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[ArkhamFantasy]

Now I'm worried, Square-Enix better freaking release FF12 Zodiac Age on PC. I'm going to hold off getting it on PS4 for as long as I can. I already have ff12 and use PCSX2 to play it along with my other PS2 games, in HD sort of (blurry UI and muddy textures), I think I can hold out.

They are putting every FF game on PC, its just a question of when.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Andrew House less than a week ago said the reason for the Neo was in part to keep PS4 owners away from the PC...so why in the world would they even consider this?

 

[Elfstruck]

ahh a catalogue begging thread

how delicious

i'm glad games like bb, infanous, tlou can only be played on a sony system

hell i'll be excited when they announce Bloodborne 2 as a ps4 exclusive. that day will be GLORIOUS!!!

Oh, there will two more exclusives from Fromsoftware for PS4. So we will see a lot of threads like these.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

I don't mind games on other devices, but for Sony's sake, they have to keep games within the PS ecosystem and distribute them through their channels (which currently DNE on PC).

 

[Melchiah]

To be fair, they become used to the superior image quality and performance to the extent that playing on a console becomes unfathomable.

In an ideal world, we'd have a single unified platformed that could run all games with the best possible performance and image quality, but we don't. That's just a magical dream platform which will never exist, which it seems a lot of people don't understand when they ask questions like those posed in this thread.

Dunno about that. I used to play on Radeon 9700 Pro powered PC in 2003-2006, and it never bothered me to play on PS2 at the same time. It's weird to think you'd pass on something just because of that.

In an ideal world we would have no 3rd party exclusives, PC exclusives included. About a third of my game library consists of Sony's games, and the idea that they would have no reason to spend resources in creating a varied library of games, games like no other publisher makes and funds, doesn't sound appealing to me. That's what I see the dream of single unified platform leading to.

 

[oSoLucky]

I just don't understand it. I grew up only having consoles as a kid. When UT2k4, WoW and Guild Wars came out, I HAD to have them, and so I got a PC. What's the difference, or is port begging mostly from people that don't really want the game in the first place?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Andrew House less than a week ago said the reason for the Neo was in part to keep PS4 owners away from the PC...so why in the world would they even consider this?

Yeah it's not happening, that would be a terrible move for Sony. Just like I can't think of any reason to get a Xbox One, heck I can think of more reasons to get another 360 before getting a Xbox One which I never owned before.

 

[HariKari]

About a third of my game library consists of Sony's games, and the idea that they would have no reason to spend resources in creating a varied library of games, games like no other publisher makes and funds, doesn't sound appealing to me. That's what I see the dream of single unified platform leading to.

You see one of the largest publishers/developers out there bowing out when the market gets unified? How does that work?

I just don't understand it. I grew up only having consoles as a kid. When UT2k4, WoW and Guild Wars came out, I HAD to have them, and so I got a PC. What's the difference, or is port begging mostly from people that don't really want the game in the first place?

Sony's exclusives are the last holdouts nowadays. Makes them a natural target for this sort of thing.

 

[Felensis]

Yes, please! It's time to end this whole exclusivity bullshit! I just want to play my favorite games on my favorite platform without having to buy several expensive boxes.

 

[Pixieking]

To be fair, they become used to the superior image quality and performance to the extent that playing on a console becomes unfathomable.

In an ideal world, we'd have a single unified platformed that could run all games with the best possible performance and image quality, but we don't. That's just a magical dream platform which will never exist, which it seems a lot of people don't understand when they ask questions like those posed in this thread.

I won't regurgitate the points already made endlessly by other posters as to why Sony would not port their exclusives to PC, but I will link to this thread made only 3 days ago where it is stated by Andrew House, head of Playstation:



to reinforce the importance of the Playstation ecosystem to Sony and their views on the PC as a competitor platform rather than some free-market dream that a lot of PC gamers have seemingly taken to viewing it as.

I think this post actually sums up a lot of my thinking very well... When you get used to being able to play the vast majority of games from the past 30 years on PC (via emulation or through GOG or Steam, etc.), it seems very counter-intuitive to leave that money on the table. This is why the whole PS ecosystem argument doesn't make much sense to me - it's not that I would be afraid to buy a PS4 because I think the exclusives will come in 3 or 4 years, it's that I know they'll come eventually. The reason I'm getting a Neo not long after release is because that "eventually" is longer than I want to wait.

If that makes sense, in the wider context of the thread?

 

[King_Moc]

ahh a catalogue begging thread

how delicious

i'm glad games like bb, infanous, tlou can only be played on a sony system

hell i'll be excited when they announce Bloodborne 2 as a ps4 exclusive. that day will be GLORIOUS!!!

Why? To the consumer, it's terrible. This is only a positive for Sony.

You sound like the worst kind of fanboy.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

Yes, please! It's time to end this whole exclusivity bullshit! I just want to play my favorite games on my favorite platform without having to buy several expensive boxes.

i wonder how much longer this thread will go on for?

they're really not holding back in spite of forum rules

the floodgates have truly opened!

 

[yurinka]

Btw, I thought port begging wasn't allowed.

It'd benefit consumers, but not Sony. They wouldn't do it.

Their first party games would be less optimized if aren't made for a single device in mind.

Multiplatform development and testing requires an amount of budget and time that 1st party exclusives spend on making their games look way better and to be more polished in general.

In addition to this, a portion of the players would buy it (or pirate it) in PC, a platform with way lower prices, which means less revenue for the devs. Which in the long term would mean less budget for the games.

The games would be worse if release in PC, so wouldn't benefit consumers even if more people would be able to buy (or pirate) them.

 

[Tosyn_88]

Yes, please! It's time to end this whole exclusivity bullshit! I just want to play my favorite games on my favorite platform without having to buy several expensive boxes.

It's funny you say that because you basically just put a tag on pc gaming.

 

[level1]

Wait, so people here are actually serious when saying that removing the value proposition for Sony's main product will translate to more profits?

 

[Primethius]

No, why would they?

And as a consumer, I don't care either. I built a PC to play the PC exclusives I want and I bought consoles to play the console games I want.

Frankly, this is extremely low on the list of things I actually care about in regards to providing something better for consumers. Hell, I probably don't care about that at all.

 

[HariKari]

In addition to this, a portion of the players would buy it (or pirate it) in PC, a platform with way lower prices, which means less revenue for the devs. Which in the long term would mean less budget for the games.

The games would be worse if release in PC, so wouldn't benefit consumers even if more people would be able to buy (or pirate) them.

Prices tend to be lower but margins are higher. One sale is one copy, so you're also not competing with a used market. That's why you see most games releasing on PC nowadays. Piracy has also gone by the wayside for most AAA titles, Denuvo has pretty much killed that.

I'm not sure why people pretend like $60 full priced titles don't sell well on PC. Sony would do really well if this came to pass.

 

[Melchiah]

You see one of the largest publishers/developers out there bowing out when the market gets unified? How does that work?

Sony's exclusives are the last holdouts nowadays. Makes them a natural target for this sort of thing.

What about Nintendo?

Here's a quote from Yoshida.

http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=179604&l=event

It’s a hit-driven business. We look at our financial results of the titles, and probably three or four out of ten make money, and maybe one or two make all the money to cover the cost of the others titles. So we have to be able to maintain that hit ratio at a certain level to be able to continue in the business, so we always try to find out and support and help grow the talent. That’s the most important work that I believe myself and some of my management team at worldwide studios are doing.

There are lots of opportunities. There are so many projects that we want to do, and especially there are so many different techs, platforms and or devices that we can release games, but we have finite resources and budget, we have to make selection choices.

You really think they'd continue the same way, if they hadn't a platform to sell?


EDIT: BTW, I didn't say they would bow out of the market, I said that without their own platform they would have no reason to continue making a variety of games, that might or might not sell. They'd most likely just concentrate on making those type of games that have a better chance of selling well, and eventually making their games less varied.

 

[jet1911]

It would make sense in a pro consumer way and Sony would benefit by selling a lot more copies of their already really successful games. Most of their exclusives this gen would be million sellers on Steam.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

It's funny you say that because you basically just put a tag on pc gaming.

lol that's good

 

[Elfstruck]

Next thread, should Nintendo exclusives be on PC? This thread is nothing but a stealth port begging thread that is going nowhere.

 

[InquisitorAles]

ahh a catalogue begging thread

how delicious

i'm glad games like bb, infanous, tlou can only be played on a sony system

hell i'll be excited when they announce Bloodborne 2 as a ps4 exclusive. that day will be GLORIOUS!!!

So, you glad that other people can't play games that you can? This is some shitty reason to be excited

 

[derExperte]

Btw, I thought port begging wasn't allowed.

Then pm a mod instead of backseat modding and thread whining. Also according to them this is only a problem if it derails threads that aren't about ports at all. Even then XCOM2 or ROTTR have shown that, well, big parts of GAF are fine with doing it as long as it's not targeted at their 'own' platforms.

 

[SolidSnakex]

So, you glad that other people can't play games that you can? This is some shitty reason to be excited

No one is stopping anyone from buying a PS4. If you want Sony's games then that's what you're going to have to do.

 

[HariKari]

What about Nintendo?

Here's a quote from Yoshida.

http://www.gamereactor.eu/grtv/?id=179604&l=event


You really think they'd continue the same way, if they hadn't a platform to sell?

You're talking about a few fragmented platforms unifying, thus reducing the total risk to developers (and first party publishers). If your potential audience doubles overnight, you don't suddenly have less of a reason to develop games. If anything, Nintendo and Sony "limit" themselves by pushing their games with their hardware. If they were to overnight become just software companies, they'd be ideally positioned due to the strengths of their IPs and studios. We know this works because it's literally the business model multiplatform publishers are built around.

They (Sony and Nintendo) ultimately want to sell hardware, so the equation is different. There are strategic decisions going on. But for the chain of thought you were discussing - unifying platforms into one giant market - software sales get better, not worse.

 

[Real_Madrid]

It will be interesting to see what happens when streaming games becomes a viable option. Would Sony put Uncharted 4 on PS Now so people can play the game without having the need to buy a console and play it directly on their TV, PC, mobile devices, whatever they like.
Thinking about it, wouldn't it be interesting for EA to put Fifa on such a service, but that's another discussion.

OT: porting their games to PC or other consoles just makes no sense. They make a lot of money from the PS-ecosystem. If people buy a console for Uncharted 4, they will buy other games on it and recommend it to their friends etc.
Rise of the Tomb Raider (a very similar game as UC4) sold +- 750.000 copies on PC, is that amount worth the loss in hardware sales and losing costumers in their ecosystem?
The answer is pretty easy and clear imo.

 

[Intheflorsh]

It will never happen for obvious financial reasons and asking for it is a waste of time.

However, those in this thread acting like owning a PS4 makes them a member of an exclusive club and shamelessly gloating need to get a little perspective.

 

[Vuze]

No one is stopping anyone from buying a PS4. If you want Sony's games then that's what you're going to have to do.

Doesn't explain why the poster in question is exhilarated that these games are restricted to PS4. There's just no rationale behind this except for being a brand warrior.
Maybe that sort of people will get a little perspective when PlayStation eventually becomes a service that isn't restricted to a black plastic box at some point in the distant future.

 

[Melchiah]

You're talking about a few fragmented platforms unifying, thus reducing the total risk to developers (and first party publishers). If your potential audience doubles overnight, you don't suddenly have less of a reason to develop games. If anything, Nintendo and Sony "limit" themselves by pushing their games with their hardware. If they were to overnight become just software companies, they'd be ideally positioned due to the strengths of their IPs and studios. We know this works because it's literally the business model multiplatform publishers are built around.

They (Sony and Nintendo) ultimately want to sell hardware, so the equation is different. There are strategic decisions going on. But for the chain of thought you were discussing - unifying platforms into one giant market - software sales get better, not worse.

My edit was too slow...

BTW, I didn't say they would bow out of the market, I said that without their own platform they would have no reason to continue making a variety of games, that might or might not sell. They'd most likely just concentrate on making those type of games that have a better chance of selling well, and eventually making their games less varied.

How well the move to software worked for the variety in Sega's games?

 

[XxRampage07xX]

Since this is a port begging thread, can I ask for some PC games to come to consoles too?

 

[InquisitorAles]

No one is stopping anyone from buying a PS4. If you want Sony's games then that's what you're going to have to do.

Did you even read shitpost that i quoted? The problem in this post is not about exclusives itself, problem is that some people enjoy that they have games that other people can't play, this is some high level of "console warz" and childish behavior.

 

[Elfstruck]

Doesn't explain why the poster in question is exhilarated that these games are restricted to PS4. There's just no rationale behind this except for being a brand warrior.
Maybe that sort of people will get a little perspective when PlayStation eventually becomes a service that isn't restricted to a black plastic box at some point in the distant future.

Because it justifies his purchase. If I spend $400 on a launched Ps4 and you tell me that their games is coming to PC, then what's the point of buying console in the first place.

 

[Mass Effect]

ahh a catalogue begging thread

how delicious

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

It will never happen for obvious financial reasons and asking for it is a waste of time.

However, those in this thread acting like owning a PS4 makes them a member of an exclusive club and shamelessly gloating need to get a little perspective.

as well as the op and anyone who acts like it's their right to demand sony to release their software library elsewhere

it goes both ways

 

[Vuze]

Because it justifies his purchase. If I spend $400 on a launched Ps4 and you tell me that their games is coming to PC, then what's the point of buying console in the first place.

No need to troubleshoot software/hardware as it still happens on PC from time to time, getting a plug and place comfy couch experience so to speak?
Isn't that what console-focused players often cite as their main reasons for picking a console over PC?

That's also one reason why I totally appreciate MS route. They effectively will cater to casual (cheap Xbox One), core (more expensive Scorpio) and enthusiast (PC) gamers. Everybody gets to play the same games in a way they like.

 

[HariKari]

BTW, I didn't say they would bow out of the market, I said that without their own platform they would have no reason to continue making a variety of games, that might or might not sell. They'd most likely just concentrate on making those type of games that have a better chance of selling well, and eventually making their games less varied.

I think the goal is to make games that sell well. All of them. When a game flops, that hurts financially. If it was a huge tentpole title meant to move units, it hurts strategically too. I get where you are coming from, but the sheer size of the market would help minimize risk. If you were releasing games to a market that is two or three times bigger, the odds a game sells well enough to turn a profit go up. A lot of 'meh' games do good business on Steam simply because they're on a platform with a ton of users and easy to buy. I don't think Sony would start picking and choosing what types of games to make based on what sells anymore than they already do. If the hardware starts to be risky or ultimately not worth it, they'll move to PC and do really well.

 

[delSai]

lmao

 

[jet1911]

Because it justifies his purchase. If I spend $400 on a launched Ps4 and you tell me that their games is coming to PC, then what's the point of buying console in the first place.

Having more choices and options is never a bad thing.

 

[InquisitorAles]

Since this is a port begging thread, can I ask for some PC games to come to consoles too?

PC gamers don't give a shit about PC exclusives, because they're not fighting in some "exclusives war", this is a thing only for console fanboys who want justify their console purchase. Actually, every normal gamer don't give a shit if game he love exclusive or not.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Doesn't explain why the poster in question is exhilarated that these games are restricted to PS4. There's just no rationale behind this except for being a brand warrior.
Maybe that sort of people will get a little perspective when PlayStation eventually becomes a service that isn't restricted to a black plastic box at some point in the distant future.

That's what PSNOW is but look how that is treated. Don't...

PC gamers don't give a shit about PC exclusives, because they're not fighting in some "exclusives war", this is a thing only for console fanboys who want justify their console purchase. Actually, every normal gamer don't give a shit if the game he love exclusive or not.

So wait, isn't this thread not PC gamers trying to justify their machine and BEGGING for Sony to become some third party company so that they can play games on their favorite box because they outright REFUSE to purchase the device that said games are on?

Lol, please..

 

[vasametropolis]

Andrew House less than a week ago said the reason for the Neo was in part to keep PS4 owners away from the PC...so why in the world would they even consider this?

You're exactly right. And I think that if they, like Nintendo, are dead set on keeping people on a single device when everyone else has a full blown platform, they will be in trouble. I wrote a post earlier saying that it's lunacy to put their games on PC, on something like Steam. But if they build their own software platform where you can use PlayStation on all Sony devices (be it a PC or otherwise)... that would be very good for them.

 

[lupinko]

This is like asking Nintendo to do the same, so no this would be unwise.

It only works for Microsoft because Windows IS a Microsoft platform and MS has interests outside of gaming that Xbox can be used for (such as expanding Windows 10's ecosystem).

 

[LilJoka]

Since this is a port begging thread, can I ask for some PC games to come to consoles too?

I dont think any PC gamer would object as long as there is some evidence that the PC version wasn't gimped for the inferior specs of consoles. Assetto Corsa is a good example of this. Ported but the console team was separate from the PC team.

 

[Real_Madrid]

PC gamers don't give a shit about PC exclusives, because they're not fighting in some "exclusives war", this is a thing only for console fanboys who want justify their console purchase. Actually, every normal gamer don't give a shit if game he love exclusive or not.

What?
I've seen enough pc gamers care.

 

[Necromanti]

It would obviously be nice for consumers to have options (and be able to have every game on one platform without resorting to emulation). The childish tears that will result will be obnoxious, though.

I would like a world where a game eventually made it to PC for posterity. Even if it took a decade. (I'm still looking for a way to play Otogi that doesn't require the original Xbox...)

 

[Übersandvich]

I haven't read this thread, but I have been thinking about this for a while now. The only reason games companies should release games later on PC is if they are DRM free. Sadly, games are expensive enough as it is to develop. What there needs to be is a public domain law. Life of the company + 50 years (a company name change is end of life), then the source code has to be made public. This should mirror the same law for literature (life + 70 years). Despite the current situation, I am optimistic for the future.

More young games enthusiasts are becoming adults, and some will hopefully decide to go into politics sometime in their lifespan and will effect a change.

I am, however, pessimistic that there will be a period of lost games to mirror the film industry.

 

[Raonak]

There's no real reason to do so.

A 3-4 year old game won't sell enough for a return on investment.

 

[Permanently A]

Since this is a port begging thread, can I ask for some PC games to come to consoles too?

Sure!

 

[Catatafish]

Btw, I thought port begging wasn't allowed.


Their first party games would be less optimized if aren't made for a single device in mind.

Multiplatform development and testing requires an amount of budget and time that 1st party exclusives spend on making their games look way better and to be more polished in general.

In addition to this, a portion of the players would buy it (or pirate it) in PC, a platform with way lower prices, which means less revenue for the devs. Which in the long term would mean less budget for the games.

The games would be worse if release in PC, so wouldn't benefit consumers even if more people would be able to buy (or pirate) them.

Just wow...

 

[yuraya]

3-4 years is too long. Release them like 6 months to 1 year after console release. That would be good enough to where they'll sell well on PS4 and later again on PC making Sony some extra $.

And if Sony cares so much about losing 30% to Valve for every sale they should just create their own store like Origin, GOG etc. That way they'll reap all the rewards. They could also integrate both platforms adding benefits for everyone like MS is currently doing.