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Berserk Gets New Anime Project Featuring Guts as 'Black Swordsman'

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Breads

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True Savior said:
I started crying midway and the tears didn't allow me to watch it in detail. Seems on point though.

http://i.imgur.com/X2F4ZHD.png

What is this shit? His chin is almost in his collar bone.

Fuck off you fuckers. At least draw him well.
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His face is not proportioned well and doesn't match any version we're used to seeing but the collar bone thing is extremely off point. It doesn't look anywhere close to his collar bone but if you do think so I would like you to redline it for me because I'm not seeing it.

:e:

I'm already working on my tablet so why not. I did a redline myself to show you how I see it.

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berserk_ftw

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Oh god why does Guts look like that? The little teaser before this trailer showed some promise, but this, this looks so bad :(

Couldn't they have started a Kickstarter with Madhouse for the animation? Would have paid hundreds for proper continuation of the old Anime with nice aesthetics and animations, but not like this :(

Still can't believe that Berserk is mentioned as risky and not worthy a higher budget as it is my all time favorite.
 
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Mendrox

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Breads said:
I think you all are being overly dramatic. It looks bad but honestly that should have been expected. I mean it's on par with the questionable budget on display on the second trailer.

I love that being 3d introduced a new low in budget saving animation tech - rotation on top of zooming and panning! The rotation when Gutts was sliding on the ground looked especially bad.

I'm still just as excited to watch it. As in very. Because I love Berserk and am used to not getting what I want on all fronts.



"Getting nothing" is a very real threat as far as Berserk goes though. I bet you'd feel worse if you knew for a fact nothing would ever come.
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Yeah I know, but this looks like shit so nothing would be better. There is still the manga and a new chapter will release this month. Bothers me more to fuck something like this up.

I also watched the movies and they also looked like shit about 90% of the time.
 
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Jugendstil

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I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fake crosshatching texture applied to everything... it just looks so bad. Why even bother with something like that?
 
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meltingparappa

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Jugendstil said:
I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fake crosshatching texture applied to everything... it just looks so bad. Why even bother with something like that?
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Not that the CG is excellent on it's own, but that one decision REALLY drags it all down and makes it look like when you open photoshop for the first time and think it would be a good idea to drown out everything with filters.

Still - hearing Susumu got my blood pumping, and we're finally moving past the golden age arc. Wish it was better, but at this point, I'll take what I can get.
 
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Kyuur

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Looks pretty good in some spots and really rough in others. I really wish the studio that did the movies was doing this, no idea what to expect from the new one consistency-wise. Or if Kamikaze Douga was doing it, I bet that would be amazing *_*

Still looks better than the dogshit that was the original anime!

Edit: Also I don't know what you guys are talking about with the crosshatching. It looks fantastic and is what saves the overall style.
 
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True Savior

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Still unsure what they are adapting. There's bits of almost everything in there.


Breads said:
His face is not proportioned well and doesn't match any version we're used to seeing but the collar bone thing is extremely off point. It doesn't look anywhere close to his collar bone but if you do think so I would like you to redline it for me because I'm not seeing it.
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The neckline in the pv just looks extremely fucked.
 
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Kilrogg

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Kyuur said:
Still looks better than the dogshit that was the original anime!
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Huh? I thought the original anime looked way better than either the OVAs or this. I'm sure it could have looked even better, but still, it was well-animated, with no crappy CGI, and it had a nice mood... Though to be fair, the mood was tremendously helped by the fantastic soundtrack.

This will at least have that over the Golden Age OVAs, if Hirasawa's new track is any indication.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Kyuur said:
Looks pretty good in some spots and really rough in others. I really wish the studio that did the movies was doing this, no idea what to expect from the new one consistency-wise. Or if Kamikaze Douga was doing it, I bet that would be amazing *_*

Still looks better than the dogshit that was the original anime!

Edit: Also I don't know what you guys are talking about with the crosshatching. It looks fantastic and is what saves the overall style.
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I much prefer the original animes style, low budget and all, to the often messy, inconsistent and awkward look of the CGI we've been getting. When I see stuff like One Punch Man and Hunter x Hunter, it really makes me pine for Madhouse to do an adaptation. They've got the skill, the talent, and the passion to do a series like Berserk some real justice. There are several other studious but I think this would be right up Madhouses alley.
 
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Breads

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Sure there are stills from the first Anime can get pretty stylish but the non animation scenes... sections that were simply zooming/ panning shots of watercolor/ marker art... that is profoundly worst than any bad CG IMO. There are only a few scenes where stillshot+voice over works but for the most part it felt like "use your imagination" scenes which really brought me down.

And I guess this is where I differ from a lot of you.

That said yeah I wish it had One Punch Man's treatment. Hell I would take half of the frames. HALF. I wish Berserk were popular enough.
 
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Blade30

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Breads said:
Sure there are stills from the first Anime can get pretty stylish but the non animation scenes... sections that were simply zooming/ panning shots of watercolor/ marker art... that is profoundly worst than any bad CG IMO.
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This compared to the old tv series, I'd prefer if they went with the old tv series instead, at least it looked and felt like berserk when you disregard the stills and cut content.
This new show is an abomination, you basically ripped it in half and threw one half away.
 
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labx

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Day 1... I don't care if the animation sucks, I only want to see Guts one more time.

The song was dope.
 
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Breads

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Blade30 said:
This compared to the old tv series, I'd prefer if they went with the old tv series instead, at least it looked and felt like berserk when you disregard the stills and cut content.
This new show is an abomination, you basically ripped it in half and threw one half away.
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Maybe. Have to actually see the show before we judge it.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
hosannainexcelsis said:
What's with the attitude expressed here that Madhouse is the only good animation studio around?
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I think there are ton's of studios that could do it. I just used Madhouse as an example because of the wonderful job they did with both One Punch Man in terms of animation and looking great and that they did something like Hunter x Hunter which was a much longer running adaptation that still looked great and animated as good too.
 
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Werd

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Don't mind the effects/filters too much, but the actual character animation looks rough.

If the show is good I think I could get used to it, we'll see. At least with Berserk being a very adult work I can understand why there is a lack of budget for a TV series, at least something is happening. Its with huge international, family friendly successes that the shoddy animation gets to me more.
 
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jett

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I can't think of a single where mixing CG with anime didn't look like shit. It even looks like shit in Ghibli's movies.
 
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Citizen_Insane

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It seems like every anime looks good somehow, but Berserk is the one that gets shafted. Whyyy couldn't they just have done a drawn look instead of this cg mix garbage.
 
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Kyuur

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Kilrogg said:
Huh? I thought the original anime looked way better than either the OVAs or this. I'm sure it could have looked even better, but still, it was well-animated, with no crappy CGI, and it had a nice mood... Though to be fair, the mood was tremendously helped by the fantastic soundtrack.

This will at least have that over the Golden Age OVAs, if Hirasawa's new track is any indication.
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The original had meh character designs and bland overall visual direction. I also don't consider anything with the number of stills that it had to have 'good animation' just because it has a few good cuts here and there. If I wanted to look at stills I'd just read the manga.

Octavianus said:
Why do this? It looks so bad.

Like beyond Naruto levels of bad.
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What does this even mean?
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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HStallion said:
I think there are ton's of studios that could do it. I just used Madhouse as an example because of the wonderful job they did with both One Punch Man in terms of animation and looking great and that they did something like Hunter x Hunter which was a much longer running adaptation that still looked great and animated as good too.
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It's just funny, because what makes anime shows good is more the individual people working on them than the studio which happens to house them for the duration of the show. The anime industry is so based on freelancers, outside Kyoto Animation. Many of the people who worked on Madhouse's Hunter X Hunter are presently working on Ushio and Tora at MAPPA and Studio Voln. The interesting stuff in One Punch Man was done by freelance animators from around the industry, most of whom had previously worked with Shingo Natsume on Space Dandy at Bones. Just looking at the studio names gives a very incomplete and sometimes inaccurate picture of what's going on.

Or, if you all are such big Madhouse fans, I hope you thoroughly enjoyed Prince of Stride Alternative and are looking forward to Alderamin of the Sky!

jett said:
I can't think of a single where mixing CG with anime didn't look like shit. It even looks like shit in Ghibli's movies.
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I would disagree. Even as early as My Neighbors the Yamadas, Isao Takahata was making good use of digital and CG tools at Ghibli. Recently there have been a number of excellent looking anime CG: Majin Bone, Show by Rock, the Go Princess Precure film, Fafner Exodus, etc.

Citizen_Insane said:
It seems like every anime looks good somehow, but Berserk is the one that gets shafted. Whyyy couldn't they just have done a drawn look instead of this cg mix garbage.
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I can assure you that Berserk is not the only manga which has received a poor anime adaptation!
 
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Imperfected

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hosannainexcelsis said:
What's with the attitude expressed here that Madhouse is the only good animation studio around?
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I don't think they're the only good animation studio, but they do sort of have a sterling track record when it comes to ultra-violence with minimal censorship, and this is Berserk we're talking about...
 
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hosannainexcelsis

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Imperfected said:
I don't think they're the only good animation studio, but they do sort of have a sterling track record when it comes to ultra-violence with minimal censorship, and this is Berserk we're talking about...
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Censorship requirements come from TV stations; animation studios have no control over that. Remember the censorship in early Hunter X Hunter 2011?
 
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Imperfected

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hosannainexcelsis said:
Censorship requirements come from TV stations; animation studios have no control over that. Remember the censorship in early Hunter X Hunter 2011?
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That isn't entirely true.

There's a degree of self-censorship in any artistic endeavor, even before the station becomes involved. Madhouse seems pretty comfortable just throwing everything on the table and letting the TV edit come as it may, rather than trying to preemptively tone things down in the hopes of sliding by censors. As a result, you get some insanely bombastic ultra-violence (Hellsing Ultimate, Shigurui, Highschool of the Dead, etc.) in the original cuts, even if the TV edit is cut back.
 
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Admiral Woofington

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I got my wish didn't I god?

Crash bandicoot coming back in Skylanders

Berserk Anime with shitty art style of weird awkward shadows

And Michael Bay continues to make movies

Poetic justice
 
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Narag

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Imperfected said:
That isn't entirely true.

There's a degree of self-censorship in any artistic endeavor, even before the station becomes involved. Madhouse seems pretty comfortable just throwing everything on the table and letting the TV edit come as it may, rather than trying to preemptively tone things down in the hopes of sliding by censors. As a result, you get some insanely bombastic ultra-violence (Hellsing Ultimate, Shigurui, Highschool of the Dead, etc.) in the original cuts, even if the TV edit is cut back.
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Those are late night anime iirc which HxX eventually became. Beginning was on a Sunday morning timeslot.
 
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Cwarrior

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eyyessh anime CG, I will never understand why they dump down the frame rate to give it that choppy anime feel.

Am expecting the music to be good at least.

Promo art cover looks good.

hosannainexcelsis said:
What's with the attitude expressed here that Madhouse is the only good animation studio around?
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Berserk is good fit for Madhouse, they work on Hellsing ultmate and Claymore show they pretty good fit for dark gothic atmosphere of Berserk.

Plus Berserk is very long serise and Madhouse managed put out an amazing run of 100+ episode of Hunter x Hunter which ended looking more beautiful as it went on.

Getting a Hunter x Hunter 2011 like run would be dream come true as a Berserk fan.
 
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Blade30

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Cwarrior said:
eyesh anime CG, I will never understand why they dump down the frame rate to give it that choppy anime feel.

Am expecting the music to good at least.
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The only thing I found

Part of the problem is that not only are CG artists trying to imitate the look of 2D animation, but they're trying to imitate an aesthetic that was born out of cost-cutting. If anime had always been lavishly funded, it might have consistently been animated on 1's or 2's (that is, 24 or 12 frames per second, or a cel every 1 or 2 film frames). But it's usually far less. To try and match that, CG artists have started rendering at lower frame rates -- 6 or even 4 frames per second.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-01-13/.97503
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It's basically the budget.

I'm not so sure about the music, it's the same guy who did the movies but I didn't really like it as it felt to generic and I even can't remember it.
 
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