Coincidentally or not, it stopped being a thing right around the same time Sony and Guerilla got sued by some nutjob for not having "Real" 1080p multiplayer because KZ:SF multiplayer didn't use the 1080 lines of pixels the way he wanted them to.
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No Man's Sky gets released like, soon, I guess ¯\_()_/¯
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Coincidentally or not, it stopped being a thing right around the same time Sony and Guerilla got sued by some nutjob for not having "Real" 1080p multiplayer because KZ:SF multiplayer didn't use the 1080 lines of pixels the way he wanted them to.
HalfBakedProphet
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No kidding. I would have taken pictures of all the new games pre-release if I knew it would make the internet lose its shit lol
DeepEnigma
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I remember that, lol. Seems to be the case, or very coincidental.
I just looked it up again, he wanted 5 million dollars in damages. haha
Pestilence11
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You only have to worry about the ones that will play it 72 hours straight to get to the center. If they get it early then that could be bad.
DeepEnigma
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"Muh feels. I can never look at 1080p without having an emotional breakdown."
Some people man.
I am crossing my fingers this is 60fps on the PS4.
HalfBakedProphet
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People will, guaranteed. I doubt it takes 72 hours either
Be prepared for the "NMS 'beaten' in X hours" thread and the wave of trolling that will ensue.
GodfatherX
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i would prefer 30 frames/sec with higher draw distance/reduced pop in over 60 frames if it came down to it. The new trailers show almost zero pop in, but then again most of the bad pop in we have seen comes when flying near surface and there hasnt been a lot of that in these 4 trailers.
vix
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I think it's hard to define a spoiler for this game in some aspects.
The center is a spoiler. This one is for certain. (the others I mention below in my list I feel are for certain as well)
The alien races could be spoilers. The deciphering of alien text could be a spoiler. A planet could be a spoiler. Weather could be a spoiler. Ship designs could be a spoiler. But at the same time, these bits could also not be spoilers. If all holds true, every single one of us should in theory have a completely different experience while playing this game. So...
Will we even see and be dealing with the same alien races? Same goes for text? Is it universal? We don't know, do we? We might end up experiencing the same weather depending on it's variations and how and where it appears. I guess someone could never experience a sandstorm, etc.
But how could we limit spoilers? I mean, no one would ever be able to post a pic or a vid or really anything for that matter. Everything could potentially be a spoiler then. It's one of those games stuck in the middle.
For me, there are three (for now) spoilers I'm trying like hell to avoid:
1. How you start the game.
2. What's at the center of the universe/galaxy (whatever it is at this point).
3. What happens after you reach the center.
If the street date gets broken, I may go dark though. But at the same time, man will that be hard to do. Oi.
The center is a spoiler. This one is for certain. (the others I mention below in my list I feel are for certain as well)
The alien races could be spoilers. The deciphering of alien text could be a spoiler. A planet could be a spoiler. Weather could be a spoiler. Ship designs could be a spoiler. But at the same time, these bits could also not be spoilers. If all holds true, every single one of us should in theory have a completely different experience while playing this game. So...
Will we even see and be dealing with the same alien races? Same goes for text? Is it universal? We don't know, do we? We might end up experiencing the same weather depending on it's variations and how and where it appears. I guess someone could never experience a sandstorm, etc.
But how could we limit spoilers? I mean, no one would ever be able to post a pic or a vid or really anything for that matter. Everything could potentially be a spoiler then. It's one of those games stuck in the middle.
For me, there are three (for now) spoilers I'm trying like hell to avoid:
1. How you start the game.
2. What's at the center of the universe/galaxy (whatever it is at this point).
3. What happens after you reach the center.
If the street date gets broken, I may go dark though. But at the same time, man will that be hard to do. Oi.
DeepEnigma
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If that tradeoff is that noticeable, I would definitely be content with Destiny smooth 30fps.
Ordered it on Best Buy website tonight after weeks of them not accepting ordersWish I could still buy the LE
IfAllElseFales
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just saw that Polygon described No Man's Sky as a spiritual successor to Spore in their August Releases article lol, not sure I'd fully agree with that
vix
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Lucky something something!
I've been trying all the time and I get the removed item from cart nonsense. I regret not ordering it when it was first announced. For some reason it just didn't occur to me. Oh well, there's always a chance of cancellations last minute. Fingers crossed. Interesting, but they have said they made their own engine. Hopefully they ticked that rotation box off lol.
DeepEnigma
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Lucky something something!
I have my pre-order from Prime since they first hit months ago, but I want to get it know Best Buy for the Rewards Points and in-store pickup.
And yes, for the past week, this has been annoying. They should just grey it out if it is not working.
I thought it was Unity based, but heavily modified/gutted(?) to the point that it is pretty much their own engine now?
Either way, agreed, lol.
I've been getting that for weeks on their site but still try every day. Tonight it went through! Fingers crossed.Lucky something something!
HalfBakedProphet
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Polygon gonna Polygon. They also dropped in a line about "HOPE IT ISN'T DELAYED AGAIN LOL". The game has already shipped to stores, brehs
In terms of its use of procedural generation, it shares a bit of the same DNA as Spore. However It is in no way a spiritual sequel and the goals and gameplay are completely different. They threw that line in as a troll or were ignorant of what the two games are about.
GodfatherX
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curious, who wrote that polygon article? i dont contribute to their page views
vix
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I will definitely have to keep trying then. I have the regular game preordered at the moment through Best Buy too because I want the points as well and store pick up too. I have a funny feeling, I'm going to cave and preorder it on psn as well so I can play at midnight on the 8th if they do the preload thing. There's a part of me that would have no problem doing that AND buying the LE (or even just the plain disc version).
Then the rational side is like, dammit, don't do that. But then the gamer in me is like, just do it and play it as soon as possible! It's only money, right? Heh.eyeball_kid
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I don't know...this isn't a linear, scripted game where you can just run past the enemies to clear each stage. Someone might be able to jump ahead using the right wormhole portals, but they'll also find themselves in dangerous territory without proper equipment to handle it. I can't see something crazy like a 5 or 10 hour completion time happening.
Framerate has nothing to do with the pop-in because the pop-in has nothing to do with the GPU. The pop-in is completely about how fast the CPU can generate the world as you move. Graphically this game doesn't look like it would really tax the PS4. They've moved the world generation to a separate thread, so it seems to have solved most of the pop-in issues.
The alien races are not procedurally generated, so yeah I'd say they're spoiler material.
I think my metric for spoilers in NMS is:
1) it's never been officially shown by Hello
2) it's a major game mechanic or piece of content
3) it's part of the narrative Sean's keeping secret
If 1 + either 2 or 3 is answered "yes", then it's a spoiler. Of course what constitutes "major" content is subjective, but I'd say for instance a new creature is not major content, but a new type of building and its function would be. Deciphered lore would be major content, showing a tornado would not.
Pestilence11
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Yeah 72 was very conservative. My guess is 20-30 hours, if the sole goal is traveling inward, which will be no problem for many to do at once.
30fps would give the CPU twice as long to work out what to draw, so you'd definitely get better draw distance. But wouldn't it be exponential based on distance? So at a certain point even a large increase in CPU performance will only net you a small amount of visible draw distance
Why exponential instead of cubic?
HalfBakedProphet
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I'm not predicting sub 10 hours will happen so much as I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Someone will find a way to break the economy, grind a rare resource or make tons of credits quickly. Will that will be enough to buy an uber ship with a great hyperdrive and reach the center in sub-10 hours? I don't know but when you have thousands of players intentionally poking and prodding, someone will find a weakness.
That isn't a knock against Hello Games, it is just reality. MMOs deal with this all the time out of the gate. More recent games like Destiny and especially the Division's entire post launch seemed centered around fixing exploits and cheats.
The difference is there is no in game competitive advantage to doing it in NMS (and this obviously isn't an MMO) but when the center of the galaxy is seen as this big mystery, that is enough incentive for certain players to try and break the game as quickly as possible.
eyeball_kid
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True, but wouldn't that assume the GPU draw rate is locked to the CPU? Sean may not have wanted to artificially limit twitch action capabilities and thus renders the world geometry two frames per CPU update in order to keep a locked 60fps.
Yeah, there will certainly be people trying to break the game, especially given the amount of internet hate it seems to get. And some will just want to rush and be the first on reddit and Twitter to post the center of the ____ spoiler. I guess I just look at that endless galactic map and wonder how anyone could reach the center in 5 hours.
The more likely scenario regarding the Center spoiler is that someone will get their copy delivered early and have 20-40 hours of time before anyone even gets their copy.
Reluctant-Hero
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I really wish this was releasing next Tuesday. And I totally forgot that I preordered the LE on BBY. Need to cancel that for the superior Prime discounted order I have.
Oh maybe that. It was 6am and I had to leave the house so I just picked a word meaning 'gets bigger quickly'
I wonder if it's possible to get trapped? You could warp to a system with very hostile planets that kill you before you can mine fuel etc and if the save outa you back at your ship you'd still be in that system so could be marooned.
BreezyLimbo
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Oh maybe that. It was 6am and I had to leave the house so I just picked a word meaning 'gets bigger quickly'
I wonder if it's possible to get trapped? You could warp to a system with very hostile planets that kill you before you can mine fuel etc and if the save outa you back at your ship you'd still be in that system so could be marooned.
Asteroids will provide fuel when destroyed~ So even if you're out of fuel, you can still fly around and destroy asteroids for fuel.
Wind's Howling
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Only the hyperdrive burns fuel, right?
Guys... No Man's Sky is real and someone already found a copy of it
https://twitter.com/LegacyZ3RO/status/758458333674151936/photo/1
Sparrowhawk
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Just got in a preorder of the LE on GameStop's website. I really hope the PS4 version of the game isn't disappointing. I might just end up double dipping...
thanks for the heads up that the LE was available!
$100 usd is rough and double dipping with PC but oh well
Sparrowhawk
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No prob, hope you got an order in!
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah. If you want to jump to different systems though, you need hyperdrive fuel. I guess they didn't want to make it less fun(to some?) having to collect different fuel for your ship and for jumping.
(I wonder if they'll implement an option though..)
GHG
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Guys... No Man's Sky is real and someone already found a copy of it
https://twitter.com/LegacyZ3RO/status/758458333674151936/photo/1
Oh shit.
Time to hit up my guy in Dubai to see if I can get an early copy.
TheKingOfPain
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Jump drives too, and each needs its own.
HarryHengst
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Says 5 gig minimum right there on the box. Hello games talked about roughly 6 gig.
HalfBakedProphet
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It could be any backroom of any big box retailer, honestly
I worked electrics at Target back in the day, I remember everything from Halo ODST to Mass Effect 2 or the special editions of Skyward Sword sitting in the back a few weeks before launch. As a gamer, it was tough to deal with sometimes lol
Don't balk at the small size. It's mainly not hand crafted, and hand crafted content is what ups file size
It's Fry's, the guy is on reddit
Guys... No Man's Sky is real and someone already found a copy of it
https://twitter.com/LegacyZ3RO/status/758458333674151936/photo/1
HOW DO I GET HOLD OF ONE OF THESE. ?
AusRoachman
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New tv spot that I had not see posted before . Has some slightly new images
http://youtu.be/KJs0cME9lR8
http://youtu.be/KJs0cME9lR8
HalfBakedProphet
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@7 seconds...Pretty sure that is a new advanced alien race we haven't seen before.
also looks like a (weapon spoiler?)
shotgun mod on the multitool
Just canceled my LE. I decided I want to save 20 and go for digital, 59,99 is just better in my current situation than 79,99..
Also, NMS is a game that I want on my ps4 always like destiny. I don't want to get the disc for 10-20 minute play sessions or for remote play.
Also, NMS is a game that I want on my ps4 always like destiny. I don't want to get the disc for 10-20 minute play sessions or for remote play.
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