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[KingSnake]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

It is not a 6TF GPU plus CPU, this is an important fact and is being ignored in the assumption of the spec by many.

If the PS4 Neo (which was reported to be subject to change by DF) is 4.4tf in the GPU plus whatever rating the CPU is, then difference might not be much at all.

Are you just summing up teraflops of GPU and CPU to get total teraflops? That's an interesting approach. How many terraflops for the current PS4 CPU?

 

[cheezcake]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

It is not a 6TF GPU plus CPU, this is an important fact and is being ignored in the assumption of the spec by many.

If the PS4 Neo (which was reported to be subject to change by DF) is 4.4tf in the GPU plus whatever rating the CPU is, then difference might not be much at all.


I expect Neo spec to change like the PS4 did at a later stage, MS played all their cards, Sony can change the spec (like the rumoured by DF CPU upgrade).

Let's wait and see if the 30-40% does appear.


Also price (same as what hindered the PS3) and by PR is what killed the X1, not spec, as that was just an additional kick in the balls.

Do we have confirmation about 6tf being total system spec? I distinctly remember the video stating a 6tf GPU but it could be a mistake. It's also relatively quite easy to bump up the RAM, IIRC they literally just use identical physically sized modules but with twice the capacity as was in the 4GB devkits, PCB layout and testing changes are minimal. If they want to upgrade Neo appreciably, there's no way they can make up the gap with only an upclock, so they need to add CU's to the APU which complicates PCB design, layout, routing and product testing quite a bit, probably unfeasibly so if they still want to hit market earlier than Scorpio.

 

[timberger]

That is a lot of buzzwords that mean exactly nothing.

 

[Markoman]

You already know the games Scorpio will be getting in the next years ? Cool.

C'mon dude, he really has a point there. Most of the games MS announced for Xbox One three years ago still haven't been released yet and now Xbox One is on its final legs. Compared to Sony the number of new titles announced is pretty low. That was my main reason to switch from 360 back to Sony.
Ms can give us a NASA computer for 399€..but they can't catch up with creating new talented studios. By the time Halo 6 is released Scorpio will be old news.
Time to develop AAA game >>>> Time to develop new hardware iteration

 

[JaggedSac]

Are they doing that based on the bandwidth? I could see them perhaps adding some ram so that games can get a full 8GB to use

Yes, and the render.

 

[Leyasu]

It's actually a very nicely written and interesting article including also some details/speculations not directly obvious from Microsoft's presentation. Of course, you might not be interested in such details specific to DF, but then it begs the question what are you even doing in this thread beside making a very bad first post?

The xbone is my only current gen console. Of course I am thirsty for info. How can a "spec analysis" be considered that when it's filled up with nothing but speculation... Albeit reasonably well informed speculation I will concede.

 

[darkinstinct]

Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.

That 4k image downscaled to 1080p should look glorious. Not a single pixelated edge to be seen.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

It is not a 6TF GPU plus CPU, this is an important fact and is being ignored in the assumption of the spec by many.

Wrong.

They specifically said a 6TFLOPS GPU.

 

[darkinstinct]

Do we have confirmation about 6tf being total system spec? I distinctly remember the video stating a 6tf GPU but it could be a mistake. It's also relatively quite easy to bump up the RAM, IIRC they literally just use identical physically sized modules but with twice the capacity as was in the 4GB devkits, PCB layout and testing changes are minimal. If they want to upgrade Neo appreciably, there's no way they can make up the gap with only an upclock, so they need to add CU's to the APU which complicates PCB design, layout, routing and product testing quite a bit, probably unfeasibly so if they still want to hit market earlier than Scorpio.

Xbox press conference, 1:27:07 hour mark: "6 teraflops of GPU power".

 

[Bgamer90]

Sony's spec advantage will go away in 18 months from today.

And return in 12 months past that.

And disappear 12 months after that.

And return in 12 months past that.

Then disappear again.

Then return again.

I highly doubt we will see new consoles releasing every 1.5 years. A PS5 in 2018 would really upset people who will get a PS4 Neo.

A new console/model every 3-4 years seems to be the plan.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.

No. The future is 4K WITH SUPER GRAPHICS, at least until we have 8K WITH SUPER GRAPHICS.

We must push forward, onward, upward.

 

[KingSnake]

No. The future is 4K WITH SUPER GRAPHICS, at least until we have 8K WITH SUPER GRAPHICS.

We must push forward, onward, upward.

Downsampling from 4k or 8k to 1080p will make the games look astounding, I don't see what's to complain about here?

 

[foxbeldin]

Are you just summing up teraflops of GPU and CPU to get total teraflops? That's an interesting approach. How many terraflops for the current PS4 CPU?

Something like 0.1

 

[UpUpDownDown]

So digital foundry is doing a technical review of.... Words?

 

[c0de]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

I am pretty sure that they said yesterday this is only the GPU.

 

[pitchfork]

Where Jeff Rigby at?

 

[c0de]

How many terraflops for the current PS4 CPU?

None.

 

[leeh]

I can see that 30-40 percent is suddenly very important again.

In all respect, if they go with Zen, which is heavily rumoured, then it's going to be more night and day rather than a 40% figure.

 

[FunkyDealer]

24 carat pixels. The gold standard.

 

[c0de]

I can see that 30-40 percent is suddenly very important again.

Suddenly? That is some serious selective perception.

 

[Akai__]

Why not release it as a new console?

So what if its the most powerful console? Its still limited by the original xbone

In what way is it limited to the original Xbox One? Care to explain?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

All the Gigglebops
All the ban wits
Free range textures

Scorpio duh gawd

 

[Inuteu]

Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.

we will end up playing "cross gen" games that run "well" on the old xbox

 

[LordRaptor]

I highly doubt we will see new consoles releasing every 1.5 years. A PS5 in 2018 would really upset people who will get a PS4 Neo.

A new console/model every 3-4 years seems to be the plan.

I also don't see new consoles releasing every 18-24 months, but not because I see either MS or Sony desperate to maintain consumer goodwill - I just don't think either of them have infinite expenditure to do so.
This is like, final death grip time in a bitterly fought and expensive duel. I think one of them has to give up and concede victory to the other at some point.

 

[synce]

Sounds promising but I think they have the wrong idea. People who want the best graphics are sure to choose PC over any console. Scorpio beating Neo in DF face offs isn't going to win them the generation. They should've put that money towards unique exclusives instead

 

[FyreWulff]

Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.

Practically guaranteed there'll be sub 4K games.

 

[leeh]

Do we have confirmation about 6tf being total system spec? I distinctly remember the video stating a 6tf GPU but it could be a mistake. It's also relatively quite easy to bump up the RAM, IIRC they literally just use identical physically sized modules but with twice the capacity as was in the 4GB devkits, PCB layout and testing changes are minimal. If they want to upgrade Neo appreciably, there's no way they can make up the gap with only an upclock, so they need to add CU's to the APU which complicates PCB design, layout, routing and product testing quite a bit, probably unfeasibly so if they still want to hit market earlier than Scorpio.

I thought this as well, but if you listen to the video they say "6TFlops of computing power on the SoC" and then quickly refer to the GPU after that. Quite sneaky.

 

[Bulby]

So digital foundry is doing a technical review of.... Words?

Jesus, at least read it

 

[ninjablade]

fuck. DF is saying this will most likely have a jaguar cpu.

 

[MaineUPTDC]

Both companies have their fair share of exclusive games, y'all can kill that noise.

This whole gen has been about power/resolution and DF comparisons.

 

[mrklaw]

I highly doubt we will see new consoles releasing every 1.5 years. A PS5 in 2018 would really upset people who will get a PS4 Neo.

A new console/model every 3-4 years seems to be the plan.

you could have a new console every 1.5 years with each platform holder releasing every 3 years..

 

[Miles X]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

It is not a 6TF GPU plus CPU, this is an important fact and is being ignored in the assumption of the spec by many.

If the PS4 Neo (which was reported to be subject to change by DF) is 4.4tf in the GPU plus whatever rating the CPU is, then difference might not be much at all.


I expect Neo spec to change like the PS4 did at a later stage, MS played all their cards, Sony can change the spec (like the rumoured by DF CPU upgrade).

Let's wait and see if the 30-40% does appear.


Also price (same as what hindered the PS3) and by PR is what killed the X1, not spec, as that was just an additional kick in the balls.

It's a remarkable turnabout. A good portion of PlayStation 4's success has been down to its spec advantage over Xbox One, combined with a focus on the hardcore player. Sony's technological advantage will be gone with the next wave of hardware - we already know that it cannot support true 4K resolution on cutting-edge games, because we've seen the internal documents that outline Sony's upscaling strategies for 4K display support (more on that soon). It's also unfeasible for Sony to produce a radically revised Neo - the silicon has been designed, developer kits have gone out. Matching Scorpio would require scrapping Neo's existing processor completely.

Not sure it'll be as easy this time around.

 

[sun-drop]

There is no point in Sony changing there spec here.

The intention is this is a ps4 tier console to keep people happy until ps5 in a couple years or so.

The games on this thing have to run on the OG ps4 ,sans a few effects and textures...Sony gets way more out of this move if they can launch cheaper and sooner.

 

[Bsigg12]

6 tf is the total of the system, including CPU.

It is not a 6TF GPU plus CPU, this is an important fact and is being ignored in the assumption of the spec by many.

If the PS4 Neo (which was reported to be subject to change by DF) is 4.4tf in the GPU plus whatever rating the CPU is, then difference might not be much at all.


I expect Neo spec to change like the PS4 did at a later stage, MS played all their cards, Sony can change the spec (like the rumoured by DF CPU upgrade).

Let's wait and see if the 30-40% does appear.


Also price (same as what hindered the PS3) and by PR is what killed the X1, not spec, as that was just an additional kick in the balls.

Microsoft explicitly said it is a 6TF GPU along with 8 CPU cores with all signs pointing to Zen.

 

[Risk Breaker]

Since they didn't mention the CPU being Zen, it's most likely Jaguar. Otherwise they would boast about it and add it to the buzzword list

 

[shanew21]

Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.

Major did an interview with Phil where Phil basically said it'll be up to the developers to decide how to use that horsepower. If they want to make a ridiculous 1080p game they can.

 

[c0de]

Since they didn't mention the CPU being Zen, it's most likely Jaguar. Otherwise they would boast about it and add it to the buzzword list

They didn't mention anything at all but numbers.

 

[Portugeezer]

I feel like the PS4 Neo will come out early next year.

Didn't the GiantBomb leak say something that games after October 2016 will need to have some sort of Neo mode compatibility, there is a reason for that surely seeing as all games will work on Neo/Scorpio in the future anyway without a required "Neo" mode.

 

[CCIE]

This is about MS losing out on third party because the XB1 is so inferior to the PS4. Looks like it will be a beast - they at least have my attention

 

[dead monkey uk]

Digital Foundry saying the Scorpio is likely to use a version of the Jaguar CPU sounds crazy, surely a Zen CPU is more likely.

The Scorpio is going to be a flagship for the Xbox brand, I think its going to be more expensive than people expect.

 

[AmFreak]

Microsoft explicitly said it is a 6TF GPU along with 8 CPU cores with all signs pointing to Zen.

8 cores make all signs pointing to everything else.
Do you know how huge, hot and power hungry 8 Zen cores would be?

 

[KillerMan91]

In what way is it limited to the original Xbox One? Care to explain?

Because big multiplatform games are going to be made original PS4 and Xbox One in mind for years to come?

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Downsampling from 4k or 8k to 1080p will make the games look astounding, I don't see what's to complain about here?

Then we must have 16K and downsample to 8K!

More dots!

MORE!

 

[RoKKeR]

Understood probably half of this article but still a very interesting read, and I can't wait to see how it all pans out.

Have to wonder what the price of this beast will be, and whether or not there will be consumer interest in it.

 

[Ravage]

This is going to end badly for the xbox division imo.

1. XB2 will cost significantly more than NEO for questionable gains (worsening CPU-GPU imbalance + every dev will be targeting vanilla PS4 as base)

2. The target audience of XB2 overlaps with the PC crowd, and the sharing of exclusives is only going to entice them to go full PC instead.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Free the pixel! No more compression!

 

[opticalmace]

Free the pixel! No more compression!

I can only afford mediocre quality pixels.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

2. The target audience of XB2 overlaps with the PC crowd, and the sharing of exclusives is only going to entice them to go full PC instead.

You couldn't be more wrong.

This is exactly what they want to happen. Xbox as a service.

 

[Laevateinn]

The Scorpio will build a wall around compressed pixels and make Xbox great again.

 

[KageMaru]

One thing I'm confused on is how could Fallout 4 VR be coming to Scorpio if they are using higher clocked Jaguar cores? The game seems CPU bound, so how do they expect to get the additional performance needed for VR?