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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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It is so obvious he is talking about "meeting" another persons discoveries, not seeing another player. The game is not an MMO, its a single player game with discoveries being uploaded and shared procedural generation.

The fact that he is vague about his definition of meeting (and outright lying in some interviews claiming you can see the actual player) is just for hype.

The game does not even require ps+


Pretty scummy way to hype the game imo if true.
 

c0Zm1c

Member
Those tweets suggest that it's not only server issues but that certain prerequisites need to be met before you'll see another player.
 

Osahi

Member
Pretty scummy way to hype the game imo if true.

To his defence, he said this how long ago? Two years?

The nature of game development is: some stuff changes along the way, plans are made, tested and canned. Does it suck this feature didn't make it? It does. Is Sean Murray the second coming of Molyneux? Nope. Is No Man's Sky a very cool game that lives up to it's promise of discovering an entire universe? Yup.
 

jerry113

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Those tweets suggest that it's not only server issues but that certain prerequisites need to be met before you'll see another player.

His tweets can be interpreted in a number of ways depending on what conclusions one wants to draw for themselves.

It's genius.
 

Crossing Eden

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They have said you can come across other players but it is extremely unlikely.

I don't recall seeing anything about griefing other players. All I've ever seen from them is "you technically can encounter other players but it is very unlikely."
He said it.

How can you expect to see someone if you do not even have an avatar to Begin with. Youre just a floating câmera.
You don't see yourself, so, the only way to see what you look like is to see you.

To his defence, he said this how long ago? Two years?

The nature of game development is: some stuff changes along the way, plans are made, tested and canned.
Devs are usually much faster and much better at saying when a feature was cut or how they were changed. Especially on twitter. He gave two incredibly contradictory vague answers in the span of 24 hours.
 

JackDT

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My read on his statements is that *something* is supposed to happen when two players are live in the same system... but not full multiplayer. Maybe they can trade, there's a bonus item that drops, whatever. But you won't see the other player flying around.
 
To his defence, he said this how long ago? Two years?

The nature of game development is: some stuff changes along the way, plans are made, tested and canned. Does it suck this feature didn't make it? It does. Is Sean Murray the second coming of Molyneux? Nope. Is No Man's Sky a very cool game that lives up to it's promise of discovering an entire universe? Yup.
Two years ago? Lol

https://youtu.be/AE0nuW-mQ8A
 

panty

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I bet Sean reads GAF.

I'll buy your stupid game whether I can see other players but damn answer the question and don't circle around it.
 

Speely

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What if this is all just a mindfuck social experiment, and the algorithms that govern the game also factor into players meeting? What if there is a reason those players didn't see each other that are part of the whole equation?

Twist: The center of the universe isn't a place. It's you. You are the ultimate center of the universe, which cannot see itself...

... But other players are also the center of the universe, and thus no one truly exists to another. Not until every player in the game has reached the mundane center of the universe and thus unlocked the real secret:

That it's no man's sky because we are a collective consciousness that transcends the notion of self.

RevoluSean.
 
To his defence, he said this how long ago? Two years?

The nature of game development is: some stuff changes along the way, plans are made, tested and canned. Does it suck this feature didn't make it? It does. Is Sean Murray the second coming of Molyneux? Nope. Is No Man's Sky a very cool game that lives up to it's promise of discovering an entire universe? Yup.

The interesting thing here is that NO OTHER DEVELOPER WOULD GET AWAY WITH THIS.

What you're saying is exactly what Molyneux did for the longest time and he got scorched for it: He said something AMAZING would be in the game, then it turned out that they couldn't develop that feature and was never clear with anybody that this particular feature didn't end up in the game.

So effectively, it's still a lie - You're saying one thing, but in the end, it's just not true. So even if they did some multiplayer tests sometime during development, why the shit should players care about that? Based on all the interviews where he clearly said: "YES, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE OTHER PLAYERS!", people have been mislead in thinking that they'd be able to meet up with their friends, even if it's gonna take a long time - but in the end, it's just not true. He never said a thing about instances, he's never been clear at all on any of this, which is why people just expect it to simply work - and call him out as a liar because it doesn't.

It's 1:1 exactly what Molyneux did in the past - Saying something would be in the game only for people to find out that that was all bollocks. Not being clear with your customers is a shameful thing and his tweets are completely outrageous. Just man up and be clear with people on what's in the game and what isn't. If it was a bug, come out and say so. Don't beat around the bush or just face the fact that people will call you a liar.
 

PreFire

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What if this is all just a mindfuck social experiment, and the algorithms that govern the game also factor into players meeting? What if there is a reason those players didn't see each other that are part of the whole equation?

Twist: The center of the universe isn't a place. It's you. You are the ultimate center of the universe, which cannot see itself...

... But other players are also the center of the universe, and thus no one truly exists to another. Not until every player in the game has reached the mundane center of the universe and thus unlocked the real secret:

That it's no man's sky because we are a collective consciousness that transcends the notion of self.

RevoluSean.
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Eh, they said it would work like Destiny, a limited lobby type system were you could see a few other players if they happen to be in the same location.

No surprise it's not reliable, it wasn't reliable in destiny either on launch, and it's a rare event anyway unlike meeting at a handful of locations in Destiny,
 

c0Zm1c

Member
His tweets can be interpreted in a number of ways depending on what conclusions one wants to draw for themselves.

It's genius.

Indeed but I prefer to try and interpret something constructive from it rather than merely finding reasons to hate on the guy and, as we're sadly seeing, lamely post pictures of Peter Molyneux and such which contributes nothing to this. It's too early to hang, draw and quarter the devs at this point but people can't help but do that anyway I guess.

I'm thinking "cool moments" that Sean mentions, which is a follow up tweet to the one talking about increasing the chance of two players crossing paths in the universe might allude to an encounter with another player but possibly both parties might need to have specific missions or something for it to trigger?
 

Ethelwulf

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So the guy from reddit posted this:

Update 3: 8/10/2016 12:42AM. Thank you to all the people who tuned in to my stream you really made my week! I was so nervous when I found another player I was barely able to function but we did it! Me and Psytokat beat the odds and found each other already!

I read it as, They actually met! No?
 

d9b

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What if one of them was already dead?

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Lucifon

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I've got it guys. You don't exist. It's all a dream. So when you come across other people, they're not there, because you don't actually exist. That's what Sean was alluding to all this time.
 

Auctopus

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I posted quite a few comments over the last few months about how I never thought it had been confirmed that you could actually meet eachother in the game and it was essentially a SP experience on the same server.

I did say about how nobody seemed to be getting this message either and were gonna be disappointed. Weird that I never saw the messages from Murray either where he "confirmed" it.

I feel like we have a strong legal case here tbh

What is it about this game that turns people in to deluded nutjobs?
 

mxgt

Banned
Could this not just be a bug or technical issue?

Idk, the reaction to this on here and the reddit sub is pretty embarrassing.
 

Bedlam

Member
The fact that the devs dance around this issue and are extremely vague with their answers is already a strong indication that the functionality of seeing other players just doesn't exist. They just want to ride the false narrative out as long as possible since it suits them.
 

Speely

Banned
Could this not just be a bug or technical issue?

Idk, the reaction to this on here and the reddit sub is pretty embarrassing.

Absolutely could be. Some folks are just more focused on Sean's ambiguous wording over the past year+ and associating it with doomsday scenarios from the jump. But in their defense, the ambiguity was there. Thus this dumpster fire of a thread.
 

Coreda

Member
Wasn't even aware this was a feature of the game, or that it was a shared universe.

The 'It's so big! There's no way you'd meet anyway' is pretty handwavy though. The functionality either doesn't exist or is broken atm. Seeing how recently he tweeted about it it'll be interesting how its addressed.
 

Jhn

Member
I love this whole thing.
He sees the fallout of the failed meetup, and instead of clarifying it for everyone, he somehow makes it even more confusing. Drama gold.
 

dogen

Member
The interesting thing here is that NO OTHER DEVELOPER WOULD GET AWAY WITH THIS.

What you're saying is exactly what Molyneux did for the longest time and he got scorched for it: He said something AMAZING would be in the game, then it turned out that they couldn't develop that feature and was never clear with anybody that this particular feature didn't end up in the game.

So effectively, it's still a lie - You're saying one thing, but in the end, it's just not true. So even if they did some multiplayer tests sometime during development, why the shit should players care about that? Based on all the interviews where he clearly said: "YES, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE OTHER PLAYERS!", people have been mislead in thinking that they'd be able to meet up with their friends, even if it's gonna take a long time - but in the end, it's just not true.

How do you know that the feature isn't disabled or functioning incorrectly because of network load?

https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/763271005003538432
 
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