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LTTP: Jessica Jones AKA Am I Missing Something? (Unmarked Spoilers)

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HvySky

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Bit of a rant incoming. There will be some unmarked spoilers, so heads up!

So I just finished the last episode of Jessica Jones a couple of hours ago and have been trying to collect my thoughts on the matter. Most specifically on why everyone kept telling me how good this show was and that apparently it was better than the first season of Daredevil (I have yet to start season two). Am I missing something? The show starts off well enough with a solid premiere episode that sets the stage and lays the foundation for what's to come, but then almost immediately shits the bed and isn't able to recover before the season finale.

Everyone is dumb: the TV show. If written with any semblance of logic, the show would have been resolved within a few episodes, but the characters are constantly falling victim to insane lapses of common sense in order to stretch the show out to what feels like waaay longer than only thirteen episodes. The pacing is all over the place, too, culminating in the fuckery of having the main villain just kind of disappear for a few episodes so we can catch up on how all the side characters are feeling. Kilgrave is still loose and on a murder spree? Who cares! Let's see how Trish's relationship with her mom is doing! Or maybe devote a few episodes to a couple of awful people fighting over signing divorce papers. Oh, you caught Kilgrave and put him in a fucking cage? Better kidnap a cop and force him to watch us make Kilgrave murder his parents! That's totally legal right?

That's another issue, really. Being dumb is one thing, but then you have to add in the fact that they're almost all unlikable, awful, shitty people. And yeah, it's taking inspiration from noir and the self-loathing, miserable protagonist isn't out of place in that setting, but good writing and a decent actor are key ingredients to making that formula work. Ritter as Jones isn't interesting or entertaining to watch in the slightest, constantly getting other people killed so she can continue her quest to prove one person as innocent (guess none of those other people matter), and then follow it all up with an edgy remark because she's so fucking cool. Bless Tennant, bringing a level of camp and outrageousness to Kilgrave that at least makes his exploits entertaining. He single handedly carries the entire show and it slows to a crawl when he's not on screen.

Outside of the writing, acting, and pacing, the other major issue plaguing this show is low-budget cable choreography that makes every single fight scene and action set piece look like a joke. I get it, you're not a blockbuster movie and don't have $200 million dollars in your budget, but christ, use some of that money you spent on Kilgrave's suits and get a fight choreographer who knows more than awkwardly throwing people from side to side and low kicks that send people flying in from off screen. In turn, the complaint about the fights and action can be segued into the ridiculous inconsistency of Jessica (and to an extent, Kilgrave and Luke's) powers. She has super strength and can lift 150lb marble over her head with ease, lift a car, and drop 20 stories unscathed, but get knocked out by a 2x4 or dropped by a couple of tasers? Not to mention the deus ex machina-esque bullshit that is Kilgrave's powers no longer working on her because... I guess we need a way for her to win? It all just felt so unearned. As if it concluded the way it did because the writers couldn't think of a compelling or interesting way to use Kilgrave, and they needed to get rid of him so they couldn't write themselves into a corner for the next season. They blew their load way too early on his character and the show suffered for it.

These are just the frustrations coming to mind right now, but I know there's plenty more that doesn't make sense or is simply poorly executed in this show. Maybe i should start DD season two as a potential palate cleanser.

tl;dr - Kilgrave deserved better and David Tennant did too.
 

Magilla

Banned
After Killgrave escaped the second(third?) time due to incompetence I gave up. Didn't bother finishing. I couldn't handle the stupid and I was mad that I waited that long to quit.
 
I still found the show interesting, and I look forward to Luke Cage, The Defenders, and Jessica Jones S2, but I see those flaws as well. I hope the show is written more consistently next time around.

Just a note on the poor fight choreography, Daredevil did it well, we know Marvel can do fights on a Netflix budget. Jessica isn't a trained fighter though, she gets by through brute strength. Still she was quite nerfed, she can stop a moving car but can't fight off some big guys with tasers? One punch would send three of them flying into each other.
 

SMG

Member
After Killgrave escaped the second(third?) time due to incompetence I gave up. Didn't bother finishing. I couldn't handle the stupid and I was mad that I waited that long to quit.

Yup.
Old TV used to dictate 20 episode a year to the detriment of many shows, Netflix's 10 to 15 hurt JJ. It would have made for a great 5 or 6 long arc instead they just did capture and release for ten hours.
 

Bigfoot

Member
Many others have said it but I'll say it again... JJ would have been an amazing 6-8 episode show with the same storyline. The way the padded out the show to 13 episodes ruined it in my opinion.
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
I was pretty cool on the show too. Nothing about it was memorable beyond the violence of Kilgrave. You'd think it would try to nail the self professed noir aspect since its pretty unique to the show in the tv superhero setting but nope, not even that. The pacing was tiring too. As viscous and cool as Kilgrave was, the pacing made me feel like that whole arc outstayed its welcome.

Also Jessica and Luke were bland as hell, thinking back on it.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Almost hated this show while almost liking it too, which means I don't know. I know Jessica was an unlikable brat for most of the show and I could not get past that.
 

RangerX

Banned
It was Marvel's best show before the DD series 2 for me and thats mainly because of the punisher. It did drag at the end though and Simpson was an annoying goon.
 
A lot of Gaffers seem to be missing something now a days. Thought it was unique and really liked the chemistry between the leads. Also krysten Ritter is the best.
 

AMUSIX

Member
The show didn't do story as tightly as others, but I felt it handled it's subject matter brilliantly. The way they showed the effects an abusive relationship can have one someone was really solid. Could easily write pages on things like Jessica being shown she has the ability to resist Killgrave, but is still helpless and terrified around him, or how they show the repetition that allows these relationships to continue, or how Jessica and Trish and Malcom and Will are all affected by varying levels of PTSD, and each shows a different (mostly broken) path to dealing with it.

So, yeah, the show truly shines when it comes to theme. Plot, not so much.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
Pacing is rough. Everyone is stupid, like you said. The themes of the show are good. Hopefully they can tell a tighter story next go around.
 
Nope, you missed nothing. What an absolutely flaming turd of a TV Show, with one of the most one dimensional villains I have ever seen. Not even the great acting could save that one.
 

Jedi2016

Member
I think I only made it through two episodes before losing interest (or rather, the show had yet to generate any interest). From what I've heard, I'm not missing anything at all by just not watching the rest.
 

Shanlei91

Sonic handles my blue balls
I really like to think that she's drinking hard liquor, but outside of one scene with Luke Cage, never eating. And as result is a drunk fool who makes bad decisions. That was the head canon I had to make so the show wasn't too ridiculous.

one of the most one dimensional villains I have ever seen.

He's the best Marvel cinematic universe villain. Which says a lot about the lot.
 

El Topo

Member
It's a good show with flaws. Better than Daredevil S1 (although debatable) and much better than the disappointing Daredevil S2. Man, that second season is just bad.
 

Ezalc

Member
Anybody saying JJ is better than DD season 1 is out of their goddamn mind. It's an alright show, but it was way too long and Killgrave's constant cartoonishly stupid escapes really bring it down. Also that one neighbor girl has got to be one of the most irritating characters in any television show ever, fuck I wanted her to die so much.
 
I really like to think that she's drinking hard liquor, but outside of one scene with Luke Cage, never eating. And as result is a drunk fool who makes bad decisions. That was the head canon I had to make so the show wasn't too ridiculous.



He's the best Marvel cinematic universe villain. Which says a lot about the lot.

He's pretty much 'look at me I am a psychopath, I don't unterstand humans'. It was so unbelievably boring aside from one or two scenes.
 
It would have been nice if we saw her do an ounce of superheroics prior to Purple Man or if there was even little bit of a difference between her personality then and now and the show didn't have to bring up the costume only to shit on it
 
I think you pretty much nailed it, OP. I was very happy with the show when watching it but then a day or two later I started to think along the same lines as you. Over time I've found more to dislike and now I'm pretty down on the show.
 
Agreed, it's honestly weird to see how many people thought it was better than DD. It did some things good, the first episodes were enjoyable and Kilgrave was a great villain. But all other character and plotlines were so damn stupid. I also absolutely hated how they showed that his parents were partly responsible for how he is just to turn it around and say "LOL JUST KIDDING, HE WAS ALWAYS BAD, THOSE EXPERIMENTS WERE TO SAVE HIS LIFE!", it felt like a shitty cop out.
 

Shanlei91

Sonic handles my blue balls
He's pretty much 'look at me I am a psychopath, I don't unterstand humans'. It was so unbelievably boring aside from one or two scenes.

The sad thing is, that's the most complexity we've gotten from a Marvel villain in film or TV.

It's a good show with flaws. Better than Daredevil S1 (although debatable) and much better than the disappointing Daredevil S2. Man, that second season is just bad.

Bizzaro, is that you? Daredevil Season 2, when you ignore the fact that Dare Devil is who you should like, is legit good.
 
He's the best Marvel cinematic universe villain. Which says a lot about the lot.

He is a good villain, who was well acted but he isn't the best.

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Pacing is rough. Everyone is stupid, like you said. The themes of the show are good. Hopefully they can tell a tighter story next go around.

This is becoming an increasing criticism among streaming first, binge type shows. There was an article recently about the "Defense of an Episode" and it had a lot to do with show pacing in this new format. Show creators are writing to binge viewing instead of writing to episodes. So you end up with these big ebs and flows that are more apparent than typical TV series.
 

vanty

Member
Why don't they just wear headphones? I'm pretty sure it was set in the present day not 100 years ago.
 
The sad thing is, that's the most complexity we've gotten from a Marvel villain in film or TV.



Bizzaro, is that you? Daredevil Season 2, when you ignore the fact that Dare Devil is who you should like, is legit good.


Legit good for maybe about 7 episodes, but the pacing goes to shit around the time the damn ninjas entered the scene. Not to mention that terrible last episode with the cliched prophecy and Karen's monologue, ugh.
Season 2 was the punisher's season, he completely overshadowed Daredevil in his own show.

Marvel/Netflix seriously needs to shorten these shows.
 

Brakke

Banned
Yeah it was more intriguing than good. Lady hero, serious themes of psychological trauma & abuse, actually engaged with sex as a subject. It pointed at some good and fresh things (*for a superhero project) but didn't really hold together. Definitely drags a lot.
 

Froli

Member
I was one of the handful criticizing it on the OT thread, but the others keep defending it and even saying there were no flaws. In the end, what do you expect from the writer of Twilight saga as the show runner? just lol
 

jelly

Member
There is something good there but deep fried in stupid. Hope they've taken complaints on board for the new season. Nailed a lot of my feelings OP.

Just me or is Luke Cage a void of charisma and feelings. Also, he is so pumped up it's unnatural and I question if he is a real person.
 
One of the worst seasons of a show I've seen from start to finish. Reminded me of later seasons of dexter which coincidentally shared the same writer as this

And I don't get how people are excited for luke cage now. Dude is good looking and all that but hes like a brick wall (no pun intended) and the chemistry between him and Jessica was so bland.
 

DJKhaled

Member
I really really liked it, I thought it was better than Daredevil season 1 but DD season 2 is superior in every way, either way, I thought it was really good, but everyone has different tastes.

I mean it's a comic book show. When you lay with dogs, you get fleas.

This makes no sense considering how good DD is

One of the worst seasons of a show I've seen from start to finish.

You must not watch much TV.
 
JJ would have been better if it ended a few episodes earlier. But it was still a good show.

I don't know anybody who said it was better than DD though.
 

Volimar

Member
I enjoyed JJ quite a lot but it wasn't better than Daredevil season 1 at all. Hoping season 2 has her getting over the mopes some.
 
Love how it's always the token "you must not watch much..." response when somebody calls something one of the worst they've seen.

Nah I watch too much TV tbh. This just happens to belong near the bottom of the list for me.
 

TheFlow

Banned
Love how it's always the token "you must not watch much..." response when somebody calls something one of the worst they've seen.

Nah I watch too much TV tbh. This just happens to belong near the bottom of the list for me.
Same boat except for I liked it
 
Love how it's always the token "you must not watch much..." response when somebody calls something one of the worst they've seen.

Nah I watch too much TV tbh. This just happens to belong near the bottom of the list for me.

I feel like this is again part of the streaming generation / movement. Criticize a streaming only show that is loved and it's immediately an accusation back at you.

Netflix has put out a fair amount of shows with good to great first seasons, but they've all dropped off after.
 

TheFlow

Banned
I feel like this is again part of the streaming generation / movement. Criticize a streaming only show that is loved and it's immediately an accusation back at you.

Netflix has put out a fair amount of shows with good to great first seasons, but they've all dropped off after.

this is not true.
 

Magilla

Banned
meh, JJ is one of those debatable shows. either you like it or you don't

I was high on it in the beginning and the thin story started to wear on me, but I'm not going to throw down that comics can't have good, engaging stories. Ain't about that life.
 
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