johnnydrama
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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King Gilga
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ftfy, daredevil has plenty of problems and disappointments, especially season 2, but it's on a whole different level than shows like arrow.
Even DD's worst episode shits on Arrow's best episode from miles above.
KonradLaw
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Ehh.. I'm not sure. I mean, generally yes, cable runs offer less episodes and more time to shoot, which is huge advantage. But it's not an unbeatable one.
Gotham S2 is at least on level of Daredevil (IMO better actually) and that's 20+ episodes show. More shockingly it also makes DD and everything else in the genre look like soap opera when it comes to quality of visuals.
And let's not even get started about Person of Interest, which utterly shits on any show ever made based on comics. (might change now with Outcast and Preacher, but I doubt that).
Plasticine
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I'm sure they're going to react well to Karen.
CreeperBlocks
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Miles Quaritch
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I completely forgot about those. Probably could have done with reminding the audience rather than just talking about hope.
Nope, would suggest a new one but this thread only has two more weeks to live anyway.
I took that bet once, I'm not taking it again...
Macadinho94
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I'll take that bet, I'm predicting Season 5 will be absolute muck. At least it'll give me a reason to keep watching and post here.
Unspeakable Evil
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Boy the Arrow fanbase sure taking Salt to the next level.
KonradLaw
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If he can grow it decently like Ammell does then sure, but if he's only going to get that sad thing that's on Grant's face and pretending to be beard..then nope..
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Hello darkness my old friend
Stephen looks like everyone jumped in front of him and took a surprise picture. And I'm always so glad that Sara is still around. Killing her over Laurel was one of the worst season 3 things.
Piku_Ringo
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More like he knows how terrible Season 4 was and that it will only go further down the crapper from here.
Considering it was the most consistent good of the four, that would be strange.
Piku_Ringo
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You must of been watching a different show then.
No way. Season 4 absolutely nosedives with the whole Felicity being paralyzed + Oliver's son mini-arc. Season 2 was way more consistent.
Also, this. Season 1 gets a little too "CW melodrama" in the middle portion of it, but it's still pretty solid. The finale of season 1 actually felt like the stakes were high even though the crisis was way less than season 4's.
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No, I'm just capable of saying that one scene of Donna Smoak doesn't ruin a finale for me.
I was comparing to the awful Flash S2 depths, the weak beginning for Supergirl and the terrible middle of LoT. The Flash finale is remembered well in the light that it is undoing everything it did in the episodes before it. Yeeee.
I'd love to watch your version of Arrow. The one the rest of us gets is really bad.
Oooooooooooh you're comparing it to the other Arroverse shows this year and Supergirl, sorry, my bad.
That being said, I think Flash S2 was more consistent than Arrow S4. The least consistent show was Legends.
Hint: it is one where the viewer doesn't get annoyed because Felicity supports her friend.
Arrow Season 2 was great, there's no reason for Season 4 to be this bad just because it has 23 episodes, that's not a valid argument at all
Is it a version of Arrow where Felicity acts rationally, more like her season 1/2 self and the show doesn't revolve around her and she's a supporting character?
Is this the same show where she doesn't blame Oliver for something that wasn't his decision?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
*shrug*
I thought Felicity was fine in the back half of the season. They were actually really subdued about it, which is shocking for these comic shows. Oliver and Felicity broke up and the show didn't attempt to get them back together for the finale. It didn't even really allude to it, just that she was being supportive of him since they were OG Team Arrow. I'm stunned the writers left that alone.
Felicity & The Calculator didn't bother me at all during his second appearance. Most of their scenes were Computer Magic in service to the plot, and the ones that examined their relationship were decent enough.
Season 1 Felicity is barely a character. She's like Caitlin Snow from Flash, a walking exposition machine.
Only time I can recall being annoyed by anything Felicity tangential is when her mom was pushing Lance to tell the truth in his statement and lose his badge. I was worried they would stretch that over an episode, but it was 1 scene.
KonradLaw
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I would say it's second most consistent season. Would be the most consistent if it wasn't for the slump post break.
But people are seriously overidealizing S2. The Laurel alcoholic arc was just as bad as anything ever related to Felicity and Slade, while charismatic, also had terrible motivation for whatever he did.
Season 3 was easily the most uneven. It had so much crap, but it's heights are not just the best heights the show had, they're some of the best heights in superhero TV. Shame they couldn't keep it up.
In a way S4 feels like reaction to S3's backlash. Like they were afraid to take real risk and just wanted to steady the boat.
But people are seriously overidealizing S2. The Laurel alcoholic arc was just as bad as anything ever related to Felicity and Slade, while charismatic, also had terrible motivation for whatever he did.
Season 3 was easily the most uneven. It had so much crap, but it's heights are not just the best heights the show had, they're some of the best heights in superhero TV. Shame they couldn't keep it up.
In a way S4 feels like reaction to S3's backlash. Like they were afraid to take real risk and just wanted to steady the boat.
KonradLaw
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No way. Nowhere near as bad as Laurel. I think S2's Laurel is the worst character I've ever witnessed in this genre. It poisoned her character forever. No matter how much they've tried later on, how much they've changed her and let her grown, she would always remain that annoying drunk in people's heads.
Slurry couldn't sleep with her brother in that season.
Season 2 Laurel actually has a character arc and some kind of logic behind why she goes through what she goes through. Thea just sits around whining the entire season because she doesn't understand why people wouldn't tell her that her real father was a psychopath and then gets pissed off because her boyfriend went to go do some superhero shit at a time when people needed some superhero shit. Season 2 Thea is Felicity-level bad in the "everything needs to be about me" department.
KonradLaw
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Except Thea's whining take like 10% of the nightmarish Laurel's arc that just went on and on. I don't care it was logical or not. It was shitty drama plot that had zero place in superhero show. Even less than romance drama with Felicity does.
I guess I tolerated Laurel's arc in season 2 because it was clearly designed to go somewhere in the end regarding her character bouncing back. Any time Thea was on screen in season 2 I just wanted to scream "shut the fuck up" at her because she made every scene actively worse.
The difference is, it lead nowhere for Laurel. At most she got back to the fight skills she had when they introduced her while Thea became awesome as a consequence of her season 2 story.
Yeah, while I hate season 2 Thea it ended up pushing her to become a much cooler character
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Been watching this show since season 1. Just want to say that it's sooooo bad now. And it's not even a TV show anymore. Just a series of cringe-inducing scenes, terribly contrived and/or unbelievably unrealistic plot lines.
dead souls
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As someone who still really enjoys the show it is absolutely glorious to watch. So entertaining.
Thea is actually the best character now, and her one-take fight scene with Andy is one of the few bright spots of S4.
I'm pretty sure this is why everyone called bullshit on killing her off. It led nowhere ultimately because the writers fucked up.
lol, it's quite interesting to compare what you like with what you shit on all the time.
Impeccable
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I still enjoy the show. I just don't feel like joining in the "conversations".
Or because in four seasons, she only convincingly played an interesting Laurel when she was on deaths door and after.
Laurel and Waller's deaths were both really stupid but for very different reasons. Waller was killed because DC is stupid and thinks audiences can't process the same character appearing in multiple media at once. Laurel was killed because it risked disrupting the shipping community.
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