didn't like the look it gave him. Then bam! "I don't care if your friends are watching. They all bitches too." Then he comes up to the jeep where everyone is recording and says: "Yo did you see how free that buffalo was? Scrub."
Then walks away and can be seen mouthing the words: "nobody fucks with us."
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