Because it was handled extremely poorly, the writing and character development. They did a better job with Chief in Halo 4, and Bungie of course did the best especially in Halo 3.
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4chan: Alleged former 343 employee shares studio details on Halo reception & develop.
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Doesn't surprise me the squad system is what fucked over the campaign. I don't know what on earth compelled them to do that. Anyone who wants to play co-op will play multiplayer stuff, leave the campaign alone. After the mistakes of Halo 4 I thought Halo 5 was going to easily be stronger, but instead it was the worst campaign yet.
How dare people have different opinions than yours.
He was actually killed off in a book. Not that you're specifying it had to be him, just throwing it out there.
funkystudent
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I kind of hope 343 kill off Master Chief and Cortana for good in Halo 6.
They want to tell a story those characters are not meant for and its resulting in this round peg in a square hole feeling every time with them. All new characters would step around that.
They want to tell a story those characters are not meant for and its resulting in this round peg in a square hole feeling every time with them. All new characters would step around that.
Vire
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Not sure I want new characters if Locke and The Didact are what we can expect from 343's writing staff.
BleedOrange
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The Halo universe is huge, and there is room to tell a lot of different stories in it. This is absolutely not true.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Adam Tyner
Member
Completely agree. One other turnoff for me were some action-packed cutscenes that left me wondering "why am I watching this happen instead of playing it?"
Sure, you can have good games like Reach and ODST. But at some point you're gonna need to return and make another game with Chief and Cortana. I wouldn't mind if they alternate to keep it fresh, but you can't kill off Chief and Cortana.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
343 is openly halo only, you don't go there to work on a new IP.
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johnnydrama
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Only thing we can do is hope for a well-written Halo 6 campaign. Halo 5 campaign was not only extremely short, but also rushed and shabbily written. It's a shame because Halo 4 campaign was quite enjoyable.
tearsintherain
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I played a bit of Halo 1 but don't really remember anything, so Halo 5 was my first real Halo that I would remember. I finished the campaign but didn't really enjoy it at all, most of the time I was playing as this new guy who was chasing the chief and the extrtemely short time I got to play as the chief it was AWESOME but all I was doing was chasing someone - Cortana as chief, chief as Locke. I understood the whole AI story but thought it was pretty cliche and boring. I still have no clue why Halo 5 didn't feature Master Chief as the main character for 100% of the game, and I think a part of me is very disgruntled at the game for feeling like marketing designed the game so they could bring in new heroes for future games.
I dunno, it just wasn't a very good game, multiplayer didn't engage me much and all in all it felt like a game that I've seen and played a million times and didn't do anything that well. The only level I honestly remember is the one on the alien planet where you just walk around and talk to friendly aliens, that was pretty cool.
I dunno, it just wasn't a very good game, multiplayer didn't engage me much and all in all it felt like a game that I've seen and played a million times and didn't do anything that well. The only level I honestly remember is the one on the alien planet where you just walk around and talk to friendly aliens, that was pretty cool.
This fucking cutting campaigns and stories down until they're barely recognizable just fucking sucks and apparently it happens all the time.
Why even have writers???
Is nobody actually managing these projects?
Goddamnit
They way I see it they're already beginning to run it into ground with what they did to Cortana in Halo 5. In hindsight it might have been better to let those characters rest and write new ones.
RandomExpletive
Member
Oh no yeah, obviously you wouldn't go back to Rookie, but something similar to ODST I can't think of anyone in their right mind that would complain about that... well thats not true this is Halo, we gotta complain about SOMETHING
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
I don't disagree, but it wouldn't be the first time an iconic character has had their voice replaced by one that's similar enough. Mickey, Bugs, Kermit are all good examples
Pretty much.
I enjoyed it but it definitely shit the bed hard. So much potential from the early trailers and we ended up with... that.
iconoclast
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Prometheans were fun to fight in Halo 5. They were dreadful in 4, but they improved them a ton. They're certainly better than the flood or Halo 2 brutes, at the very least. Story-wise, Halo 5's campaign wasn't that good, but it was still pretty well designed as a game. The only thing that really sticks out as being bad is the boss fight, which both isn't good and gets repeated a bunch. The rest was fun.
Either way this is probably bullshit. 4chan + no proof = lol.
Either way this is probably bullshit. 4chan + no proof = lol.
Campaign definitely felt rushed, at least from a narrative perspective. Cutscenes were really short and sparse. They ended so abruptly and there was no real meat to the storytelling at all. There are a couple of key themes in the story that would have had some impact had they fleshed them out, but instead it just feels rushed and underdeveloped. For instance, the entire dynamic between Cortana stemming from Halsey's mind and the thought of safeguarding humanity (Spartans/Guardians) taken to an extreme makes sense if done right.
It does feel like most of the focus for 5 went into redefining the core mechanics on the gameplay side and ensuring people would be happy with the MP/Warzone, which for the most part it sounds like people are satisfied with.
Getting to work on Xbox's biggest franchise is why you go there. If you work at 343 there's no fear of working on something that might be a total flop, or something that the company doesn't believe in. Knowing that you go there to work on Halo is probably one of their biggest recruitment strengths.
It does feel like most of the focus for 5 went into redefining the core mechanics on the gameplay side and ensuring people would be happy with the MP/Warzone, which for the most part it sounds like people are satisfied with.
Getting to work on Xbox's biggest franchise is why you go there. If you work at 343 there's no fear of working on something that might be a total flop, or something that the company doesn't believe in. Knowing that you go there to work on Halo is probably one of their biggest recruitment strengths.
This fucking cutting campaigns and stories down until they're barely recognizable just fucking sucks and apparently it happens all the time.
Why even have writers???
Is nobody actually managing these projects?
Goddamnit
Or...like the 500 people on NeoGAF who claim to know the next Star Wars script, they are full of shit and just enjoy the attention they get for lying about stuff.
blue_phazon
Member
He left Bungie didn't he?
Maybe 343 could snatch him.
Of course, I may be thinking of someone else.
SpiceMelange
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It's got its up and downs. You can also freely speak your mind even if it's controversial in there.
He works with Microsoft doing story related things now, I believe. He's working on ReCore right now.
Corporal Hicks
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Why would a former 343 Employee post on 4Chan instead of a more reputable website...and the word former...did he get laid off...was he fired...maybe he was a temp. A lot of questions... What do you yall think?
Bornstellar
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Not for long I wager.
Anonymity, clearly.
NoLongerALurker
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Some interesting stuff. Probably all fake though. The guy says Halo 5 gets 10-15k players a day and 20-25k when new dlc drops doesn't match what Frankie said the other day where they get hundreds of thousands of unique players daily.
A socially adjusted adult with a resume can probably come up with a dozen other ways to anonymously talk about his former employer. Preferably one that isn't on the internet's toilet.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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ElRenoRaven
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So yea finally read all the way through. The guy never gives anything that you couldn't gleam from interviews and vidocs from 343 minus the details we can't verify like him working on Reach's update and the hand off from Bungie to 343. I mean you could tell they obviously changed things from reveal trailer to what we got. It doesn't take someone working at 343 to know that. Then everyone with a brain could tell 343 outsourced the hell out of MCC. That wasn't hidden. Even the details like it was supposed to be a package and then they included H2A was talked about. Everything else sounds like fan fiction story wise.
I'm sticking with this is fake.
I'm sticking with this is fake.
It's something you notice in A LOT of games, no matter if this particular post is true or not and it's definitely the case for Halo.
The fact that so many stories of multimillion budget games turn out to be rushed, incoherent messes that eventually go fucking nowhere is simply baffling.
Eolz
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It's harder to track you down, but only if you're smart enough to not leave hints everywhere like this guy is doing (obviously, if legit).
There is some legit leaks there, and some people would be surprised to know how some devs and studios actually go on 4chan.
Halo 5 went no where? Lol stop it.
There are few differences between those characters and chief I think make a significant difference
All of those characters you listed exist in a format that doesn't really have continuity. Not only that, but the primary demographic for those characters are kids, which means not only is there less of an issue with replacing voices since I would imagine kids don't care as much, but you also have a constant income of kids who never heard the old voices.
These things that help the issue of replacing a VA don't exist in Halo. It's a continuous story, with one continuity. It's primary demographic is late teens to adults.
But if they could find someone who does a steve downes voice like all the impersonators they can find for Tex Avery, then...maybe.
Back on the main topic though, Halo is an entire universe.
Saying that Halo isn't Halo without the Chief is like saying there should never be a new star wars without Luke, or a star trek without Picard. I it just makes no sense to me.
Final Verdict
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As long as chief's story is ongoing, I don't see them being able to break out of the linear sort of campaign that they have allways done.
I would like them to at least give chiefs story a really good (temporary) sort of ending and do some other stuff with the franchise.
But leave room to return to chief in the future.
I feel like the fact that franchises like the legend of Zelda and Mario don't have officially story cannons in the way Halo do es has given Nintendo a whole lot more room to innovate on the gameplay side.
I think one of the reasons Bungie wanted to leave halo is because they were starting to feel restricted by the halo universe in terms of new gameplay and ideas they could bring that would still make sense in the halo universe.
So by leaving master chiefs story alone for a while, perhaps it would give 343 some more room for imagination to tell stories that either happened deep back in the past of the halo universe, or perhaps far into the future where things are much different.
I would like them to at least give chiefs story a really good (temporary) sort of ending and do some other stuff with the franchise.
But leave room to return to chief in the future.
I feel like the fact that franchises like the legend of Zelda and Mario don't have officially story cannons in the way Halo do es has given Nintendo a whole lot more room to innovate on the gameplay side.
I think one of the reasons Bungie wanted to leave halo is because they were starting to feel restricted by the halo universe in terms of new gameplay and ideas they could bring that would still make sense in the halo universe.
So by leaving master chiefs story alone for a while, perhaps it would give 343 some more room for imagination to tell stories that either happened deep back in the past of the halo universe, or perhaps far into the future where things are much different.
I don't quite believe it. Not saying Halo is getting major numbers buts that's below BF4 and slightly above titanfall numbers ( not recent titanfall but like 1.5 years after launch)
And they already said it had higher retention rates than 4
NormalFish
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I always find myself believing these things even if it's on 4ch from some random. It sounds way too mundane to be fake lol. Everything in here sounds pretty much akin to what a levelheaded armchair analyst would say.
sir_dany12
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He said they are working on a new engine.
That doesn't make sense to me when they already did that for Halo 5. What would be the point of starting over again?!
That doesn't make sense to me when they already did that for Halo 5. What would be the point of starting over again?!
Vire
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Stinkles hasn't come in as he usually does to spout bullshit from the mountain tops so it must be at least somewhat plausible.
Why though?
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