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NPD Sales Results for April 2016 [Sony, MS, & Nintendo refuse to comment on hardware]

Javin98

Banned
Cream never posted in the thread. I hope he's alright. Maybe Cream really has forsaken us...
Yeah, I hope all is well with him. Hopefully the NPD ninjas didn't get to him. Cream is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve. Or is it the other way around? Always confuses me. :p
 

RexNovis

Banned
So Rachet sold between 90% - 117% more copies at retail than QB excluding the bundle and between 10% - 24% more w/ QB bundle included. Bundles accounted for ~42% of QB's total sales. That's a massive margin of total sales wow.

Edit: SO since we got further clarification on R&C sales

A closer range for R&C thanks to Aquamarine.

207.5K - 237K

it looks like it would actually be a higher percentage than what I have calculated based on the previous figures. Updated accordingly.
 

Finaj

Member
So Rachet sold 90% more copies at retail than QB excluding the bundle and 10% more w/ bundle included. Bundles accounted for ~42% of QB's total sales. That's a massive margin of total sales wow.

Well, that's disappointing. Quantum Break deserved better than that.
 

wapplew

Member
So Rachet sold between 90% - 117% more copies at retail than QB excluding the bundle and between 10% - 24% more w/ QB bundle included. Bundles accounted for ~42% of QB's total sales. That's a massive margin of total sales wow.

On the bright side, QB total revenue is higher than R&C if we include hardware. Surely making more money than R&C the movie.
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
Finally 3DS :D

Not a great month but was not really unexpect, i was optimist after those two months but this is not a surprise. Wonder how will do in May/June with the 2DS pricedrop.

The math doesnt add up Ryng. If 28% digital includes the bundle then 842,000 @ 72% would make 100% sales 1,169,000. The only way 1,300,000 makes sense if if the 28% does not include the bundle. Then with 935,000 @ 72% would mean 100% = 1,298,000. SO which is it?

Is it

28% includes bundles = 1,169,000 copies sold

or

28% w/o bundles = 1,300,000 copies sold

?

The second.

I count bundle sales as retail, even though there is a digital code...

Btw, 1.3m first week including all is the correct numbers.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Finally 3DS :D

Not a great month but was not really unexpect, i was optimist after those two months but this is not a surprise. Wonder how will do in May/June with the 2DS pricedrop.



The second.

I count bundle sales as retail, even though there is a digital code...

Btw, 1.3m first week including all is the correct numbers.

Your wording was very confusing. It seemed like you were saying the 28% digital numbers included the bundles but apparently thats not what you were saying. Regardless we have the figures now.

Kinda surprised we still havent gotten any PR on UC4. Maybe it wasn't as successful in the US as it was in the UK.
 

wapplew

Member
Your wording was very confusing. It seemed like you were saying the 28% digital numbers included the bundles but apparently thats not what you were saying. Regardless we have the figures now.

Kinda surprised we still havent gotten any PR on UC4. Maybe it wasn't as successful in the US as it was in the UK.

Did we have PR for UC3 or TLOU?
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
Your wording was very confusing. It seemed like you were saying the 28% digital numbers included the bundles but apparently thats not what you were saying. Regardless we have the figures now.

Kinda surprised we still havent gotten any PR on UC4. Maybe it wasn't as successful in the US as it was in the UK.

28% of 1.3 million is = 364K

1.3 million - 364K = 936K ( what it sold including bundle )

So, no, 28% including bundle is correct.
 

Javin98

Banned
Your wording was very confusing. It seemed like you were saying the 28% digital numbers included the bundles but apparently thats not what you were saying. Regardless we have the figures now.

Kinda surprised we still havent gotten any PR on UC4. Maybe it wasn't as successful in the US as it was in the UK.
Nah, man, Sony is just waiting so that Yoshida can tweet something like "Our global sales tracker puts Uncharted 4's first two week sales ahead of Halo 5, Quantum Break, Rise of The Tomb Raider, Forza 6 and Sunset Overdrive combined.... Wow" :p
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Nah, man, Sony is just waiting so that Yoshida can tweet something like "Our global sales tracker puts Uncharted 4's first two week sales ahead of Halo 5, Quantum Break, Rise of The Tomb Raider, Forza 6, Sunset Overdrive, 360 and XB1 combined.... Wow" :p

fixed

Add more salt to the wound. Although to include the hardwares it would only need to be in reference to that months NPD sales.
 
Well, priced at 39,90, I think almost everyone in the world.

I don't think many here thought R&C was going to take off sales wise until after it came out. It reviewed extremely well and was getting fantastic word of mouth, combined with the lower than average price it caught on fire. After about a week of sales though, I think the common opinion became that R&C was going to be bigger than QB.

Sony's tried the 40 dollar price point a few other times with AA level first party games and it wasn't instant success, as noted earlier by other posters with games like Tearaway Unfolded and Gravity Rush Remastered.

R&C actually seems to have a legit shot of charting 2 straight months. It was still #4 on the UK charts last week behind only Uncharted 4 and DooM. If sales are similar here in the US it can still sneak into the Top 10. Uncharted 4 and Overwatch are almost certainly going to be 1 and 2 and DooM will likely be #3. After that it's pretty much a free for all I think. Battleborn sales are looking dumpsteriffic right now and Homefront will likely join it. You'll have spots taken by evergreen titles like GTA V and Minecraft and I'd be surprised if NBA doesn't chart again with the NBA playoffs going on. Unless I'm missing some other major releases, I can easily see R&C slotting in the top 10 again.
 

RexNovis

Banned
28% of 1.3 million is = 364K

1.3 million - 364K = 936K ( what it sold including bundle )

So, no, 28% including bundle is correct.

See this is what I'm talking about. 28% including bundle in English sounds like the bundle is counted as part of the 28%. I assume its just a snafu due to English not being your native tongue. The correct way of saying it is that the 28% digital figure does not include bundle sales.

Well, priced at 39,90, I think almost everyone in the world.

Oh please! stop it with this nonsense. People were treating it as a massive longshot that R&C would outsell QB prior to this NPD because by all accounts it was a mroe appealing product thanks to being a part of a more popular genre and having significant marketing behind it. But I'm sure you know that already.

I need to go back last month NPD predection thread because I'm sure no one thought R&C sold more than QB.

That's because very very few ppl did and up until a week before NPD it was seen as an incredibly risky prediction to make. Prior to that people were ridiculed and laughed at for suggesting it was even possible.
 

Fady K

Member
Not bad at all for Ratchet and Clank! I was wondering if it could have done over 300k but I guess not. Insomniac - well done to you.

Sad for Remedy...man, after all those years of hard work, barely debuting at over 100,000 is a crazy disaster. Unless this picks up really well over the next year or so, it may go down as one of the biggest bombs of the generation possibly.
 

Fady K

Member
Regarding the 3DS, honestly not surprised by these numbers. The main reason is - the 3DS has been having a very barren content schedule for some time now. Since the start of 2016, the only moderate to big games released were a dozen at most:

Mario and Luigi Paper Jam (one of the lowest scored in the series)

Project X Zone 2 (didn't do much)

Final Fantasy Explorers (one of the lowest score average for an FF game)

Lego Marvel Avengers

Fire Emblem Fates

Return to PoPoLoCrois

Mario and Sonic at the Olympics

Hyrule Warriors Legends

Bravely Second

Langrisser

SEGA 3D classics collection

Disney Art Academy

Looking ahead at the next few months up until the end of the summer , we only have Kirby, Lego Star Wars, Zero time Deilemma, 7th Dragon III, Monster Hunter Generations and Metroid Prime Federation Force.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Looking ahead at the next few months up until the end of the summer , we only have Kirby, Lego Star Wars, Zero time Deilemma, 7th Dragon III, Monster Hunter Generations and Metroid Prime Federation Force.

Did you just use the word "only" as pejorative descriptor for Zero Time Dilemma? Clearly we could not be friends.

But yeah I was expecting Bravely Second to do really well and carry the 3DS to another month of higher sales than expected similar to the previous couple of months. Clearly I was sorely mistaken.
 
I see we got a better range for Ratchet. I have to admit, I was hoping it did a little better (275-300K), but it's fine.

Also, those QB bundle sales are crazy. Well, relatively crazy.

Considering the la bomba that were Gravity Rush Remastered and Tearaway, not really.

Yeah, but Sony treated those games like they didn't even exist.
 
Well, priced at 39,90, I think almost everyone in the world.

Given Sailor Stevenson's reaction (gif), I may asume R&C performed at least as expected. That said, there were only very few people who thought it may have a chance against QB.

And those who thought R&C would crush QB were sent to Arkham Asylum.
 
QB's sales really are terrible. More so now we have a pretty close/accurate figure. For whatever reason it just didn't take with the XBone audience.

It makes me sad that Scalebound may bomb even harder than QB consider QB has more mainstream elements. If MS are smart, they should announce Scalebound for PC at E3, PC audience probably keep it alive than X1
 

watdaeff4

Member
Given Sailor Stevenson's reaction (gif), I may asume R&C performed at least as expected. That said, there were only very few people who thought it may have a chance against QB.

And those who thought R&C would crush QB were sent to Arkham Asylum.


Actually more than one from the March NPD predictions thread said it would.

e.g.

It will sell better than QB

And I'll go ahead and brag about my post:

There shouldn't be, established IP on the system with a substantially larger marketshare plus a strong association with that platform. Add in the hype of the movie and I'll be shocked if it doesn't outsell QUantum Break.

By every right it should (and it will)
 

EGM1966

Member
Interesting numbers. R&C above my expectations considerably. After Tearaway and Gravity Rush I wasn't sure even the sensible price (great decision there BTW) would help but it clearly did well.

QB is a puzzler. Well below my expectations without bundles as I thought with the marketing/PR focus on shooting/powers it would at least do better than Alan Wake. I didn't think it would be mega hit but a solid win. Seems in fact it wasn't taken to at all well by the install base and honestly unless heavily bundled in US I struggle to see it doing well. Selling less than Alan awake feels like a possibility now.

For next month I hope to see U4 and Doom well (Doom particularly I'm hoping is solid U4 should be very good).

Still want classic R&C MP though. Cmon insomniac that would be killer DLC.
 

Three

Member
Actually more than one from the March NPD predictions thread said it would.

e.g.



And I'll go ahead and brag about my post:

The March results page is more interesting for predictions. Even Ryng bet against R&C


TOP 3

#1 Dark Souls 3
#2 The Division
#3 Grand Theft Auto V

I believe this is a safe bet. The rest, eh, we will see. I honestly see both Quantum Break and ReC out of TOP 5...

My money on Quantum Break.

It has one week more than Ratchet and clank, and has a nice bundle too... that's why i believe it will do more. But not by a big margin.


Quantum Break > R&C.

No doubt about that.

Yeah I don't see any way R&C ousells Quantum

The movie is looking like a bomb as well.

ratchet won't even crack 100k

qb <200k

Others made the right prediction though

I have no doubt in my mind that R&C is going to sell better than QB.


Ratchet & Clank will be top 4 in April.


I don't do things I would regret like avatar bets, but if I did I would go all in on R&C outselling Quantum Break for April.
 

Fady K

Member
Did you just use the word "only" as pejorative descriptor for Zero Time Dilemma? Clearly we could not be friends.

But yeah I was expecting Bravely Second to do really well and carry the 3DS to another month of higher sales than expected similar to the previous couple of months. Clearly I was sorely mistaken.

Rex, allow me to elaborate: I certainly did not mean "only" in terms of game value, but in major sales estimation. In fact, 999 and Virtue's Last Reward are among my favourite games and ZTD is easily in my top 5 most anticipated games for the remainder of the year ;D
 

RexNovis

Banned
Huh thought it was the 16th. Thought NPD was on the Thursday after the second Tuesday.

I think NPD is just the second Thursday of the month. Maybe I'm wrong? Somebody please correct me if I am.

Rex, allow me to elaborate: I certainly did not mean "only" in terms of game value, but in major sales estimation. In fact, 999 and Virtue's Last Reward are among my favourite games and ZTD is easily in my top 5 most anticipated games for the remainder of the year ;D

Ok well I forgive you then. Carry on.
 
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