AuthenticM
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The Neo will be revealed at Gamescom and released in October.
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Andrew House surprised by timing of Project Scorpio announcement
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Freeman
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Also, just because Xbox doesn't exist in Japan, doesn't mean Japan doesn't exist.
Goose_Se7en
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No one is discounting Sony's software efforts. In anything Sony has brought to the fore more indies than MS has at all this gen. That's not the point of contention here so don't misinterpret my post to feed your agenda here. This year has been solid for Sony in terms of exclusives. Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank, Gravity Rush Remastered etc. Their holiday offerings for sure are strong.
All I was trying to point out was hey "I can see why announcing Scorpio now, may sweep under the rug the fact that MS can say, hey ya'll we have better 1st/2nd party offerings than our competitors this holiday season"
The problem is twofold: first, the Xbone sales trajectory has fallen below 360 levels launch-aligned, and second, Xbox occupies a very different role for Microsoft now than it did back in 2008. Right now, its main role seems to be to cheerlead for the Windows 10 Store.
If you're on top and look to be maintaining that market position, it's going to be a lot harder to criticize your moves. However, if the reciprocal did happen and Sony was botching up their messaging as badly as Microsoft, then I can still see them get lambasted for that.
WTF is this shit post? Another "PS4 haz no gamez".
Goose_Se7en
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It would be nice, if you would actually engage with thoughtful and logical posts instead of the drive by shit posting you are actually doing.
This isn't a MS V Sony thing although for many here I can see that it is. No one is insinuating PS4 has no games. Did anyone see their press conference? Did anyone see all the games they have coming out in the next 12-18 months. I can't fucking believe I'm being called out for this shit. Me, a ps3 only guy last gen. Me who was so happy that Sony doubled down on their 1st party efforts last gen and gave us Uncharted, Resistance, InFamous, LBP, Killzone, Warhawk, and smaller titles like Shatter and Echochrome etc. I'm not the anti-sony guy here.
You ppl have got to be shitting me.
It's a shit post because you don't agree? Awesome.
And your post is logical. OK then.
It is shit post, especially the bolded one "what Sony got"! You agree with wrong and delusional statement! Awesome!
You literally started a list war and then asked "What's Sony got?"
Pathfinder
Member
If I may jump in, you are being a little oversensitive here.
WouldYouKindly
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JasoNsider
Member
I have a feeling many are setting up for disappointment. This holiday is for PSVR and some awesome big games (Last Guardian). I really can't see them releasing Neo this year.
Crimson_Gold
Member
PSVR is not meant to sell gangbusters. It'll sell out due to the number of units produced. Neo will not take away from it
Goose_Se7en
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But why do we have to trade barbs about it?
Last gen, X360 was "the console" but we all know that last gen Sony had MS beat when it came to the quality and quantity of 1st/2nd party games. This gen has been a little different and I feel that MS has Sony beat when it comes to exclusives.
Some people probably got upset I said that, sorry I guess. I hold Sony to a higher standard because last gen I was so spoiled by 1st party stuff. So far until just recently, not so much.
The.Great.One
Neo Member
One thing I don't understand is now that MS have kind of thrown the 'next gen' out there already which is what it realistically is, the jump from 1.3 teraflops to 6 teraflops is too big of a jump to ignore. So now when Sony's Neo releases at the rumoured 4.4 teraflops, are we going to see a massive performance difference between both games on multiplatform, let's say like a wiiu vs a ps3 sort of difference in comparison (not very technical) Hopefully people understand what I mean I'm not the best at explaining -_- And also when Sony finally decide to drop a new proper next gen let's say in 2019 something with 10 or so teraflops where does it leave MS and the scorpio as it would only be on the market for a couple of years. Its not like MS will drop anything soon to match sonys new console. So where does this leave the console space as both big hitters have unbalanced console releases resulting in big differences in specs and gaming performances most likely.
Going by teraflops alone, which honestly isn't a good way to go about it, but lets humour the thought:
PS4 has a 1.84 Teraflop GPU, compared to Xbox One's 1.31, which makes the PS4 around 40% faster than a standard Xbox One.
If the neo is at 4.4 teraflops and the Scorpio is at 6 teraflops that 'll mean that it'll be around 36% faster than a PS4 Neo.
So you should expect the same difference that we're seeing today between the two platforms, with some additional diminishing returns for good measure.
Again, that's with the teraflops from the GPU alone, which doesn't tell the whole story, at all.
Guess what : It's the same shit this gen too.
bitbydeath
Member
I'm sure most know it could still go either way at this point.
I really don't see what the big deal is about MS announcing Scorpio now. They are getting their asses handed to them on a platter with knife and fork by Sony, and that wasn't going to end. They have to do something to get back in the game, however....
I can't help but wonder what they hope to accomplish with new hardware when literally every game they announce is also playable on PC. Xbox has no exclusives left
Meanwhile Sony has very good hardware, it's own VR solution, tons of amazing exclusives, and an upgrade coming in the next 9-10 months which will enhance the overall experience. Put simply, they are doing it right, while MS has abandoned their original plan not once, not twice, but three times now.
I know y'all love Phil, but a business guy he is not. The Xbox division is a fucking mess.
I can't help but wonder what they hope to accomplish with new hardware when literally every game they announce is also playable on PC. Xbox has no exclusives left
Meanwhile Sony has very good hardware, it's own VR solution, tons of amazing exclusives, and an upgrade coming in the next 9-10 months which will enhance the overall experience. Put simply, they are doing it right, while MS has abandoned their original plan not once, not twice, but three times now.
I know y'all love Phil, but a business guy he is not. The Xbox division is a fucking mess.
Crayon
Member
This. Think about the difference between ps4 and x1 mulitplats.
I get what you're saying, but I think I find it kind of silly to list games that haven't been released and stating that one console has better exclusives than the other on pure counts. We all know the The Order 1886 and Ryse weren't seen as great exclusives and were poorly received. Did some people enjoy it? Yes! Are they considered genre topping games? Hell no! Those genre topping games are the exclusives that push people to make a console purchase and are highly acclaimed. It seems like Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne were those types of games.
In the future, we can't be certain which games will actually deliver, but we have things like studios track records and constant impressions throughout the year to help us determine whether a game is likely to be good/great. Gears 4 and Scalebound had poor E3 showings. If those games actually end up being disappointments, can you honestly say the quality is still up there even if Xbox has more exclusives? Sometimes your exclusives can't just be good - they really should be great, showcasing the best your system has to offer that offers something unique compared to the competition. This means that they have to offer something more than the multiplatform games. There are few games that do this that make it worth buying a console for (IMO).
Admiral Woofington
Member
Neo is being heavily associated with the psvr, bundle it together for a good price and release the psvr separate? Fuhged about it.
wesleyshark
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I 100% was not expecting Msoft to mention Scorpio at E3.. seems like just about everyone else assumed the same.
Honestly, I'm excited. However, it just makes the 18mo wait seem so much longer having the confirmation this early lol. At least for PlayStation owners, the turnaround time between announcement and release will be super short.
BryanGT
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Sure, "for a good price." Sell it for $1 and you'll sell 7 billion of them.
I just can't see a $400 headset and a $500 console (not to mention Move and Camera) coming in at a "great" price.
Dirtyshubb
Member
since when?
WouldYouKindly
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The only thing ill add (which i think has already been mentioned?) Is i did find it funny sonys conference seemed to be cut short by like 20 or so mins like they cut something...not saying ms scared them off but seems highly reasonable to think they are going back to the drawing board
Dirtyshubb
Member
Since some people decided that the article about it being crap on the standard ps4 was true or that neo would have the breakout box built in.
You know, delusional people.
The only rumour I've heard is that RDR was supposed to be there, but might have been cut because of Orlando. (can't remember who said that after the conference)
And I'd say the rest of your post is highly unreasonable.
Did you purposely forget God of War, Horizon, Spiderman, Days Gone, Detroit, Media Molecules game and probably others from your "list" of Sony exclusives?
Cause it kinda seems you're pretty up to date on what's going on, and you still ignored them.
That kinda makes you look like a dumb troll and very hard to take seriously.
...Scatter...
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Well devs have 18 months to figure out scaling. That should give time for the big engines to adapt to our new reality. Frostbite, UE4, etc.
I think everibody understands that a year later released console is more powerfull. Sony should release as soon as they can. No need to go back to the drawing board.
Goose_Se7en
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I honestly think Klepek was right in saying that MS has ostensibly for all intents and purposes have bowed out of this gen. They were never going to win, just to far behind, mindshare this gen has been all Sony and rightfully so. Mattrick and his team fumbled the launch, confounded by Sony's $399 price point at launch and that Shu/Boyes video did MS in. No amount of solid software was going to save them.
By releasing Scorpio, and with all that they introduced at e3 -the Xbox Play Anywhere initiative especially- I'm under the impression that Spencer & Co. are looking to rewrite the rules of how game consoles have historically been. You buy a console, you buy games for it, 5-6 years later you buy a better, more capable box and buy games for it...rinse and repeat. Sometimes you get BC, sometimes you don't. It is not a guarantee that the investment you made on software with box 1 would carry over with box 2.
With Scorpio and this Xbox Play Anywhere program, I suspect MS wants to make Xbox more of a platform than just a box. Regarding the Xbox has no exclusives I'd agree with you. Like what's the point of getting this Xbox system when every game or worthwhile exclusive will be on PC? Believe it or not, not every gamer is an enthusiast like us here on Gaf. Some don't want a PC, or deal with a PC and just want a console. I'm one such person. Have no interest in a gaming PC. I own a ps4 as my main system for 1st and 3rd party stuff because of my investment in the PS ecosystem and trophies and have an Xbox One solely for the exclusives.
Two sides to that argument about the box not being as attractive if its games are gonna be on PC as well.
I agree 100%. You make a really good point here. Gears 4 looks awesome but just because it's Gears and Rod is helming the game doesn't necessarily mean it'll be good. When you buy a PS4 you know you're getting games from Sony Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, Insomniac, Naughty Dog -who ffs didn't make a bad game at all last gen some could argue- all these studios have a track record of success.
My "what does Sony got?" question want meant to incite angst but to have folks thinking about how slow the Sony 1st party machine has been in releasing games. In 2007 ps3 had Uncharted, Warhawk, R&C ToD. In 2008 we had LBP, Resistance 2, MGSIV. In 2009 we got Killzone 2, InFamous, Uncharted 2, Demon Souls.
What I'm tryna get at is, I feel that in its first couple of years, their 1st party offerings have been lacking. That was it. Nothing else, no subtle bashing etc.
Those games are not out yet, nor will they be anytime soon. Not a single one of those games will release this year. Not a single one. Horizon will be out in Feb of next year. The other games don't have a date yet. I'm not forgetting about them. All I'm fucking saying is that until recently -Uncharted 4, R&C, BB last year- Sony's output has 1st party exclusives has been lacking. Why am I a troll for stating something that I think many ps4 owners would agree with.
FFS, their big holiday 1st party game released was a 2nd party remaster of the Uncharted games. Until Dawn released in late August.
It's more like announcing the iPhone 6 SE (miniaturized iPhone 6) available soon and the iphone 7 for next year.
Fully believe this to be the case.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Re: RDR or anything being cut. Not true according to Adam Boyes on Twitter. Everything was locked and as planned for months in advance.
you mean the iPhone SE? 6 SE isn't a thing
Extra Sauce
Member
If you ain't first, you're last.
- Microsoft as they bury their successful console
- Microsoft as they bury their successful console
Yea I don't think anything else has been changed at all, just saying if *Anything* were cut, that's the only thing that's been rumoured.
I do wonder where all those rumours came from regarding RDR though.
andythinkpad
Member
I think its disinformation chess between Sony and MS. Sony was going to announce Neo, but MS jumped the gun and said, "yes we also have something, even faster!" Then Sony pulled back Neo and was like "LOL just kidding, no announcement yet. Thanks for showing your hands Microsoft."
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Right sorry about that! Misread your post. I thought I'd mention it because that is straight from the top and a straight answer.
freefornow
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Glad Sony didn't announce the Morpheus early. That would be embarrassing.
To clarify here, the XBOne was ahead of the X360 (which didn't set the world alight its first couple years), but its in the same ballpark now and will be left in its dust soon. We haven't had an update on its shipments in forever. Its definitely selling far worse on a month to month basis now, and aligned the X360 is about to start selling in large quantities, whereas the XBOne is selling pitifully. Edit: This, btw, is reminiscent of the argument that was had for the first couple years for the 3DS being ahead of the DS and the handheld market thus been fine. It ignores all context. We all know now the 3DS will lose more than 50% of the DS sales.
The notion that the console market is healthy and both systems are selling well is ridiculous. MS whole revised strategy is to reduce reliance on a console market they're not faring well in, and they're committing heavier than anyone expected to that strategy.
VR headset is completely different to a console. They needed to show it to the public to get dev support for it.