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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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The Treehouse stream is confirmed just for 1 day.
Delaying the Wii U version once again to sync with the NX launch and the release date being 9 months away from E3 surely doesn't help.
Plus their showing the supposedly worse version.
When it comes to Nintendo I've learned to take them at their word when it comes to the maximum of what they intend to do. They have never really been one of those companies that intentionally lies or misleads about their plans just to keep a secret.
Maybe that's the same line of reasoning the marketing team was using.
Seems like a misreading of the fans.
Graphics Horse
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The fans complained about the last one and there would be even fewer things to show off this time around. Ignoring Zelda there would probably be a single new game announcement, more sticker star Wii U ver. and recapping of a buch of stuff that is already out in Japan. (inc. Mother 3 I guess
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eXistor
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I'd say these last 1,5 years have been very rough on Nintendo fans. In all my gaming years I don't think I've had it this bad with Nintendo ever. But I keep saying "hey Nintendo's in a transitional period right now and when NX is revealed and the games are anounced, it's gonna be fine". I still firmly believe that, but goddamn Nintendo you're testing my patience now more than ever. At least we'll see Zelda soon and you better not disappoint.
ForsakenLotus
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Nintendo, you done messed up!
Green Mamba
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So, par for the course for Nintendo.
Eh, I can wait. I have some games to play through, and as long as the game is on it's way, then it's cool for me.
Twilight Princess for the GCN & Wii barely looked different from one-another, and I'm pretty much expecting the Wii U & NX versions to be in a similar boat.
Again, wouldn't people be happy about this? The fact that they are dedicating one game for every square inch of the space they have rented sounds really cool in my mind.
I think they are trying to conserve money and give the fans Zelda since its the 30th anniversary. Sure everyone wants more but they already said Wii u is dead and 3ds is dying. They are building up something nasty and I think we all will be blown away that's amazing hype building its getting people talking and wondering they have all the money they are just trying to conserve it. Or e3 is just not the time or place they want to talk about new games I feel a after e3 direct incoming.
It's not about impatience. It's about the fact that it's not even fixed now for March, just 2017. So who knows? It's more difficult to be hyped for a moving target.
The strong reception of Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were due to hardware being limited so Japanese devs shined back then because of their strong gameplay foundation. Some western attempts came close to capture the arcade spirit, such as Tony Hawk 2, but people still remember games like Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy and Castlevania SotN as the best console games of that era.
Between then and now hardware evolved and this enabled presentation-heavy games to finally take form. In this landscape, it's not the games with the best ideas that people gather around, instead the factors that sell a game are directly related to budget and marketing. Quirky games have been relegated to indie status as a result. Nintendo did the wise thing by not adopting the western mentality like all the other Japanese publishers and mid-tier devs did last gen, you just can't compete because it's about who has the biggest budget. Look where we are now, you can count the number of traditional console games from Capcom, Konami and Square in one hand. The mid tier is gone and the industry is dominated by EA, Activision, etc. and gamers don't give a fuck about the latest gameplay invention, whether it's the lock-on combat system or Splatoon's evolution of the map control concept in shooters.
Nintendo would be doing the wise thing looking for an audience that doesn't tune in to E3 to watch the latest AAA multiplats, their style have a perfect overlap between core 1st party franchises and the more casual, expanded audience type games.
Pancake Mix
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Nintendo has effectively pulled a "The Saturn is not our future" moment. The difference is that the Saturn still had more first and third-party games coming at that point than Wii U, like a port of Resident Evil as well as Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force III, and (outside NA) Deep Fear. The Wii U has a Sonic & Mario game, a censored Western release of #FE, supposedly a Paper Mario game though watch that get moved too, and a version of Zelda that is totally getting delayed for the NX.
Is it too much to ask to show Paper Mario to give the Wii U a holiday title and show that it hasn't been delayed for NX too?
Is it too much to ask to show Paper Mario to give the Wii U a holiday title and show that it hasn't been delayed for NX too?
Considering that people aren't happy about it means something is up.
It may mean that having one game at E3 defies conventions in a negative way. It seems to be the case even if that game is well liked, one game is not enough to have a "strong showing" as they say.
Well, was it ever confirmed that the game was coming out on the launch for the NX? Or was that just an assumption fans had made? Again, I'm not really bothered if I have to wait for it, for as long as the game is rock-solid and is fun to play.
Quality, not quanity, is the philosophy in my book. I think people are just acting kind of selfish at this point, as long as all the big guns show off some cool shit, then it's all good to me. I'm not really bothered if Nintendo shows of one game & one game only, as there is other cool stuff coming out in the months ahead.
They're comfortably past the WW sales of the Saturn at this point, so they've got that going for them.
I love Nintendo, but WTF!?!?!
Who makes these decisions? Do they not know the tech consumer market in the US is about 80% hype? FFS I want them to succeed and I am totally excited for the NX, but the people that makes these decisions a MORONS they seems totally out of touch with how things really works. It seems they still believe they can force their way to be popular.
This too. Damn Nintendo really did kill it at E3 a couple of years back. It seems they don't like succeeding or doing the right thing or who knows what.
Who makes these decisions? Do they not know the tech consumer market in the US is about 80% hype? FFS I want them to succeed and I am totally excited for the NX, but the people that makes these decisions a MORONS they seems totally out of touch with how things really works. It seems they still believe they can force their way to be popular.
This too. Damn Nintendo really did kill it at E3 a couple of years back. It seems they don't like succeeding or doing the right thing or who knows what.
BoboBrazil
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People said the same when they abandoned the Wii 2 years early and then when they had no games at Wii U launch.
Lord Azrael
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You can't honestly believe most people feel this way. The very thread you're posting in shows otherwise.
Could you imagine if they showed the GC version of TP at E3 2006 instead of the Wii version? Regardless of how they look, the fact that there is a version of this massive game coming out on their NEW console, yet they are showing us the version from their old, dead console is a weird, shitty move.
Yeah, that is what bummed me out the most, as I had loved watching the last competition and I wanted to get the chance to join the next one.
That's when they developed 3DS games.
If they no longer have to worry about developing games for two separate platforms, the lineup would greatly benefit from this.
And that's the problem that I have, even after reading the bulk of the comments. I'm so confused with why people are upset.
Would you want them to do the opposite? I think people are going to get angry, regardless of what they do.
LegendofLex
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2010-2012? That sounds like the period when they were trying to get games ready for 3DS.
Isn't the theory behind NX that their development resources can be used more efficiently and not have to start from scratch with each new platform? This won't start paying off until after NX comes out since NX is still different from 3DS/Wii U.
The story of Nintendo recently has been very little BUT negative PR. All I've seen on gaming sites is "Nintendo has almost no games this year," "Metroid Prime Federation Force has the most disliked video game trailer on youtube ever," "Nintendo is set to have the most disappointing Fall ever in 2016," "Zelda for WiiU is delayed to next year," "No NX news at E3, only Zelda," "Nintendo's mobile games have been delayed," etc etc.
And as for the last part: If the NX reveal is less-than-stellar , I fully expect to see a lot of comments here and elsewhere to the effect of "They missed E3 for THIS?!"
And I'm not expecting a stellar reveal for NX. It's almost certainly going to be less powerful than the PS Neo and Xbox One upgrade, have a gimmick with less mass-market appeal than VR, and with all the struggles Nintendo has had with HD game development, despite what they've said(their PR right now is incredibly far from trustworthy), I'm expecting a sparse launch lineup(Pikmin 4, Zelda, maybe one more lesser game from an in-house studio).
Because a less-than-stellar reveal WILL hurt Nintendo. It killed the WiiU(even though I did get one at launch myself), it caused huge damage to the Xbox One and PS3.
You're assuming Nintendo will wash away the current negative narrative with positive buzz around the NX, when given the current situation and the last 3 years, there is every reason to suspect a lackluster reveal.
SpacePirate Ridley
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You woud be a great Nintendo suit, thats for sure, as it seems you have the same line of reasoning as when Nintendo tries to read opinions on the internet.
I cant wait Reggie saying after the huge E3 backlash if zelda's showing is nothing near absolutley perfect and great that he doesnt understand fans because they gave thrm this year what they asked last year.
It's not confirmed to be at launch yet. Just that "It will launch simultaneously on both Wii U and NX in 2017".
narutomaki04
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I like Zelda games but having only one game playable at E3 is pretty terrible Nintendo.
richman555
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For starters, I think killing off E3 has been a detrimental exercise for the industry. I would be more ok with it if there was something else for fans to enjoy and gain interest in new software and hardware. That is assuming as I have always been told E3 was created for something else (for those industry insiders).
That said, I am also a big Nintendo fan. While I understand the delay and I am totally ok with it, it would be nice to say or show anything tangible with regard to NX. In fact, they are giving approximate launch dates for something we haven't seen. As a Nintendo fan in the US this is terribly frustrating. If anything public relations should be given a hard time about it. I am guessing there are too many patsy gaming websites and blogs to rock the boat. Also, the last possibility is that the NX is entirely in disarray and Nintendo cannot make any final decisions about it. The execution begins now and so far its been poorly handled.
That said, I am also a big Nintendo fan. While I understand the delay and I am totally ok with it, it would be nice to say or show anything tangible with regard to NX. In fact, they are giving approximate launch dates for something we haven't seen. As a Nintendo fan in the US this is terribly frustrating. If anything public relations should be given a hard time about it. I am guessing there are too many patsy gaming websites and blogs to rock the boat. Also, the last possibility is that the NX is entirely in disarray and Nintendo cannot make any final decisions about it. The execution begins now and so far its been poorly handled.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Pancake Mix
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Guys, do you think Nintendo has moved Paper Mario to 2017 and NX at this point now? Something is not adding up, they still supposedly have one big Wii U exclusive after #FE and Mario & Sonic release on the same day, but they're seemingly deciding to go radio silent on it which is very un-Nintendo.
I wouldn't put it past them considering they did that exact move with Super Paper Mario and Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast in 2006.
I miss that man.
It's not just Iwata either, Hiroshi Yamauchi's Nintendo was a pretty public company too and was always making waves.
I wouldn't put it past them considering they did that exact move with Super Paper Mario and Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast in 2006.
I miss that man. 
It's not just Iwata either, Hiroshi Yamauchi's Nintendo was a pretty public company too and was always making waves.
Hopefully the conversation will just stick with Zelda rather than the typical back and forth of whether or not their showing was good or bad.
I can already tell you that if they had a Direct, it would be one of the more bad ones they have had over the year which would just overshadow the games they presented.
I'm still ready for them to bring the hype with NX after E3 when they do their own event.
I can already tell you that if they had a Direct, it would be one of the more bad ones they have had over the year which would just overshadow the games they presented.
I'm still ready for them to bring the hype with NX after E3 when they do their own event.
Radio silent is actually the definition of Nintendo post Iwata.
Lord Azrael
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I can only speak for myself, but when did Zelda get so special it could afford to hog the spotlight to itself? There are other games I am interested in and I would like to get updates on them. In the long run it won't matter, but people are getting very impatient, and rightfully so. The barren release schedule combined with the decreased E3 presence does not instill confidence, which is a very bad thing when the company is intending to launch a console in less than a year.
eXistor
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I still maintain the WiiU had a great launch line-up. NSMBU (one of the best Mario games ever made). ZombiU (great survival horror), Nintendo Land (best mini game collection ever made). This is the only time in my life I've felt this way about Nintendo and like I said: I have 100% confidence that this is temporary, but that doesn't change the fact that at this moment and for the next year we're shit outta luck (unless they're gonna surprise us in some way which is also a possibility).
dampflokfreund
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Yeah, if you think about it, it makes sense.
But not showing NX with its games at E3 doesn't make sense to me at all.
MisterR
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People are upset because E3 is like the Super Bowl of video games. It hypes everybody for what's ahead and keeps mindshare for the various companies. Showing one game, likely the inferior version of that game, with no surprises, nothing to get people excited about the future, is a good way to rub your fan base the wrong way. While you may have a backlog, lot's of people would have probably like to either be given some reason to be excited about the Nintendo consoles that already have or ones they may buy in the future. This gives them nothing. They get to see a lesser version of a game that isn't coming out for another year. You seem to have a different opinion, but the idea of you being baffled about people being upset about getting a lump of coal for gaming Christmas is bewildering.
Brumfieldhm
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Honestly , all this negativity is quite childish. I think people are really , very disappointed that their e3 won't be what they wanted it to be , so they are complaining that Nintendo has no idea what it's doing.... I think they are planning something very special for Zelda , and the fact that they have the confidence to put all their eggs in one basket speaks volumes to the excitement this presentation could bring.
Yes If all week looks like THE GAME AWARDS demo , then it will really suck, but the deafeningly long silence feels more like very careful preparations to blow people away. We have a month left to find out , let's spend that month with cautious optimism, rather then wallow in negativity.
This is speculation on my part , but so is the "Nintendo is doomed narrative."
Yes If all week looks like THE GAME AWARDS demo , then it will really suck, but the deafeningly long silence feels more like very careful preparations to blow people away. We have a month left to find out , let's spend that month with cautious optimism, rather then wallow in negativity.
This is speculation on my part , but so is the "Nintendo is doomed narrative."
Dude, that's not cool.
Ah, alright. Thank you for clarifying that. Just for curiosity sake, do you think the NX version will come out first, and then the Wii U version will be released on a later date?
Okay, I can understand that reasoning, especially with how they are not showcasing some of the upcoming games for the 3DS down the road. But would't the same be said for Sony? We still don't know when The Last Guardian is coming out, for example. There hasn't been a lot of software being released on the PS4, as far as major releases are concerned (with a few exceptions, such as Uncharted 4 and the PS4 Ratchet and Clank remake).
Mihael Mello Keehl
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They're just going for a blowout. If it pays off it pays off, if it doesnt, it doesnt. They are gonna make us wait until whenever they want just to chase maximum hype. It will be sad if they dont deliver at the NX reveal.
Visualante2
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The majority of the press will still reward Nintendo with the same amount of coverage as if they had shown a dozen games. Nintendo knows this, but it doesn't make it any less arrogant.
ForsakenLotus
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People keep saying this, but it's still the biggest trade show in the industry and is still the primary place for mainstream media coverage. Furthermore, Nintendo isn't even doing a Direct, which is a direct feed to their fans and could capitalize on the attention that time of year garners.
This might not spell disaster for the NX, but this is absolutely a bad sign for Nintendo.
richman555
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I agree sadly. I think someone needs to be knocking on Reggie's door each and every day to explain this public relations meltdown.
MisterR
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Dude, that's not cool.
Ah, alright. Thank you for clarifying that. Just for curiosity sake, do you think the NX version will come out first, and then the Wii U version will be released on a later date?
Okay, I can understand that reasoning, especially with how they are not showcasing some of the upcoming games for the 3DS down the road. But would't the same be said for Sony? We still don't know when The Last Guardian is coming out, for example. There hasn't been a lot of software being released on the PS4, as far as major releases are concerned (with a few exceptions, such as Uncharted 4 and the PS4 Ratchet and Clank remake).
The bolded is ridiculous, the PS4 has outstanding third party support with weekly releases. Nintendo has like one game coming out for the Wii U for the rest of 2016.
I don't know what to think.They could delay the Wii U version to push people to buy NX to play it faster. Especially if there is no other clear benefit of the NX version (Nintendo doesn't really brag about the resolution of the games, so 1080p compared to 720p might not be on their marketing list).
Papacheeks
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Getting flash backs from the 90's in how people were running around like mad at sega of america because sega of japan was shitting the bed with info, and press kits for american launches of their console.
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