Why was this weird? Hadn't you essentially received the same thing? That should have proved it existed to you.
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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
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Oh okay, thanks ty4on!
And did Banana Princess just come and vote for camjo-z while being suspicious of the players who are suspicious about her?
I understand being busy and all of that, but come on...
Talk about coasting, talk about just going with the flow. I have a bad feeling about this. I really want to hear more from her.
And did Banana Princess just come and vote for camjo-z while being suspicious of the players who are suspicious about her?
I understand being busy and all of that, but come on...
Talk about coasting, talk about just going with the flow. I have a bad feeling about this. I really want to hear more from her.
What I fear is that every day the Arsonist is here, every day he will dominate the discussion, away from the scum-hunt. We saw this happen yesterday, and it has definitely happened today again.
Also Camjo is not going to win with the way he claimed his role and win condition.
That's the problem though. I fear you could actually be trying to buy time until you reach your real win condition, whatever it is. Claiming like this would get scum off your trail, so you wouldn't get NK'd, at least.
Also Camjo is not going to win with the way he claimed his role and win condition.
That's the problem though. I fear you could actually be trying to buy time until you reach your real win condition, whatever it is. Claiming like this would get scum off your trail, so you wouldn't get NK'd, at least.
The real kingkitty role should be a town aligned serial killer who's crucial to the game's balance and cannot be killed. You'd fit right in
I think she is a subject worth returning to tomorrow. Same with other people who were AFK at D2 end, and Salva.
Trust me when I say if given the chance to really win instead of achieving the joke win condition, I will ask town to kill me instead. I will ALWAYS pick comedy over all other options.
We have over 24 hours left.
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If Salva is town, that would make people voting on Salva D2 to be more suspicious. If Salva is scum, people voting for Kalor would get my attention. People who were AFK would fit either scenario.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I was talking about a poisoner, specifically. It was mentioned in D1, now it was looking to be reality. Xam could have been lying, or maybe there was an ability where a person passed out two drinks and only one of them was poisoned. There were a lot of possibilities and not much information at that point. If the drinks were malicious, it benefited town, I thought, that the person passing them out not know I ultimately received one.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Funny you should mention BSP. I have a theory about her that is contingent on Cam's flip.
So... you're gamethrowing in your own way?
I think some people are curious of your D2 votes. They look bad in retrospect with you almost saving Wee.
Why would Xam have been lying?
Did you back then think you and Xam had been hit by the same power?
Okay, I'm having a really hard time believing in you...
Town and arso win together and mafia lost harder? Okay... You realize that mafia knows about you now, right?
You realize they could potentially have a roleblocker right?
You realize they could manipulate you into doing their will, right?
So I am sorry, but I don't think you're an asset to town as much as you think you are. I do think under other circumstances you could be very valuable. However, I think you should have not claimed to be arsonist if you really wanted to help town. I honestly think you role-claimed out of frustration and fear you would be lynched, but you could have gone about this in a better way.
We have about 24 hours, so a whole day irl.
Oh wow, I really thought this was about over (I mean, it is with how many votes Camjo has, but I thought the day would end in like 6 hours anyway).
I've got some reading to do then. Meanwhile, if anyone has anything in particular they'd like to know my thoughts on, feel free to let me know.
Read my analysis on your actions during late D2, and give your thoughts on why you acted like you did. You're not especially high on my town reads at the moment due to it.
I would have no qualms voting for camjo-z but I really don't want to end to the day, or anyone else to end it. I think the interactions today have been very helpful, as well as knowing more about Launch and getting reads from him and others.
So let's not end the day just yet, please.
Thanks~
:3
So let's not end the day just yet, please.
Thanks~
:3
Maf can't do shit to me. If they roleblock me, that's a good thing for everybody else.
N3.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
It was just a possibility. D2 was still early in the game, and after only have one instance of this ability take place, it was hard to solidify facts and thoughts. After D3, I was really weirded out that only one person got a drink, so I got more suspicious of Xam.
Who are your top scum outside of BSP, Seath?
I see.
So it happened after it was apparent that you were on the wrong side of the Kalor argument yesterday. Hm.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
er, after N3*, as Xam and Ouro both claimed on that day
So how are you then helpful to town and help us win?
You've pretty much agreed your role is useless. Okay...
Oh, that wasn't why. I figured if Bronx or nin didn't immediately agree to the plan (which they did, surprisingly) it'd be a lot easier to convince them with more time, rather than blindsiding them with it mid-day and watching them jump into the main thread screaming "GET HIM!!!".
So how are you then helpful to town and help us win?
You've pretty much agreed your role is useless. Okay...
Hey man, go tell the Batman game that an extra townie vote wouldn't have been appreciated near the end.
The Camjo case boils down to if we believe him or not. If he is hiding his true win condition, he could be trying to buy time with this charade. If he is telling the truth... well I'm still confused why he claimed. He could have still tried to win, even if it was looking very unlikely.
What would you have done, if they had ran to the thread to tell about you at the dawn of this day?
What would you have done, if they had ran to the thread to tell about you at the dawn of this day?
I'm sorry, I went back to page 52 and still can't find the post. Can you link it? I'll say now that I've been playing pretty transparently this game though. I've already said I'm glad I wasn't here for the latter part of D2 because honestly I would have defended Wee and doubled down on Salva, most likely, who seemed like the best option at the time due to his attitude.
No. The only notification I've gotten in the entire game has been the gossip chat PM when I was adjacent to Bronx on D1.
lost
BSP, as I have mentioned before. Camjo-z for thinking he's an asset, but not really being one. Though he's neutral and potentially dangerous to town. Xamtheking, and Timeisis.
Xam because of his behavior on day 2, which were the posts that I read the most, and he seems to be all over the place.
Timeisis because he seems to just come and go. Maybe he's busy in real life? Okay, but I'd like to hear more from him.
It's pretty big post, and should be easy to notice, but ok: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202955615&postcount=2548
So I should believe you gave up? Because I think you yourself knew that the tie of town and arso wasn't going to happen.
Listen mate. Any old arsonist can try to fulfill their real win condition. Well, I dreamed bigger. I decided to try and bring seemingly incompatible win conditions together. But everyone tells me "no, you can't do that". WELL YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS TOLD THEY COULDN'T DO IT? (insert non-specific inspirational figure here), that's who.
Be the change you want to see, bear. Tear down these oppressive walls of roles and alignments, and let arsonist and town become one. We can do it. Together.
or just kill me. i'm gonna go eat lunch. no hard feelings either way y'all
Thanks. About my suspicions on Scrafty, I disliked how inactive she was not only here but on the D1 gossip chat as well. I tried all D1 to get her and Bronx to talk and maybe use the chat for something, but she made like 2 uninterested posts and left. Even during the night, I encouraged some last minute reads but I wasn't sure if she realized the chat continued open during the night or was intentionally ignoring it. I figured maybe she might have been mafia and didn't want to say something that would make me suspicious, I even said as much during the night, which was met with more silence. I found it curious that she was silent in the chat but kept agreeing with me on the thread, which as I said reminded me of Sorian in batman, making me even more suspicious.
But that's the thing. I can't see how it can be done together. Town needs to kill " all threats to the invited guests". There is also the element of uncertainty. Only you know your win condition for sure. If you are telling the truth, it makes sense from your POV. From Town's though, we can't be so sure.
I just can't wrap my head around why Arsonist would be doing something like this, I'm sorry.
Xamtheking
Member
Without town's help, Camjo has a 0% chance of winning
With town's help, Camjo has a non-zero chance of winning
How did Camjo have 0% chance of winning before outing himself to Nin and Bronx?
Xamtheking
Member
Oh, you're talking about the Private Chat Reveal, thought you meant the Thread Reveal
I dunno
Well I mean, Camjo didn't have any other choice but to claim in the Thread after he did so in Private Chat. Unless nin was going stay quiet about it, I guess.
Xamtheking
Member
I dunno
I think Camjo could be helpful for town
but town playing into scum hands so hard it hurts
Don't you think it would benefit scum to keep Camjo alive now?
Town is going to keep discussing about him in the future if he stays, keeping the conversation away from the scum hunt.
Only way for Camjo to be actively damaging to scum is if he has already/will soon douse scum.
Xamtheking
Member
a Camjo lynch today means scum can't be lynched today, which is beneficial for scum.
It's also free vote with no worry about voting patterns
It has to happen regardless. Lynching Camjo is a town victory requisite, he's a threat, the longer he stays the more risk we're at.
Xamtheking
Member
yeah but it's better to get him lynched now, especially if he's doused scum/ a scum pr is under suspicion right now
That much I agree with.
But at some point town is mostly going to lynch Camjo. Scum is not going to NK him at this rate. And when that eventually happens, that day will be a lynch day where no scum can be lynched. What happens if that day is lylo?
And every day Camjo stays alive, the discussion returns to him, and takes away the discussion from the scum-hunt. We saw this happen in D3 with people discussing Arsonist at the point there was still 3-4 potential candidates for the role, and they will definitely discuss it, when there is only one.
At least if Camjo goes today, we can fully aim ourselves to scum-hunt. No more excuses.
AbsolutBro
Member
Unvote
Since we seem intent on further discussion instead of hammering, I will go ahead and move us further from the hammer. In all liklihood I will still vote Camjo. Only the more selfish side of me says "let him live, Im not doused".
Since we seem intent on further discussion instead of hammering, I will go ahead and move us further from the hammer. In all liklihood I will still vote Camjo. Only the more selfish side of me says "let him live, Im not doused".
you could already be doing that, who's stopping you
At least we're at a good position in that 2 scum have already died in relatively short time-span, both of them scum that give us lot of information (Godfather and a Hidden Partner). If we would stand here at three mis-lynches, I would be more concerned about Camjo lynch, since we could looking at a closely looming lylo at that point. Now we have at least bit more leeway.
I'm interested in continuing the discussion on the scum-hunt side instead of hammering you. I'm waiting to hear more on Salva and BSP, who are both pretty high in my suspect list at the moment. Even if we couldn't lynch scum today, that doesn't mean we can't catch them.
Hey guys,
Sorry I haven't posted much. I was pretty busy over the weekend. I'm catching up now, but I will say this whole Launch thing seems very weird to me. Witholding he was the drink receiver is odd, but I suppose possible. What confuses me the most is that Xam's reasoning for why he thought Launch received the drink was flawed, and yet Launch still buckled and "claimed" that he had. Weird stuff.
Apologies if this has already been covered, I'm still in the middle of reading.
Sorry I haven't posted much. I was pretty busy over the weekend. I'm catching up now, but I will say this whole Launch thing seems very weird to me. Witholding he was the drink receiver is odd, but I suppose possible. What confuses me the most is that Xam's reasoning for why he thought Launch received the drink was flawed, and yet Launch still buckled and "claimed" that he had. Weird stuff.
Apologies if this has already been covered, I'm still in the middle of reading.