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[SmokedMeat]

PC gamers don't even want new W10 games on PC apparently judging by how lackluster sales have been.
That probably doesn't give Sony much confidence even if they are considering a similar strategy.

Sony doesn't need PC gamers, their games are selling just fine without them. It's not like sales would double by going PC.

Since making the switch to PC I've lost any and all interest in dropping "console game prices", on a new game. $60? Keep it. Microsoft charging console game prices on PC isn't going to get them far. I guess that's why they're giving PC versions away for free, with Xbox copies.

 

[The 18th Letter]

Idiot fanboys might get upset but you'll find that most of the people in this thread are arguing that it doesn't make any sense for Sony to make this move.

I only read the first page and some of the responses were about how they would be losing trust from their fanbase. I don't necessarily think that's true, not many people care about games 3-4 years after they come out.

I still agree that it doesn't make sense for Sony, because they don't really benefit from it. There's no guarantee PC gamers would buy something like God of War Ascension so it wouldn't be worth the effort to port it. If someone wanted it that bad they could just buy a PS3 for like $100 and play the games for cheap

From that aspect I agree, but for the whole "they'd be betraying their fanbase" perspective, nah.

 

[Dick Justice]

PC gamers are used to buying games for cheap. I don't think anyone wants 3-4yr old Sony games at $60.

I seem to recall a good period of time when people were bitching about used game sales on consoles, and publishers coming up with online passes in response. But sure, feel free to single out PC gamers for having a bit of sense in the purchasing department.

PC gamers don't even want new W10 games on PC apparently judging by how lackluster sales have been.
That probably doesn't give Sony much confidence even if they are considering a similar strategy.

Doesn't help when you have MS' shitty attitude towards the open-platform aspect of PC gaming, and doing everything they can to lock it down. Not to mention precedence with their godawful GFWL efforts.

 

[LongDongJunon]

Sure, whatever you want

 

[SmokedMeat]

Bloodborne was 20 dollars 9 months after release, that was for a new copy.

That's the beauty of physical games and retail. I seriously doubt the digital version was $20.

Furthermore, porting to PC isn't free. I wouldn't expect them to devalue their games on PC by launching at a $20 price point.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I seem to recall a good period of time when people were bitching about used game sales on consoles, and publishers coming up with online passes in response. But sure, feel free to single out PC gamers for having a bit of sense in the purchasing department.

Don't single me out. Used games are great. I've no complaints about getting new games cheaper then msrp.

Anyways I'm telling it like it is. You'd pay $40-$60 for Infamous SS in 2016? I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[westman]

Even if they no longer make much money from direct sales of those old games, they make the ecosystem more attractive for potential latecomers. With backward compatibility, old games also serves to beef up the back catalog for a newly launched console, making early adoption more likely.

 

[Melchiah]

People are still just getting into this gen, and buying the exclusives once they get the console. Not to mention, that if everyone knew they'd eventually come to PC, they could just wait and not buy the console. It would strip away the reason to spend millions on building a library for their hardware.

 

[Kyougar]

I would say the opposite. Unless you feel that a significant portion of the PS4 userbase would drop PS hardware for PCs that cost two or three times as much, along with all the added complexity and the lack of good living room solutions. That has never been the case, historically. Consoles have always been about value and convenience. That doesn't change in a hypothetical world where Sony sells games on PC.

then the whole "issue" about console exclusives would be nonsense, dont you think?

 

[rrs]

i'm only saying yes because the newest sony console I own is a PS2

Spoiler

come to me, official Gran Turismo 2 on PC

 

[Movalpolos]

I seem to recall a good period of time when people were bitching about used game sales on consoles, and publishers coming up with online passes in response. But sure, feel free to single out PC gamers for having a bit of sense in the purchasing department.


Doesn't help when you have MS' shitty attitude towards the open-platform aspect of PC gaming, and doing everything they can to lock it down. Not to mention precedence with their godawful GFWL efforts.

Sony (if they ever took their ecosystem to PC) would likely do something similar. Their own storefront and their own ways to incentivize people to use it. Even if that meant locking in exclusives.

 

[Brix]

Can you play ps3 exclusives like infamous and demon souls on pc? No, you can't. You need a ps3 console for those games.

If you want to play ps4 exclusives like Bloodborne and Horizon swallow your pride and buy a ps4. Gaming is a expensive hobby.

 

[Nocturno999]

Sony already said they don't want to hemorrage customers to the PC platform that's another reason for the Neo to exist.

Sony and Nintendo create AAA titles to attract customers to their walled gardens, game royalties, etc. It's their incentive. It's not anti consumer, these games wouldn't exist w/o that incentive.

MS is expanding their walled gardens to Windows 10, that's why they are releasing games for both platforms now.

 

[JayWood2010]

Yes.

Sony would maximize profits and maybe even gain new fans.

This has been brought up before, but people who build gaming pc's are enthusiasts. There isn't a ton of people who do this.

Consoles on the other hand is a mainstream product that has mass market appeal.

There for people buy consoles a lot more than gaming PC. Outside of forums this whole PC vs console really isn't much of a thing.

 

[formasymphonic]

1) take idea out of the fridge
2) allow to thaw in MS playanywhere room temperature.
3) cut away any too obvious/specific game begging
3) heat in desire to not want to buy console
4) season with statements about consumer-friendliness
5) serve with rhetoric about it being win win for Sony and players

This is next gen incremental gen port begging: catalog begging.

Edit: Sony and Nintendo make and fund their own games to add value to the hardware they sell. The games don't just provide a reason to buy the console, they are also content that shapes the image of what those companies believe gaming can/should be. They provide an identity.

Eventually they may decided to do a PSNow type service and you subscribe to it, but they have no real incentive to do it, in the same way that McD's KFC or BK etc have any incentive to allo any of their competitors to sell their signature burgers.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Like, after a generation is mostly through? I'm not necessarily sure that they should, but I'd certainly love it, and it's not like it'd hurt them that much except that it might make future remasters a harder sell for some.

 

[GhostTrick]

No, they shouldn't. Why ? Because it's not in their interest. 1st parties are meant to sell a console. Although for partnership titles, sure, and they seems to accept that. 1st parties set a bar because console makers needs them to make their console unique. As long as they dont moneyhat 3rd parties, it's fine in my book.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Nope.

As much as I would like to see Uncharted 2 on my PC, and TLoU I'd never buy a sony console again if their exclusives would eventually end up on PC anyway.

I wanted to play Sunset Overdrive, but there was a sliver of a chance that it would show up on PC so I put it out of my mind and hoped it would show up here eventually (now I don't care, and this was before Spider-Man, now I couldn't care less).

 

[shadowfall]

Isn't the PSNow available on PC. They can just play the streaming versions as it is (if they really wanted to play that)

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

we are still somewhat in film industry pre 1947 in some areas, but there's no damage being done by it so it won't change.

 

[dracula_x]

No, I want to stop people enjoying games. Unless of course they are prepared to hand money over to my preferred corporate overlord.

Like nNvidia, for example?

 

[Sub_Level]

Wait I just took a stroll through the Fallout 4 console mod thread. Putting games on platforms against the intent of the creators? I'm pretty sure PC gamers are against that now.

I'm pretty sure "PC gamers" is comprised of hundreds of millions of people not limited to the thread you took a stroll through lmao

 

[TsuWave]

if they were to do that then you'd inevitably get the "cool, i'll play it in 3 years, got a big backlog anyway" crowd after every release, and though i doubt that number would be incredibly high, it would still be potential hardware sales that sony would miss out on.

 

[Cels]

it would be cool for me, i would never have to buy a sony console again

seems kind of dumb for sony's bottom line though

 

[dracula_x]

Can you play ps3 exclusives like infamous and demon souls on pc? No, you can't. You need a ps3 console for those games.

If you want to play ps4 exclusives like Bloodborne and Horizon swallow your pride and buy a ps4. Gaming is a expensive hobby.

Gaming is not that expensive, especially compared to other activities and hobbies.

 

[DNAbro]

Lol no

 

[Phreakuency]

It would be benefit port beggars and those who won't belittle themselves by playing games with less than ultra image quality...

Sony on the other hand, no.

 

[Avenger54321]

No, Exclusives are the main reason to buy a console especially if they are never coming to another platform.

 

[Genio88]

Nope they should release those day one on PC, just like Microsoft is doing, perhaps some day even Sony and nintendo will open a PC store like Origin, Uplay or Steam and they'll put their game in there, that would be the best solution for consumers, being able to play everygame wherever you want without being limited by exclusive hardware

 

[Melchiah]

Sony already said they don't want to hemorrage customers to the PC platform that's another reason for the Neo to exist.

Sony and Nintendo create AAA titles to attract customers to their walled gardens, game royalties, etc. It's their incentive. It's not anti consumer, these games wouldn't exist w/o that incentive.

MS is expanding their walled gardens to Windows 10, that's why they are releasing games for both platforms now.

And MS is the only console manufacturer that benefits from it, as they're also bolstering their operating system by it, which after all is their bread and butter.

 

[derExperte]

Don't single me out. Used games are great. I've no complaints about getting new games cheaper then msrp.

Anyways I'm telling it like it is. You'd pay $40-$60 for Infamous SS in 2016? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Exactly, we're not talking about Nintendo here. A big German retailer had UC4 for 35€ last week, most Sony exclusives don't make it half a year before the hype dissipates so good luck selling them years later. I mean we'd be getting Knack and Killzone SF right about now.

 

[Calm waterfall]

If Sony was smart, they would have released the Uncharted trilogy on PC to try to entice PC gamers to buy PS4 for Uncharted 4.

 

[TheDragon]

It's not only bad move for Sony, but also for Sony's customers and people who love their games. PS platform lose their USP without exclusives, and PC sales would not even nearly cover the loss of revenue from lower PS platform game sales. Let us not forget that PS3 exclusives mostly did not sell gangbuster numbers, but their cumulative effect bought overall PS3 sales closer to 360, even when many 3rd party games suffered on PS3.
Exclusives sell consoles, which allows platform holder to maintain a closed garden and charge 3rd party pubs for putting their games in it (the biggest source of revenue).
Another point being after 3-4 years, sales would not justify the costs of porting and the loss of customer trust would be more costly.
Just buy a PS4 to play its exclusives.

 

[I-hate-u]

Sony doesn't have an agenda to push an operating system, in addition to their physical box.

So, no.

 

[David___]

If Sony was smart, they would have released the Uncharted trilogy on PC to try to entice PC gamers to buy PS4 for Uncharted 4.

Except it would have the opposite effect by making them not bother getting a PS4 since "the first three games went on PC, so why wouldn't 4 not come out in a couple of years?"

 

[Melchiah]

Nope they should release those day one on PC, just like Microsoft is doing, perhaps some day even Sony and nintendo will open a PC store like Origin, Uplay or Steam and they'll put their game in there, that would be the best solution for consumers, being able to play everygame wherever you want without being limited by exclusive hardware

I disagree, as that would spell doom for consoles, and make Windows-based system a mandatory platform for gaming in the long run.

 

[ManeKast]

No.

Should MS release exclusives on PS4 years after release? Like Halo? Forza? No.

Shoild MS release them on PC? There ya go.

 

[Jabba]

Port begging is going into a thread about a game that was announced for platform X and asking for it to be released on platform Y. Nothing in this thread is port begging.

Asking for games that have released, not on a platform of choice is also port begging.

I'd also say there may be a valid point on the business side of things, based on how long said ports would be available. Even so, you'd still be port begging.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

 

[Balb]

3-4 years is an eternity in the games space. Do it within a year or don't bother.

 

[TaterTots]

I only own a PC and I'll say this. If Sony was to put a game on PC after 4 years I wouldn't care. The game might even be dated by then. I'll pass. I give massive props to MS for actually supporting PC gaming. It's not going to stop people from buying a Xbox console. I may have to double check but the XB1 S is a top seller on Amazon. So...obviously a lot of people do not care.

 

[orava]

What I think Sony could do is have a PC Storefront for third-party games with cross-buy with PS4. Get a foothold on PC, make some money. Publish only the games that make sense (maybe VR games or the rare game they sometimes publish on PC). Maybe add some strategy games to their portfolio.

Its a way to cater for owners of both a PC and PS4 while also making some extra money from them.

No disadvantage I can seen, other than possibly making it easy for people to eventually change to PC but it also works the other way around.

Now the only reasons to release you exclusives is if your platform just failed and is unsustainable.


That is true. Not that it matters in this case.

But as of right now, if I'm not incorrect you can't pirate PS4 games.

You really can't pirate any of the PC games that use denuvo protection either. Most "high profile" games use that. I doubt sony would go DRM free.

 

[Melchiah]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

Because they want the games, but don't want to buy the consoles. When they say it's better for consumers, they're really saying it's better for them. If all console games were available on PC, it would remove the reason to buy a console, and in the end the console gamers would have no choice than to move to PC gaming, under Microsoft's umbrella. So, how is it serving the interests of those, who don't want to end up playing on PC?

 

[mejin]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

It works both ways. Console gamers always want everything on their platform of choice too. PC gamers are just as much warriors as console gamers, but they are hypocrites about it.

 

[OVDRobo]

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

To be fair, they become used to the superior image quality and performance to the extent that playing on a console becomes unfathomable.

In an ideal world, we'd have a single unified platformed that could run all games with the best possible performance and image quality, but we don't. That's just a magical dream platform which will never exist, which it seems a lot of people don't understand when they ask questions like those posed in this thread.

I won't regurgitate the points already made endlessly by other posters as to why Sony would not port their exclusives to PC, but I will link to this thread made only 3 days ago where it is stated by Andrew House, head of Playstation:

House said that one of the key motivations for PlayStation 4 Neo was specifically to prevent high-end users from abandoning the product at an earlier point than its natural eight-year lifespan. “We’ve traditionally seen that some of the core audience tends to gravitate back to high-end PCs at some point because these are the people who want the finest graphical performance,” he said. “So here’s a great opportunity to have them stay within our ecosystem.

to reinforce the importance of the Playstation ecosystem to Sony and their views on the PC as a competitor platform rather than some free-market dream that a lot of PC gamers have seemingly taken to viewing it as.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

ahh a catalogue begging thread

how delicious

i'm glad games like bb, infanous, tlou can only be played on a sony system

hell i'll be excited when they announce Bloodborne 2 as a ps4 exclusive. that day will be GLORIOUS!!!

 

[oSoLucky]

If there's one thing that I'm absolutely certain about, it's that no one at Sony has ever done an analysis of cost and potential revenue in having their games on other platforms. Thank goodness all the posters in this thread can enlighten them as to how they can make more money with no downsides. Maybe I should tweet the thread at some of their execs and then go invest in their stock as obviously their profits are going to go up after they start porting all of their games to PC.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Except it would have the opposite effect by making them not bother getting a PS4 since "the first three games went on PC, so why wouldn't 4 not come out in a couple of years?"

Now I'm worried, Square-Enix better freaking release FF12 Zodiac Age on PC. I'm going to hold off getting it on PS4 for as long as I can. I already have ff12 and use PCSX2 to play it along with my other PS2 games, in HD sort of (blurry UI and muddy textures), I think I can hold out.

 

[Famassu]

PS4 games? Probably not. Older games? Yeah, I do think it could be a wise move to start releasing their PS1 & PS2 catalog on Steam. Those aren't reasons for a majority to buy a PS4 and getting 20 year old games for Steam is not going to push anyone to not buying a PS4 if they are eager to play games like Horizon, Last Guardian & God of War IV on the off chance that by waiting 10+ years they are going to get those games for PC.

 

[Intheflorsh]

i'm glad games like bb, infanous, tlou can only be played on a sony system

Why?