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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Huh? They're just wireless controllers man. They sit on the dock when not in use. Simple.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I'd love to be positive, but as I thought from the begining of NX rumormania, I HOPE it's not a hybrid. And I still HOPE this isn't true.
Every single attempt at bringing home and handheld systems together has resulted in disaster, why should this be any different?
From the looks of it, gaming on a big screen will become niche on this particular hardware. Who is gonna want to hook up the TV an already functioning portable? And don't tell me about the dock having some power to it, don't believe that for a second. From a business stand point, Nintendo is aiming to tackle both markets with the same software work force and distribution, and that makes sense. On the other hand the system will likely be used for one function overwhelmingly..
I guess they didn't have any choice anymore, after their "new generation" went up in smoke, seems like the only option was to bring it all together. But it's not gonna work so well. I expected more from such a disruptive and creative company.
With all due respect, but *Barf*.
Every single attempt at bringing home and handheld systems together has resulted in disaster, why should this be any different?
From the looks of it, gaming on a big screen will become niche on this particular hardware. Who is gonna want to hook up the TV an already functioning portable? And don't tell me about the dock having some power to it, don't believe that for a second. From a business stand point, Nintendo is aiming to tackle both markets with the same software work force and distribution, and that makes sense. On the other hand the system will likely be used for one function overwhelmingly..
I guess they didn't have any choice anymore, after their "new generation" went up in smoke, seems like the only option was to bring it all together. But it's not gonna work so well. I expected more from such a disruptive and creative company.
With all due respect, but *Barf*.
wonderful103
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What you're trying to say is "better OS", "better API" not "coding to the metal".
1) Yeah, sometimes.
2) Thats just wrong and nothing that would work in the real world. Publisher bring their games on every possible console if it could be successful. If the NX would sell millions of millions units and would be a real powerhouse, the big publisher would bring the IPs for the console. They don't care if it says Sony, Nintendo or Ulumulu on the plastic thing you gpt under your TV. They wanna make money and if they see a chance to make some, they grab it.
If it is underpowered on the other hand you are right. We will never get downgrades of AAA titles even if the NX is successful. Then we will get either an specific made entry for the game or just a game which fits to the Nintendo audience.
No, a lot of the time.
And no.
There are things called opportunity cost and return on investment.
There are also things called demographics.
Look em up.
It's why you don't have Destiny on Wii U but you sure as hell get Skylanders.
brandonh83
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Becoming?
Relaxed Muscle
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That's a lot of distance between both systems. Is like saying my city is somewhere between the East US coast and the West US coast.
Yup.
A tegra powered handheld NX running games on cartridges. That all seems fine.
All this malarkey with removable controllers and docking stations and yet dual-screen pairing with the TV. Very odd. Could make more sense when we see a real design, but that Eurogamer sketch is awful.
Not to mention that Nintendo have said they want to keep the NX under wraps so the competition can't copy them, when there's nothing special here that doesn't seem like a minor evolution of existing mobile phone accessories.
Well, I'm also thinking from crowding out handheld gaming.
I mean take the DS Zeldas--their fingerprints are all over SS, but they could exist as smaller scale projects that covered Zelda for the handheld but there'd be the main Zelda project on console. Same could be said about aLbW or 3D Land.
Now the question becomes, if you have BotW on the handheld, why do you need the 'junior' Zelda game? Nintendo uses those to test concepts and gain development experience on smaller projects. Are we done with new isometric Zelda titles now? I guess they could continue in the form of Triforce Heroes, where the game clearly accomplishes something different. Nintendo stands to lose a laboratory of sorts, and I sometimes wonder what effect that will have.
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It also is just concern over what makes a game suitable to handheld and suitable to home console are not always in sync.
I'll use a controversial example: Fire Emblem. A lot of people like these games on handhelds but I really do not see the appeal. The levels are long, there is no permanent save state (in most of the games) mid-level, it requires a degree of concentration, etc. When I play it on a handheld, I'm using that handheld as I would a console: sitting at home for an extended time. I don't like suspending only to die when I load the game later, especially in a situation like the end of Fates where the levels are tied together with no permanent save.
To make it more handheld friendly, you'd need things like shorter levels (either by being smaller or easier), no permadeath, saves mid-level, etc. Noticeably, Fire Emblem is trying to toe the line between these values and what I want from Fire Emblem. Now, obviously, handheld is just the way FE is at this point--if true, this rumor changes nothing-- but this is the kind of concern I have and I think you can see its effect on FE pretty clearly.
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So I think this fusion is dubious on two accounts:
1- Disturbing Nintendo's software development approach and rendering certain games meaningless
2- Potentially driving Nintendo towards home style or mobile style only with respect to certain franchises, which could be to their detriment.
But it has obvious benefits:
1- Freeing up Nintendo to make less Zelda, Mario, etc. games and experiment
2- Less software droughts
3- All games can be played anywhere with limited hassle
But again, these have nothing to do with the specifics of the leak.
Wii U GPU: ~176 GFlops (old 2008 AMD GPU architecture)
Tegra X1 ~512 GFlops (modern Maxwell architecture)
Tegra X2 ???? (latest architecture, Pascal)
While Flops figures from two different company's completely different architecture is a terrible comparison, there's still no question Tegra X1 is more powerful than Wii U GPU (the entire Wii U actually)..
But he wasn't responding to criticism, but instead making a joke at the expense of someone elses hyperbolic and childish statement.
clem84
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I'm sorry if this has already been brought up. I haven't read this entire thread. Isn't possible Nintendo, even though this thing won't be a phone, that they will make it run some version of Android to make it compatible with the Google play store? It wouldn't surprise me if during those meetings at NCL, somebody went "You know all those mobile games we'll have coming out in the next few years? Let's make sure our next machine is compatible with those."
Claude Augario
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I'm hear for the reactions. I already watched people get burned by the fake NX controller and all the people that "corroborated" that so I'm at a wait and see approach.
That and not offering a TV only version are just baffling to me personally. A detachable controller is not going to have dual analogs sticks. Looking at a simple Wii mote style controller SMH.
The Last One
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It's a pure nintedoomed post, all things considered. Not a sensible one at all, if you think that everything Eurogamer's saying is just a bunch of rumors.
The hybrid concept lies hardly on the marketing and presentation. If Nintendo doesn't fucked up this two elements, the software itself will move tons of hardwares.
Mainline Pokémon, Dragon Quest, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing, YW, Mario, Zelda and whatever Nintendo and others thirds can come up with will do the job.
Many of us has the misconception that third party support is just the AAA traditional level of port to all systems, but if the hardware end up doing well, sales-wise, the support will come.
You see the DS, for instance, or even the Wii. The console had tons of support, even though it wasn't exactly what we wanted.
In the end, the system - whatever it end up being - have to do two things right:
1 - reach mass apeal
2 - affordable price
But knowing Nintendo, and its questionable market vision, we can guess this two things will turn into two huge misspoints on the final product.
goldenpp72
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If this rumor is true, Nintendo will basically be combining their Wii U and 3DS resources into one platform, and I would imagine the developers who make games on 3DS and Vita currently would transition to this platform, honestly, this system as it is could get a TON of exclusive games if you think about it, and it's not a pipe dream to think so. It would basically mean the platform would be the next PS2 in terms of exclusive titles, but yeah it wouldn't play nice with a lot of devs.
Can't wait to see Trev new video denial. Player Essence is already saying that he don't trust EG and really don't think this is gonna be the NX. Because of WSJ, take two and other 3rd party dev comments on NX (lol) and apparently far more reports being completely different...
They can't jump off their Polaris/on par with Neo/ hype train... The crash will be brutal.
They can't jump off their Polaris/on par with Neo/ hype train... The crash will be brutal.
Just see it as their new handheld first and foremost. Only this handheld has a TV out feature to appease the console gamers that feel shafted. Nintendo is likely done with the console race.
Buggy Loop
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Ooff the youtube comments
I think gamers that expect neo/scorpio performances out of NX just dont remember what happened with gamecube. It's an assured way to fail. Devs wont just suddently jump on it because of power, its got to be a phenomenon and move units.
Buy a fucking PC if you want performance @ 500W TDP.
Making this an handheld is the best move, it fixes the problem i had with Wii U, i was very excited for off-tv play but the limited range was a downer, and many games didnt support it. Now, all games have to support handheld, and it follows you, want to game on big TV? Also that!
Im the kind of guy that bought the gameplay player for gamecube to play handheld games on TV so..
Infinite Xero
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NX is rumored to have a Tegra X1 which is weaker than XB1, let alone PS4/Neo/Scorpio. I can't really see devs going through the effort of porting to NX which will use ARM and be less powerful. It would probably require a lot of effort and time to make the NX version comparable. Even then, I can't imagine games like The Witcher 3 which already are barely playable on the current gen consoles running on NX.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
You could pop up the screen on the television (via Call of Duty and other shooter game)
Ocarina_117
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I really don't know how to feel.
Will wait for Nintendo to unveil it themselves. Seeing Zelda run on it could sway me. Undecided at the moment however.
Will wait for Nintendo to unveil it themselves. Seeing Zelda run on it could sway me. Undecided at the moment however.
Kissenkopf
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I don't say we won't have these games anymore. I'm talking about specific versions of games. One for the console and one for the handheld. They are still there, they are still being made. Don't act like it's not true and every game is the same on an home console or an hanheld.
I see what happend to the industry and that with the technical advantages we could get better produced video games for handhelds.
But like so many people said before...90% of the people don't play their handheld on the train or stuff like that. They play with it at home. And why playing on the couch when I can get the maximum experience when I put the NX in his dock an play on the TV?
Now tell me why people should play with their handheld again outside? Now when everybody has their smartphone and the 3DS stays at home.
Actually the outdated view is to expect people playing mainly on an handheld again...this time will never come back.
A handheld is good to have but making a hybrid in the way eurogamer is presenting it? There is no place for such a thing. It doesnt combine the best of any world...
PS I should stop posting for today...
And it would actively make the design more expensive, and less practical for portable only gamers.
Always-honest
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And also more variation of games (You don't need multiple Zeldas, Marios or Mario Karts anymore), more connection between developers, more flexibility in exchanging resources (for example engines) and software developer can focus on one device (less lonely stables and more feature updates).
This could be an overall great change, how Nintendo runs its gaming development.
I kinda didn't get it either but i assume they will be like mini NES controllers for local multiplayer wherever (Obviously with a stick on them). Still seems weird to me.
The GamePad screen stuff can just be removed but if they somehow don't support gyro + stick controls in Splatoon 2 then they might as well not release the game at all. Kinda wish GamePad would carry onto NX tbh.
Nostremitus
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500GFlops
What's the exchange rate on Nvidia to AMD FLOPs?
What's the exchange rate on Nvidia to AMD FLOPs?
Nope. Only one E here
I could see them function as smaller Wiimote controllers.
People not always know, what they really want, until you sell it to them. Let#s wait and see, how Nintendo presents the system to us.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You act as if all console players are console-only, and vice versa. That's not true. Plus, if it's cheap enough, why not?
You mean like the Wii U pad? Because that's exactly what this would be. The main power console would have a screen and the controllers that connect wirelessly wouldn't. Same thing.
It would make it cheaper for the portable only gamers not having to pay for the detachable controllers and docking station for the HDMI out. This middle ground is bad for everyone. Portable gamers stuck with 59.99 dollar games and paying for things they won't use. Console gamers paying for a handheld device they don't have any use for. This should of been 2 separate product lines with the same guts just higher clocked in the console version to reach 1080p.
NeonZ
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They likely have lower budget than the console games too. The Wii and Wii U had 2d Mario and 3d Mario in the same system, so there's nothing stopping both an isometric Zelda game and a true 3d title debuting in the same system, if Nintendo is only supporting a single system.
Yea that's what I think too. I mean what does having gyro in cost these days?
TAS
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Guys..do we know for a fact that the NX will only have one form factor? Didn't Iwata say something akin to brothers of the same family? It would be amazing if we had a traditional handheld, a tablet with detachable controllers and a dedicated home console like the Nvidia Shield TV. Something for everyone.
Infinite Xero
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So NX should be compared to handhelds and not consoles? From my understanding, NX is suppose to be a hybrid, but I feel like the console side will be severely lacking. As a handheld, NX will "dominate" as it's only competing with mobile.
purseowner
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Guys..do we know for a fact that the NX will only have one form factor? Didn't Iwata say something akin to brothers of the same family? It would be amazing if we had a traditional handheld, a tablet with detachable controllers and a dedicated home console like the Nvidia Shield TV. Something for everyone.
This. Some sources are saying multiple SKUs.
PSFan
Member
Agreed, it should be bannable at this point.
opticalmace
Member
Link?
Consolidating their software output, yes.
Bundling both form factors in one, no.
This will set back those who only want the handheld and increase the barrier of entry to the Nintendo ecosystem. I imagine they will remedy this by releasing a cheaper handheld-only revision in late 2017 aimed at the mass market.
Guys..do we know for a fact that the NX will only have one form factor? Didn't Iwata say something akin to brothers of the same family? It would be amazing if we had a traditional handheld, a tablet with detachable controllers and a dedicated home console like the Nvidia Shield TV. Something for everyone.
Even if there were multiple SKU's, I can't see them releasing at the same time.
Fourth Storm
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Isn't SLI really inefficient? Like it doesn't simply double performance like you'd assume. Doesn't seem like a Nintendo thing to do and if there's alot of hardware in the base station, people will be calling for a HH only SKU like they called for Wii U to drop the Gamepad.
...unless they do sell the base station separately. Do we know for sure they won't? If we want to talk about the SCD patent again, it mentions a variety of SKUs, w/ rental even being an option.
...unless they do sell the base station separately. Do we know for sure they won't? If we want to talk about the SCD patent again, it mentions a variety of SKUs, w/ rental even being an option.
chronic_archaic
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Can't wait to finally see this.
It's only a hybrid if the base unit has extra hardware in it that would make the console powerful enough to put out competitive looking games.
So far, there really hasn't been any evidence for this to be the case. It's simply a powerful handheld with a TV connection feature.
This probably still is 2 separate product lines with the same guts just higher clocked in the console version to reach 1080p.
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