Either a full highly clocked Polaris 10 or a cut down Vega 11 (Vega 10 would be too big / expensive / hot, etc.).
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Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Either a full highly clocked Polaris 10 or a cut down Vega 11 (Vega 10 would be too big / expensive / hot, etc.).
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
NX is finished, isn't it? It'll likely be around PS4 levels of power at best, so this probably doesn't bode well for 3rd party support for the console.
EDIT: Then again, they will probably have to make the games be scalable enough to work on older hardware, so there's that.
EDIT: Then again, they will probably have to make the games be scalable enough to work on older hardware, so there's that.
gamerMan
Member
So are we going to have a situation where 'the most powerful console' will be alternating every 12-18 months?
Ridiculous right? It's pretty easy to make better hardware than someone else. You just put better parts inside. How long till Microsoft and Sony run this into the ground? I say 10 years.
While the internet is too slow right now, a better idea for this iterative hardware is to make gaming a service and all the hardware is scaled on the backend. You just connect to it. The console is a blackbox in the cloud and can easily be upgraded invisibly like a web server.
This is just a little silly.
MastaKilla
Member
Because Sony will announce Neo, so they need an answer even launching later.
Proelite
Member
If NX needs 3rd party support to succeed then Nintendo might as well pull out right now.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I only really care about the conferences and then the nightly Giant Bomb E3 after hours show and the guests that they pull in.
And the dancing otter that people around here post during the GB guest breaks.
True, but the gap would be lower if Xbox One was more powerful.
womfalcs3
Banned
It can have backwards compatibility, but Xbox One owners would be out of luck if a game was designed for a way more powerful system.
Speculation... Edited
I doubt that subsidising a mature division to get marketshare for a revision of an existing product would sit well with investors. The days of MS pumping endless money into Xbox are over. The division and its products have to stand on their own two feet.
I can't see any console maker ever subsidising their hardware like they used to in previous gens. Selling hardware at a slight loss, sure, but we'll never see another PS3 event again.
It'll likely get 2-3 more years of support once the Xbox Scorpio launches bringing it to a 6-7 year lifecycle. Just speculation on my part based on comments earlier in the year.
clem84
Gold Member
That's 150W on GPU alone. We going liquid cooling too?
I'm curious to see too if MS will take a big hit on hardware.
Since this will be their first foray into an iterative cycle, maybe they should?
On the other hand, they recently wrote off ~$1 billion due to their failed smartphone venture, so maybe they'll be cautious about frivolous expenses.
tiredheadcrab
Member
6 teraflops is nice. I am wondering myself if they will announce this at E3 or wait till sometime early next year. If they do it this E3 that would be crazy.
Bitch Pudding
Member
I think it's very odd that they want to announce XBOXTwo (not the other devices) so early. It will definitly hurt XBOX One sales. One might imagine that they think it will hurt PS4 and especially PS4 Neo sales even more. Spoiler alert!
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It won't
CrispyBoar
Banned
Proelite
Member
That includes 8GB of GDDR5x and some stuff that consoles dont need.
Launch PS3 was 200W. Launch 360 was 180W.
They had terrible cooling.
Yea, I'd hold off until this thing is officially announced, with regards to BC compatibility with XB1 games.
travisbickle
Member
The rumours say MS are releasing a slim-version of the XB1 this year. I don't believe even MS would pay the amount of money it costs to design and produce that if they were only going to support it for 12 months.
I can believe that it would be more powerful than the ps4, as that really was a sore point for Microsoft this whole generation - regardless if it was the contributing factor or not to its sales loss
But 6Tflop on a console........is a bit too much. Honestly, dedicated hardware and all - that's insane.
But 6Tflop on a console........is a bit too much. Honestly, dedicated hardware and all - that's insane.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
If game development stops targeting the base Xbox One around 2018, that will be a "traditional" console cycle. Which is fine, especially given the likelihood of permanent backwards compatibility.
Soon is going to be a Sony-esque soon. I wouldn't expect them to announce it until early next year especially with the Xbox One slim coming this year. Maybe a hint at E3 like and we have more information of how we plan to build upon the Xbox brand early next year, or they won't say a thing and everyone will freak out that it was all a lie.
I've been perplexed all day for that exact same reason!
It's not if indeed is a late 2017 machine.
Ghost Slayer
Member
The new "New 3DS exclusive" now available on Xbox platforms: "Scorpio exclusive"
You still think this is controlled right? Just like the ntkrnl leak was controlled huh?
I agree, but I think people are severely overestimating what a 6TF console would cost to produce in 2017. They aren't paying even remotely close to retail prices for their parts. The XBO may not be very powerful, but the APU is a beast in size. That same size APU in 2017 without ESRAM would produce a pretty damn powerful console. They could spend the same amount on the XB2 APU that they did on the XBO APU and get a system much more powerful than the Neo. Hell, it could be a little smaller than the XBO APU and easily outperform the Neo. I think the bigger question in both cost and performance is the direction they go on memory. If they wait for HBM2 it will be a monster, but I'm not sure how much that would increase costs.
Welfare
Member
But how much would lower be? Assuming everything was the same for the Xbox One, bad reveal, launch in tiny amount of countries, and $100 more expensive because of forced Kinect, the amount of consoles that would be flipped would be insignificant.
A more powerful XB1 requires a completely different machine and marketing than what actually happened, and how that would have gone is a different discussion.
Why would you ? This is a perfect time to enjoy the exclusives and all of the BC goodness and building your library, so it can transfer over whenever the next one comes out next year.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Considering the bulk of the of PS4 is in markets where the Xbox one is a moot point, actually yeah. Power is not the defining factor here.
But yeah. Let's pretend this will be the first time Microsoft has the most powerful console on the market.
Shambalakan
Member
Just imagine this with the infinite power of the cloud!
sure but it would be negligible
WaterAstro
Member
The flop wars have begun.
It was always about software. The most powerful console in the past usually didn't win the most market share.
And I think it started being about ecosystem starting with the Xbox 360 and Live's clear advantages over PSN back then. These moves are just de-emphasizing the monolithic boxes even further.
If it's controlled then I can at least respect that as a shrewd move on MS's part.
Ghost Slayer
Member
$199 box, do it MS, you take the loss but you can win my heart :3
