Corporal Hicks
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I see, thank you kindly and others who replied. Must be my personal bias of 4chan of being the darkest and cringe area of the internet. I am still gonna say fake however. I need more proof.
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4chan: Alleged former 343 employee shares studio details on Halo reception & develop.
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I see, thank you kindly and others who replied. Must be my personal bias of 4chan of being the darkest and cringe area of the internet. I am still gonna say fake however. I need more proof.
Alpha Phoenix
Member
I'm not seeing anything particularly mindblowing about what he's saying, whether legit or not.
SpiceMelange
Member
Actually it's inline with xbox one game popularity list. Halo 5 is at BF level, which you can see it's population and it's around 10k.
Killer Queen
Banned
I understand why they did it, I just don't like that they did it. I've played every Halo campaign since CE with my younger brother and him getting me to play CE with him is what jump started my descent into gaming so playing Halo 5 without him didn't seem right.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
People saying they can't get rid of Chief even though there's already multiple games in the franchise that didn't have him or only featured him as a co-protagonist and still did very well. If anything, they should have left him where he was at the end of Halo 3.
I Reclaim3mer 117
Neo Member
I wonder how this thread is going to go once Frankie comes in here and gives us factual information.
Yeah, I don't get why this is necessary.
Chief's and Cortana's relationship is one of the best things about Halo, getting rid of that takes away a big element of what makes Halo Halo.
We saw what a non-Chief game is with Halo 5 and it wasn't pretty.
Finale Fireworker
Member
As somebody who thinks Halo 4 is the quantifiable narrative peak of the series with a complex and moving story, Halo 5 will always be one of the most disappointing follow ups I've ever known.
Halo is like Assassin's Creed in a way: the massive fan base has stayed with the series for different reasons. Some are in it for story and the lore and others are in it for the competitive online multiplayer. Some were even in it for the couch coop. So who do you make the game for? You don't have the time or budget to invest in everything. The list of demands has gotten too long for your business model. You will inevitably disappoint somebody. And by somebody, I mean a sizable portion of your most loyal, but divided, fans.
I mean, Halo is the only series that can be shamed and lambasted for the state of its multiplayer on the MCC, but have that same "broken" collection win the IGN user award for best remaster. The divide is as wide as the modern day drama/historical fiction fans in Assassin's Creed fans, and just as difficult to reconcile.
Who knows if there will ever be another Halo with a story as as 4 and multiplayer as good as 2/3. Halo might not be able to sustain the empire it built anymore.
I never played Halo for the multiplayer, so I can really only echo the opinions of others I've heard. But you get the point I was making either way.
Halo is like Assassin's Creed in a way: the massive fan base has stayed with the series for different reasons. Some are in it for story and the lore and others are in it for the competitive online multiplayer. Some were even in it for the couch coop. So who do you make the game for? You don't have the time or budget to invest in everything. The list of demands has gotten too long for your business model. You will inevitably disappoint somebody. And by somebody, I mean a sizable portion of your most loyal, but divided, fans.
I mean, Halo is the only series that can be shamed and lambasted for the state of its multiplayer on the MCC, but have that same "broken" collection win the IGN user award for best remaster. The divide is as wide as the modern day drama/historical fiction fans in Assassin's Creed fans, and just as difficult to reconcile.
Who knows if there will ever be another Halo with a story as as 4 and multiplayer as good as 2/3. Halo might not be able to sustain the empire it built anymore.
I never played Halo for the multiplayer, so I can really only echo the opinions of others I've heard. But you get the point I was making either way.
He may not be able to say if it's true or not because of NDA anyway.
There is, it's called Halo 5.
Halo 3 may have been good "at the time" but it's aged horribly. The MCC made that more apparent.
deadscreensky
Member
I can't understand why so many Halo fans pretend that Master Chief is some iconic character the series should never move away from.
As a practically silent protagonist he was fine, I liked him in the original Halo trilogy, but he doesn't have such a force of personality that the series needs him. Honestly I'm having trouble thinking of many other gaming series going on for 15+ years with a single main character. Master Chief isn't James Bond or something, the games are far more about the gameplay mechanics and the setting, they always have been.
(I assume these details are all nonsense, obviously.)
As a practically silent protagonist he was fine, I liked him in the original Halo trilogy, but he doesn't have such a force of personality that the series needs him. Honestly I'm having trouble thinking of many other gaming series going on for 15+ years with a single main character. Master Chief isn't James Bond or something, the games are far more about the gameplay mechanics and the setting, they always have been.
(I assume these details are all nonsense, obviously.)
Diprosalic
Banned
if this is not true, it should be.
It's Saturday and the best move when unsubstantiated stuff like this drops is often not to talk about it at all.
NullPointer
Member
Besides any other reasons, because the universe Bungie and 343 have created is larger than those two characters.
You can tell more stories, and different stories without having to have those two personalities as the prophetic chosen-one center of each.
And you can bring in more inclusiveness ta boot. Let each player customize their own spartans or AIs and bring them into campaign, co-op and competitive, rather than the standby of gruff mcgrufferson and his spunky side-kick or the silent lone-wolf protagonist.
There's so much more than could be done, even within the rough gameplay boundaries marked by previous Halos. That's my take anyway, and I'd be just fine with new games that have nothing to do with The Chief or Cortana.
Breh WITH Chief and Cortana Halo's always been just another sci-fi shooter in terms of aesthetics and story. What's always separated Halo from everything else is the gameplay.
Vire
Member
Pretty sure Frank has the new GAF thread topic Twitter account linked with his brain. #facts
ethomaz
Banned
If you look the games without Chief you will understand why...
Finale Fireworker
Member
I never played Halo for the multiplayer, so I can really only echo the opinions of others I've heard. But you get the point I was making either way.
NormalFish
Banned
Going through this, the idea of a modern FPS with CE-esque open endedness really appeals. Even the more offbeat FPS titles seem to miss the mark on that.
rofl
rofl
disagree
NullPointer
Member
Reach and ODST and Halo Wars if you want to count RTS? Yeah, those were great.
Halo 5 was undercooked and deceptively marketed though.
Welfare
Member
Yeah, that's about a third to half of what BF4 has right now. We also know that retention is better than Halo 4, and it didn't drop that low until much later in its life. Going to call bullshit on that one.
For the most part, yes, Halo 4 is also my favorite in terms of SP. Yet, I wasn't as dissapointed as others for Halo 5's story. Not as good as Halo 4? Nah, but I'm intrigued to see where it going none-the-less.
When was the last time you played Halo 3? Cause even 2 has aged better than it. Hell, for all Halo 4's MP's shortcomings, the simple act of moving and shooting in that feels leagues better than Halo 3 ever did.
blue_phazon
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In terms of campaigns, Reach and ODST were good.
Also you play as Chief in Halo 4 so....
paragonpro
Banned
I figured most of the story was left on the cutting room floor
It wasnt shit, but it paled in comparison to halo 4's excellent story. I still feel that 4 told the best story, and 3 had the best gameplay.
It wasnt shit, but it paled in comparison to halo 4's excellent story. I still feel that 4 told the best story, and 3 had the best gameplay.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Fake or not, this part needs to be real.
ethomaz
Banned
These are the games (except Halo Wars) that received more criticism before 5/4.
Reach is a love/hate case while previous Halos was universal love.
Oh don't worry, some people here will make it mindblowing if it's the last thing they do.
Locke and his whole team as well as team blue was such a letdown after Halo Reach that actually took the time to flesh out its characters.
The whole story revolved around chief and cortana yet it felt like only cortana grew in the end (and completely unexpectedly and not in a good way)
They really should look at reach for fleshing out the two teams.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Let's be honest, Halo 3's Beleive campaign was much more interesting than what w got in Halo 3's campaign but nobody is trashing Bungie over it.
rokkerkory
Member
Interesting stuff if true. Most of it sounds plausible.
Would fuckin love a return to CE however. Stop making the sp more complex but simple with great fire fight sets.
Would fuckin love a return to CE however. Stop making the sp more complex but simple with great fire fight sets.
Aesthetics? Maybe if you only look at the human military parts, but there's much more to Halo's aesthetics.
It's is a rare sci-fi shooter that's not afraid to be colorful and funny. No other game looks or sounds like Bungie's Halo.
Welfare
Member
If true, I wonder if he can be found out since he was a "core guy" for the Arena REQ packs.
NullPointer
Member
Its hard to talk about love/hate without specifying campaign or multiplayer or co-op, as there are many kinds of Halo fans., and we come to the game for different things. But I'm going to assume you're limiting criticism to the campaign since we're talking about the Chief and Cortana?
samurai1226
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"Original story of Halo 5 involved chief essentially running around the Galaxy destroying the remaining Halo rings and Locke being sent out to stop him. Cortana is basically communicating to him like she does in Halo 5 to get him to do this because if the Halo rings are gone, the reclemation essentially gets jumpstarted by AI as a safely measure. The cloak was just a cloak, mostly just to symbolize loneliness. Yeah it's kind of cheesy."
This story makes much more sense than what's left of it. And it would fit the marketing, if he's activating the Guardians to destroy the rings
This story makes much more sense than what's left of it. And it would fit the marketing, if he's activating the Guardians to destroy the rings
Thanks.
I imagined they had been successful, not sure what to believe here though!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If it's real definitely he shares some rather distinct stuff in the thread.
Bornstellar
Member
There are no arena req packs thanks to the powers that be. He's on the wrong side here.
I'm doubting his claims now as I recall Frankie or another 343 Industries stated that they never even worked on developing splitscreen mode. Let alone they would have known long before the Beta Splitscreen wouldn't work.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
No and yes.
If what he says is true, then 343i really have no idea what to do with the series and doesn't have a clue how to make it interesting again. Most of what they do is follow trends and see what sticks. Things like Iron sights and the Halo weapon 4 drops felt weird and out of place in a Halo game, but other popular games did it so they thought they might do it too.
How the might Halo has fallen.
How the might Halo has fallen.
More explosions brah.
The movement and shooting aspects were always shitty in Halo 3. It isn't relative to its time.
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