jabberwocker
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How long till new games dont work on new consoles? Also what happens when a new tech comes out.. that obsoletes the old.. do they have to stick with the old?
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How long till new games dont work on new consoles? Also what happens when a new tech comes out.. that obsoletes the old.. do they have to stick with the old?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Digital Foundry Office:
Guaranteed klicks for next 10 years for them.
Advertisers are flooding into their email inboxes as we speak, lol.
That's not the same CPU or GPU. Also, the game runs bad.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html
Here are the benchmarks for the setup you showed. It's bad and way worse than a PS4.
EDIT: Also, those are actual benchmarks and not "I believe" or "something similar".
That's not the same APU, but also, thanks for confirming it can't run the game as well as an Xbox One
Voost Kain
Banned
Or you have no idea what you're talking about, backpedalling to PC to try and change the topic and won't admit Phones and consoles are nowhere near the same with what they do, how they are marketed, and what the strategy is.
Phones and consoles aren't the same, I have to look and wonder what to buy between the two PS4's, I can by a G5 or a Priv and virtually everything will run the same, the devs will have the same tolls, not more powerful ones that they will likely prioritize, and producing and shipping phones doesn't cost anywhere near as much as a console launch. I doubt that if sony had 3 Xperia phones flop at $500 price ranges it would have done anything near a 3rd of what the PS3 did.
People hoping for better 3rd party support for NX. Keep dreaming. If devs really have to spend more money/time/resources on multiple versions on the better selling machines, they will drop NX before they even touch it.
If I had to guess PS4 vanilla will be phased out once ps5 hits. So you have about 6-7 years for a consoles life. PSneo will be phased out once PS5.5 gets released ect.
OsirisBlack
Banned
On the outside looking in.
let's just clear this up. No one will ever design another console like the PS3 again, you should stop using it as an example. the PS3 is the poster child on how not to design a console
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Apart from everything else, weren't Microsoft shafted by Nvidia with the deal on Xbox?
Dude, clearly you don't have a grasp on reality and are creating scenarios that don't exist to prove a point. You are all over the place.
You have to look for what to buy on phones all the time! Like, what the hell are you on about? There's no point in talking to you since you are so far removed from reality it's not even funny.
Phones have all ranges of power. With apps not running on every phone the same. I seriously don't get your point (because well, you don't really have one).
I'm done with this conversation. No point in it and your rambling about the laptop doesn't help making you more credible.
Voost Kain
Banned
It's only like a percentage off.
Also I can get different benchmarks at a different site, why the heck are you using benchmarks? They don't mean anything.
It's like you guys choose not to read things, I said in a previous post the two aren't far off.
Also yes, that video does show it running worse than the XO version of the game. But not THAT off.
I will admit that it won't run better than the two consoles.
HOWEVERE if the Laptop can run this than for the same price you know you can get a PC for about that same price that runs games better than the XO/PS4.
But I will admit I was wrong in saying that it (PC) being better than the "PS4k rumored specs is wrong.
It was a terrible console design wise. The revisionist history with the ps3 (games lineup and hardware) has been really fucking annoying recently.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Too expensive nor does nVidia have an APU solution.
Pathfinder
Member
Voost Kain
Banned
Elitist1945
Member
Just got off work. Anything not in the OP that I missed?
are they?
Digital Foundry Office:
Guaranteed klicks for next 10 years for them.
The more job security for dark10x the better.
Because of his botched quote now it seems you are talking to me.
(And you are right of course. Especially since an iPhone is like 800+ euros).
Mass Effect
Member
That's running on a higher end desktop APU that's stronger than the one in the laptop. I mean look at this. That's the integrated GPU in the laptop. There's just no way.
Voost Kain
Banned
The PS3 is an example of how consoles are expensive, it's a perfect example, and I can switch it with the 360 which also had to take hits at first and it'll be the same story. The Xbox 360 is another consoles that when you go through marketing, production, copying, software, OS, retail, etc. It too costs more than phones do to release.
I mean look at how many phone companies are barely making money that have multip phones that are STILL in business?
You know what, you guys can just keep doing these consoles-phone comparisons. Whatever.
that might only mean ditching embedded ram and going for a more standard GDDR5 setup.
haha oops. fixed
the PS3 and Xbox 360 are perfect examples of the type of consoles that will never be made again
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
All Microsoft first-party releases on PC? That's an awful, awful idea for Xbox..
Also, trying to make consoles phones isn't going to go over well.
Also, trying to make consoles phones isn't going to go over well.
Define Xbox.
Because it has a new definition now.
Digital Foundry Office:
Guaranteed klicks for next 10 years for them.
I feel like it's the opposite. There'll be so many comparisons and convoluted "winning" scenarios that it'll just fade into obscurity when nobody can be bothered to unpick it all.
That's a good thing, IMO.
No it will be good. After the bomb that was QB and the underperformance of H5 MS needs to sell more of their games. Most PC enthusiasts don't buy consoles anyway.
MilkyJoe
Member
Ooooh that's cold.
He's obviously talking about the console.
Stilton Disco
Member
Given the quality of their recent PC ports it's not exactly brilliant news for pc gamers either!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nah, people always need something to justify their purchase. Even if it is an extra blade of grass, or the like. Now the madness will be even more insane.
Voost Kain
Banned
Done with this thread, we have not only people saying consoles=Smartphones (where a lot of them run things exactly the same and don't take away from tohers outside exclsuive features, the exact opposite of PS4k and PS4 based on rumored specs and other info) which is already one of the must nonsensical things I ever heard, but people think that if the Xbox 360 at $350 and Iphone 5 $650, that Iphone 5's are more costly to support that's not how it works.
If Microsoft released 3 $650 WIndows Phones at the times, in place of the 360, and they all sold 100k in totoal in 2 years, that would still not have lsot MS anywhere near as much money as the first years of the 360.
Consoles are more expensive, the base price of an item on the shelf has nothing to do with its overall costs.
But if people still want to believe that iterative consoles will work because =phones, they fine, believe! I give up.
If Microsoft released 3 $650 WIndows Phones at the times, in place of the 360, and they all sold 100k in totoal in 2 years, that would still not have lsot MS anywhere near as much money as the first years of the 360.
Consoles are more expensive, the base price of an item on the shelf has nothing to do with its overall costs.
But if people still want to believe that iterative consoles will work because =phones, they fine, believe! I give up.
Do you think this MS, Facebook & Oculus partnership will further strengthen the UWP by tying in exclusive(s) and exclusive deals to UWP?Well, I guess UWP is here to stay huh?
Oh, the UWP threads will be glorious (jk). lololol
And
Do you see this as a good thing overall for consumers?
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
The box itself...which will apparently now change every year. Good luck with that idea.
Maybe, but Sony and Nintendo don't make that dumb decision. Why get an Xbox now?
It might be more desirable for Microsoft because they have an established PC storefront though, but still..
Voost Kain
Banned
But are the types of consoles will have iterations of.
I'm sorry man I can't help you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
it's okay I'll survive somehow
Papacheeks
Banned
Yea they will do that now, at launch when PS4 is still priority, as time goes on it will be a much different case, and that's what I fear.
And that's the problem now.
Xbox is clearly extending to PC and probably other devices in the future, it's now a platform. If you play Halo or Forza on PC you'll still be playing on the Xbox platform. But of course people who don't understand this shift will say stuff like "They're abandoning Xbox and moving to PC" or "What's the point of the Xbox One anymore"...etc.
They don't care where you play as long as you're still playing on the Xbox platform/ecosystem. That's what MAU is.
CosmicQueso
Member
EDIT: This was mean.