-ImaginaryInsider
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http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/rendering-rainbow-six-siege
*Totally stole above from Dictator93's post from the Game Graphics Technology Thread*
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PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked
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http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/rendering-rainbow-six-siege
*Totally stole above from Dictator93's post from the Game Graphics Technology Thread*
It's a very good technique, similar to the one ShadowFall uses.
More devs should standardise it.
Until I see real Xbox Scorpio specs I'm forced to believe that they did exactly what I think they did..
Remember Microsoft never mentioned Xbox One's 1.3Tflops but now they announce Xbox Scorpio as a 6tflop console.
I'm guessing the APU will also need to have embedded ram for backwards compatibility with Xbox One so what are the chances of them fitting a bigger GPU than what is in the PS4 Neo in a APU with embedded ram?
The fact that Polaris can do half-precision computation gave them the chance to use the 6tflop line & the fact that Neo wasn't announced gave them the chance to say it's the most powerful console ever made.
Remember Microsoft never mentioned Xbox One's 1.3Tflops but now they announce Xbox Scorpio as a 6tflop console.
I'm guessing the APU will also need to have embedded ram for backwards compatibility with Xbox One so what are the chances of them fitting a bigger GPU than what is in the PS4 Neo in a APU with embedded ram?
The fact that Polaris can do half-precision computation gave them the chance to use the 6tflop line & the fact that Neo wasn't announced gave them the chance to say it's the most powerful console ever made.
Didn't they say the same thing about the original Xbox?
I eagerly await comparison videos between Neo and regular PS4.
Hope that they impress me enough to be interested in buying but I don't get that so much from the specs.
I do wish PS4 Neo was a bit more of a jump but I await users analysing the console software to death before judging.
And then PS5 will demolish Scorpio?
Haha there's always going to be something better round the corner from now on as generations are essentially "over".
Hope that they impress me enough to be interested in buying but I don't get that so much from the specs.
I do wish PS4 Neo was a bit more of a jump but I await users analysing the console software to death before judging.
And then PS5 will demolish Scorpio?
Haha there's always going to be something better round the corner from now on as generations are essentially "over".
MilkyJoe
Member
I'd say you can confidently bet on it.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
What do you mean by destroyed? In power, yes. In sales, probably not.
MilkyJoe
Member
The latter being inconsequential to the consumer.
Well I mean there will be a PS5 yeah!
But what can the generation jump truly achieve when all games will be shackled to PS4 Neo and potentially vanilla PS4?
Or maybe we're at that point in technology where old hardware like PS4/XB1 can still allow all devs to realise their game visions years from now.
I dunno.
MisterXDTV
Member
Actually Sony seems to be pushing for at least 1800p to create more difference compared to 1080p
amdb00mer
Member
Ok, if this is real I can already see a huge issue. It still only has 8GB ram. If you start trying to render at higher resolutions such as 4K, it will require more video memory, in this case it is still the same shared 8GB. I do not see many games, or any at all, that will run in 4K besides maybe a bunch of indie titles. There is no way something like Destiny with it's open world could run in true 4K with the same huge levels while still using just 8GB or ram. Unless you start adding in more loading between areas. MS is going to have the same issue with Project Scorpio, but something tells me a year from now when they announce the actual specs it will have 12 GB of ram.
That is why I bolded potentially and ultimately concluded that I dunno.
All many of us can do is spitball the future of this iterative console set up.
Developers making their games exclusive to the Playstation platform because of sales is a pretty consequential thing to the consumer.
Diprosalic
Banned
it comes a year later it would be weird if it wouldn't.
it'll be just as unimpressive by late 2017 as the neo is now and it will probably only have a year as the strongest console until sony has a ps5 in 2018.
i'll buy both tho.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I'm really not seeing the incentive for developers to put ~4TF into a 2160p framebuffer. It's dumb.
I was going to say that PC owners wont get 4K forced upon them from companies with an axe to grind, but the consoles will have a knock-on effect. If for whatever reason we end up native 2160p console games then you can be sure that's going to stifle what's achievable on PC.
I was going to say that PC owners wont get 4K forced upon them from companies with an axe to grind, but the consoles will have a knock-on effect. If for whatever reason we end up native 2160p console games then you can be sure that's going to stifle what's achievable on PC.
Thanks for the info and link.
MilkyJoe
Member
Not really something that is exclusive to playstation
It might sound dumb but bear with me, is the Neo is really as unimpressive in late 2016 as Scorpio will be in late 2017?
The fact that the CPU wasn't really upgraded makes Neo more "unimpressive" I think.
MisterXDTV
Member
I hope for the dual mode approach:
-1080p output setting: 1080p/60fps ultra
- 2160p output setting: >=1800p/30fps ultra
-1080p output setting: 1080p/60fps ultra
- 2160p output setting: >=1800p/30fps ultra
family_guy
Member
I would imagine PS5 and PS4 would be like a PS4 and PS3 situation. The games that make sense to release on PS4/Neo will be released and PS4/Neo will still largely be supported for the first 3 years or so of PS5's life.
mitchman
Gold Member
What connection do you think a 4k signal is using? HDMI! I think you're mixing and confusing the connection with the resolution here
As for UHD TV adoption, it's expected to be at 35-40% by 2019 (in the US) and was a 10+% last year. You're actually hard pressed finding a mid- to high-range TV that is not UHD these days. Your argument was also used for HDTV when the Xbox 360 was launched, btw.
http://press.ihs.com/press-release/technology/one-third-us-households-will-have-4k-tvs-2019-ihs-says
SeeNoWeevil
Member
Even if everyone had a 4K screen. 4TF isn't anywhere near enough. Upscaling would still be preferable.What connection do you think a 4k signal is using? HDMI! I think you're mixing and confusing the connection with the resolution here
As for UHD TV adoption, it's expected to be at 35-40% by 2019 (in the US) and was a 10+% last year. You're actually hard pressed finding a mid- to high-range TV that is not UHD these days. Your argument was also used for HDTV when the Xbox 360 was launched, btw.
http://press.ihs.com/press-release/technology/one-third-us-households-will-have-4k-tvs-2019-ihs-says
Leyasu
Banned
MilkyJoe
Member
If you ever watch a blue ray on a 4K screen, it looks great. Up-scaling is fine, the bells and whistles with 1080 will be my preference.
He's not just a river in Egypt...
Chû Totoro
Member
That's crap. If they sell this for 499$ then I'll skip. Xbox One S and then Scorpio or next PS system.
Better have two systems than paying for an upgrade which isn't really one.
I may be wrong and I would be happy to see some devs making Neo version way better than PS4 one but making the game 4K will probably be something hard enough. More fps and more effects.... not sure.
1080p / 30fps won't become 4K/60fps this is what I mean.
Better have two systems than paying for an upgrade which isn't really one.
I may be wrong and I would be happy to see some devs making Neo version way better than PS4 one but making the game 4K will probably be something hard enough. More fps and more effects.... not sure.
1080p / 30fps won't become 4K/60fps this is what I mean.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
The content doesn't need to be native 4k for there to be a noticeable difference from 1080p.
Leyasu
Banned
vpance
Member
If they can get most devs onboard with this checkerboard rendering, then #2 will still be 60FPS. If its quality really does look better than regualr 1440p upscaled to 4K then there's no reason for anyone to not use it.
LukasTaves
Member
Because no forward compatibility means every new console is a reset of the platform. You start from 0 each time.
In a model where development is decoupled from hardware you can start buying ps5 ready games even before the thing launches. So when the console launches which one are you more willing to buy? The one that you already have the games for or the one where even if you want to play the same game you already own you have to buy it again?
And being limited holds no water because you are always releasing new hardware. Ps4 will be able to run early ps5 games just fine, and by the time it's not capable of it would be sunset and neo would be the new baseline.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
BC means that your games will play in the new HW. Similar SDK and tools, instead of brand new tools and completely alien jumps in HW, will make patching better features/improvements easy and development of new games more evolutionary.
You can still make a version of the game for PS4 and one for PS5 as well as go maybe for a fat binary approach if Sony allows it, like they have designed PS4/NEO node to work.
I really think that it is best if we stay away from the rolling forever cross-gen situation we have on iOS and keep the benefits of the console model albeit it is not perfect and no model ever will be.
Diprosalic
Banned
possibly, i just don't think the 6TF Scorpio will excite me much more in late 2017 than the 4TF Neo will do this year. i will hop from the neo to the scorpio and i doubt it's going to be a big step up, for people that stick with the OG PS4 and XB1 until Scorpio comes out it will be a nice upgrade for sure.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Chû Totoro;210054747 said:
You are having very very high expectations for Scorpio as well if you are expect over 8x performance improvement over Xbox One which not even MS has promised. For titles which have headroom and could run over 30 FPS in Xbox One unlocked and/or plan for resolution tricks to avoid a native 4K backbuffer then yes going from about 1.34 TFLOPS to 6 TFLOPS may almost give you that, but in them other cases you will see plenty of corner cuts there too.
PS4.5 was never meant to be a generations upgrade, it is not a PS5.
Highly recommended since you have no idea what you are writing,
#caught off guard
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sony has announced in that document that NEO titles will have 500 MB extra memory back from the OS, but it would have been nice to have more although they gave it plenty of bandwidth for the power it has.
LurkFish17
Member
Are we sure this is legitimate final specs?
MilkyJoe
Member
It's all a good laugh, at the end of the day.
For more chuckles google playstation novus
MisterXDTV
Member
That's even better! Let's hope so!