Papacheeks
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But there is actual proof that something did happen manufacturing and someone also noted they were not going to have actual units because of what happened at E3.
This has been somewhat proven at this point.
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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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But there is actual proof that something did happen manufacturing and someone also noted they were not going to have actual units because of what happened at E3.
This has been somewhat proven at this point.
brandonh83
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What terrible PR? They aren't even showing the thing at E3. There's nothing to report on and there's nothing sacrilegious about not revealing it at E3. When the NX is revealed and if it looks cool, take a head count of approximately how many people still give one fuck that it wasn't at E3.
Okay. I mean, let's roll with it an assume this to be the case. I still don't really know what to talk about. It wasn't ready yet. And that isn't a sin, let alone some sign of doom.
The question is ... what if NX is not extremely successful? Will the story repeat? Are we buying an NX for 2.5 years?
I think it's probably the 1rst year I can say I have no idea what they're doing and why.
I can't even rationalize it from a perspective.
I doesn't make sense at all.
They've got products to be release between e3 and NX, they've got products to sell between e3 and NX and they're not advertising them at all.
I'm half expecting Nintendo to send a kill code to all WiiUs on e3 and say "Ok now your WiiUs are worth as much to you as it is to us, now go wait for NX for a year".
I can't even rationalize it from a perspective.
I doesn't make sense at all.
They've got products to be release between e3 and NX, they've got products to sell between e3 and NX and they're not advertising them at all.
I'm half expecting Nintendo to send a kill code to all WiiUs on e3 and say "Ok now your WiiUs are worth as much to you as it is to us, now go wait for NX for a year".
Adam Prime
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Wow so they're just skipping out on E3 entirely. What a freaking bummer. I only pay attention at E3 for Nintendo.
So they're going to demo a video game all day that I can't even buy this year. LOL great. I'm thrilled. Hopefully there's a good eShop sale during the week! lolol
So they're going to demo a video game all day that I can't even buy this year. LOL great. I'm thrilled. Hopefully there's a good eShop sale during the week! lolol
PdotMichael
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In five years Nintendo will produce only Hanafuda cards again.
TheCongressman1
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So, my main question is: Are they going to end up showing very little for an exorbitant amount of time, or are they going to show far too much?
I'm really afraid of how they are going to handle this. It's quite an odd situation they have this year. Being the only game, I would expect they would want to show off a decent amount, but I hope they don't go overboard. I really want to see how the game is shaping up, and I'd hate to have to go on blackout almost a full year in advance. But then again, I'd hate to see almost exactly what we've already seen and that be it.
I'm really afraid of how they are going to handle this. It's quite an odd situation they have this year. Being the only game, I would expect they would want to show off a decent amount, but I hope they don't go overboard. I really want to see how the game is shaping up, and I'd hate to have to go on blackout almost a full year in advance. But then again, I'd hate to see almost exactly what we've already seen and that be it.
DataStream
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I'm confused that they seem both so confident in Zelda and feel the need to delay it at the same time, but ok.
Spyder_Monkey
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I think Nintendo just hates E3. They tried. They had some good shows, but for the most part most of their showings are nothing but disappointment and fanboy tears. If there was any clear indication that Nintendo does their own thing and not chase over their competitors audience, it's this one.
brandonh83
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It seems to be a pretty big game. They're not going to spoil too much of it. They'll likely demonstrate a part of the game and take it slow, show new mechanics and things, possibly a boss or something.
These things are not mutually exclusive. They can be confident in a product that has been delayed.
Should Sony/Naughty Dog not be confident in Uncharted 4? What about Persona 5?
Maybe the negative reactions to last year's E3 presentation soured them on it for good? That's what I'm thinking.
Freezie KO
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Not a bad idea, all things considered. They have zero Wii U games. They have a few token end-of-lifecycle games for 3DS. The NX isn't ready to be shown yet.
Their entire future pretty much relies on NX, especially if they are planning on consolidating platforms as they should. Better that they take the time to get it right.
I understand if people are disappointed. But this is just a symptom of Nintendo releasing an entirely failed console. This isn't a problem, in and of itself. Alternatively, they could've done tournaments and events around Smash Bros, Splatoon, Pokken, and Mario Maker to at least build goodwill and excitement.
Their entire future pretty much relies on NX, especially if they are planning on consolidating platforms as they should. Better that they take the time to get it right.
I understand if people are disappointed. But this is just a symptom of Nintendo releasing an entirely failed console. This isn't a problem, in and of itself. Alternatively, they could've done tournaments and events around Smash Bros, Splatoon, Pokken, and Mario Maker to at least build goodwill and excitement.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yep. I think the E3 where they showed off the Wii U and Journalists somehow came away thinking it was a toaster was the last straw. Everything they've done since indicates Nintendo is trying to distance themselves from E3 as much as possible.
Papacheeks
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Do you not understand where the company is right now in mind-share and presence in the industry?
Do you not understand there are other products like PSVR, PSNEO, and a new redesigned XBox coming close to the same time that will have E3 coverage? So when will people start talking about Nintendo? In fall when all this shit may drop or have a PR push for Sony and MS?
That's what your not understanding like at all. Nintendo is in a bad spot in general because no one is talking about them to the extent they are about the other companies. No one is talking about leaks in a positive way like they are with MS and Sony. Though there is hate and negativity on NEO, people are still talking about it.
There is like no one talking about Nintendo or excited by news because they have shit to talk about and it's been shit for a while.
The company as a whole is riding on this NX. If it doesn't pan out Nintendo hardware will be a thing of the past.
I was agreeing with you, actually. This isn't some "we're so confident that Zelda will blow everyone's socks off" kind of thing, but rather "Oh thank goodness we haven't released Zelda yet, we can dangle this in front of them for another E3 and they'll bite" kind of thing.
This is a work-around that can only be pulled off (which is debatable) by a handful of IPs, but not something they would actually want to do.
Green Mamba
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At the very least it's good to know that Color Splash is getting the exposure it deserves. Never been a better example of Nintendo having their head in the clouds instead of an ear to the ground than that game's announcement.
brandonh83
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I think you're being incredibly over-dramatic, but I've tried to bow out of the argument and will still attempt to do so. You see things on a dire level; I don't, not yet.
gamerMan
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This was the company that brought Mario 64 to E3 and blew minds. I think anything less than a Mario 64 bomb on the industry will be a massive disappointment. At the point of where Nintendo is, this can't just be another Zelda game.
Mr Waluigi
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So Nintendo is not even doing a conference or direct. Just live coverage of Zelda.
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
Prisoner KSC2-303
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If it's a success, I'd agree; if not, they'll remember, and this narrative will be far from moot.
Fuck the fanboys, the nsmbw/smg2/project m/wiifit+ e3 of 2009 was fantastic.
2010 was awesome too.
2011 was far from horrible too (didn't we get something like 3DS price cut + xenowii for pal confirmation?)
2012 was wiiu.
2013 was shite on stick
2014 wasn't so bad and 2015 was basically Mario Maker from memory.
Nintendo missing TGS was a non issue when they still did spaceworld or their own thing at roughly the same time.
What are they doing to create customers if they don't even bother making directs and skipping e3?
Is that even possible?
Mario64 was the showing of the n64 potential and how the future was about gaming in 3D environments.
And they STILL showed more than just Mario 64!
http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Nintendo_at_E3_1996
(and even then didn't Sony have a stronger showing that year?)
Papacheeks
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Where do they have the money to build up another console if NX flops? There's a cutoff point at some time frame where the company and it's investors dont want the stock price to dip any further.
Going in your reserves and trying to get R/D engineers and all that going plus PR campaign is a shit ton of money. I don't see them making another home console if this doesn't pan out.
Investors are already not happy currently.
brandonh83
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I suppose the difference between myself and others is that I'm somewhat optimistic about things. It's possible that the thing is another Wii U, but I doubt they're trying to repeat this so I have to have confidence that they're doing something really cool.
Quickly skimming wikipedia
-Etrian Odyssey
-SMTIV Apocalypse
-Azure Striker Gunvolt 2
-Monster Hunter Generations
-Corpse Party
-Dragon Quest 7
-Dragon Quest 8
-Rhythm Heaven Megamix
-Sonic Boom (I trust you Sanzaru)
-Metroid Prime Federation Force
-7th Dragon
-Zero Time Dilemma
A few days before E3 will also see the release of Kirby: Planet Robobot. The Wii U is comparatively barren but there are a number of indies releasing on it later in the year.
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brandonh83
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Like when they showed the Wii, one of the most successful products they've ever had after the name and controller reveal were met with much scrutiny online? People thought Nintendo was fucking crazy and doomed when that thing was announced. Yeah, the Wii U was a failure and I'd agree its particular showing wasn't very good. But this swings both ways.
nightopian
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I don't think this is Nintendo being dumb. Maybe the NX just isn't ready for an impressive showing and they would rather do it right than do it early.
They can enable no chat.
Last year was just Disappointment after Disappointment beyond the NWC and Mario Maker. It was like 'here's a new ANIMAL CROSSING......board game with amiibo.' 'HERE'S A NEW METROID GAME...on the 3DS, has co-op, and looks like DSi baby spit.' Them spending more time on Hyrule Warriors Legends than Triforce Heroes was also insane.
DataStream
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i don't think any platform company should be so confident in a single game that it makes up the entirety of their presence at a trade show.
this is making a game with insane expectations have to live up to even higher expectations and also indicates all other internal development is exclusively on NX (and has been for some time). I don't think the latter is a total surprise, but I would expect some simple titles to be shown off for the fall.
I hope this means NX is a really really beefy machine because they have now fully committed to a dangerously long game.
Spyder_Monkey
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Getting mad at glorified marketing events is a massive waste of time and energy. It's pretty obvious that Nintendo is just keeping their future plans really close to their chest.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Godzilla's Left Toe
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This really is the year we need Geoff to give Reggie the Shits
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If this Zelda isn't something mind blowing I'm gonna laugh to tears.
"Tell us more about this new Zelda demo"
"Y'know, it's Link, on a field...shooting stuff."
"Tell us more about this new Zelda demo"
"Y'know, it's Link, on a field...shooting stuff."
Papacheeks
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You mean successful for like 3-4 YEARS? Then a downward spiral into another product that failed miserably, worse than the gamecube?
I dont know why you can't understand that the things I'v been talking about, them having trailers, clips and slides ready is something they could have still gone and shown without revealing anything.
Sony did it, and they themselves did it with Wii U in 2011. They showed a prototype controller, and didn't show the box fully off until 2012. They showed just tech demos, trailers and that was about it. They dont have to show the console or even the controller if they want, they can just talk about specs, release timeline and be vague about it, and show some trailers.
Thats all they have to do to have people talk about it. Putting all your cards on the table for one venue they are going to have before March 2017 is seriously batshit.
The only logical answer is that Kimishima was not the right man for the job. Perhaps nobody can lead Nintendo properly at this point.
Play the game. Play. The. GAME!
That's my worry. A Zelda dungeon is the most scripted thing in the world.
brandonh83
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As they're not ready to show NX, Zelda is really the only exciting thing that they're ready to have a blowout on. Had the Wii U cycle not been a failure I'm sure things would be different. They're obviously focusing on NX/game development right now and have been for a while. Their recent console was a failure and it's logical to me that they've moved on. This has led to a barren last few years for the Wii U, but there's still been some strong games for it, if very few in number.
Again if the Wii U weren't a failure, NX probably wouldn't be this far along, I doubt it'd be coming out in March, and they'd have more Wii U software to show at E3. As circumstance has it, Zelda is really the only big thing they have ready at the moment.
MrSaturn99
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At the very least, they're doing another NWC this year. That should be fun. Never know if there'll be a surprise game announcement or not!
plz mother 3
Still can't believe E3 will miss out on NX, but time will show how they'll attempt to get everyone's eyes onto the system. Take your time, Ninty.
Quintin DM
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Ah man I was afraid of this. With so little in the pipeline for Nintendo (excluding NX, but their not talking about that) I suppose it only makes sense that there's no sort of E3 direct this year. It's still super disappointing though.
AtomicShroom
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Can't wait for the inevitable Zelda Pachinko machine! ... HIT THE LEVER!!
brandonh83
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It was still a huge success for them. The Wii was incredibly popular. Are you arguing against these facts? It wasn't a product that failed miserably. Having a lesser back half doesn't erase its success.
By what metrics do you ever consider wii a failure? That the sales slowed down by 2011? That third party didn't support it as much?
Spieler Eins
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This. People defending this, like Nintendo themselves fail to look beyond their own bubble. The industry right now is barely interested in Nintendo anymore. The market doesn't revolve around them and people (outside GAF) aren't gonna adjust to Nintendo's own marketing rules. When NX is revealed, their mindshare is gonna be even less prominent and further poisoned. VR and PSNeo will start a new competition at E3, which will again be over once Nintendo decides they can ,,bless us" with their announcements. That's not gonna work out, unless Nintendo suddenly has the most spectacular marketing they've ever had. But in reality, this stunt probably shows that they might still be just as delusional as during this entire Wii U era.
Quadraphonic
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3DS Kiosks aren't expensive. The fact they can't use kiosks they ALREADY have to pepper their booth with upcoming POKEMON games is fucking absurd.
But they've been doing absurd things for years now.
But they've been doing absurd things for years now.
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