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[Anth0ny]

those pokemon gifs look stupidly good. movie quality. it's sad that super would never come close to that.

Dragon Ball Super isn't cheap to produce at all.

Between all the synergy between the toys and marketing, concurrently to the weekly episodes, all handled by Toei, they are putting a lot of effort into it.

so every weekly anime ever? every weekly cartoon ever? you say this like it's some special unique thing only dragon ball has to go through.

There's only so much they can do with a weekly episode production. Good animators are very limited, they can't be fixing every frame of every episode, or handle whole sequences all the time.

good animators aren't very limited, budgets are very limited. they go with the d animation team more often than not because it's less expensive.

again, look at early one piece vs. current one piece if you want an easy example. they were putting out nice looking episodes fairly consistently. now a nice looking episode is a rarity.

And Batman TAS shined thanks to its writing more than for its animation.

And then it shit the bed and moved the production to really cheap animating studios and it looked like shit. So bad example buddy boy.

yes it had some of the all time great writing but the first season looked consistently great. I recently rewatched the show and never saw any terrible, off model shots like I do when I watch super or one piece.

Lol, when did tas become the gold standard?

batman tas is the gold standard of creators taking their material seriously (writing, art design, animation) and not treating the audience like a dumb ass child that exists to buy toys. that's all I meant.

 

[Hydrus]

Dragon Ball Super isn't cheap to produce at all.

Between all the synergy between the toys and marketing, concurrently to the weekly episodes, all handled by Toei, they are putting a lot of effort into it.

There's only so much they can do with a weekly episode production. Good animators are very limited, they can't be fixing every frame of every episode, or handle whole sequences all the time.

And Batman TAS shined thanks to its writing more than for its animation.

And then it shit the bed and moved the production to really cheap animating studios and it looked like shit. So bad example buddy boy.

Literally everything is based off the anime/ manga. All those toys, games... If the anime is the is the thing they are spending the least amount of money, then it goes to show you they don't give a shit. The name alone is good enough for them, why should they care about the quality? If this was another franchise, then it would be understandable, but this is Dragon Ball. The one week reason is no excuse. Like I said, if Pokemon can look that great, despite being a weekly show with nearly a 1000 episodes, no reason DB shouldn't either.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

The name alone is good enough for them, why should they care about the quality? If this was another franchise, then it would be understandable, but this is Dragon Ball.

You answered your own question

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I don't know why you're comparing Pokémon now at a point where they're at the end of a region with like years worth of stories concluding with important battles to some slice of life episode of super.

Like how is that a fair comparison

I don't agree with the show comparisons but it has nothing to do with it being the end of the saga show has been consistent like that

 

[Moaradin]

unfortunately, toei subscribes to the "all the stupid kids are watching this show, lets just crank it out as cheap as possible" ideology for their biggest shows, one piece and dragon ball.


batman tas it ain't.

Precure is a show for little girls and the production values Toei puts into that is a lot higher than One Piece or Dragon Ball.

 

[Anth0ny]

You answered your own question

life ain't fair panda, life ain't fair

 

[bigDdestruction]

DBZ didn't always looks super good, it had its moments, let me share a few. That goku face holds a special place in my heart.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I don't agree with the show comparisons but it has nothing to do with it being the end of the saga show has been consistent like that

That's good to hear then, these league episodes have got me interested in the show. Regardless, it's pointless to compare action scenes to nothing. Even though Pokemon does obviously look better overall

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Did i start this animation debate with my dB heroes gifs?....I'm so sorry

That's good to hear then, these league episodes have got me interested in the show. Regardless, it's pointless to compare action scenes to nothing. Even though Pokemon does obviously look better overall

Aw dude watch it dropped the show after sinnoh xy got me back in its great

 

[Romars202129]

batman tas is the gold standard of creators taking their material seriously (writing, art design, animation) and not treating the audience like a dumb ass child that exists to buy toys. that's all I meant.

I'd go Bebop, cause it's better writing and god tier animation.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Hardly feels comparable. The Pokemon anime is made by a dedicated team whose job it is to MAKE POKEMON ANIME. Far more scheduling freedom.

 

[Moaradin]

Hardly feels comparable. The Pokemon anime is made by a dedicated team whose job it is to MAKE POKEMON ANIME. Far more scheduling freedom.

The Pokemon anime looked like ass for decades though. It got great in the last couple years since it seems like they got the Pokemon Origins team on the main series. Hopefully it stays that way for Sun and Moon.

 

[Hydrus]

That's good to hear then, these league episodes have got me interested in the show. Regardless, it's pointless to compare action scenes to nothing. Even though Pokemon does obviously look better overall

Lets compare it to action scenes then:

Did i start this animation debate with my dB heroes gifs?....I'm so sorry

Lol all good. It's just Dragon ball is one of my favorite franchise's of all time. Been watching it all the way back since 1999. It just pains me to see the quality in this day and age.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

The Pokemon anime looked like ass for decades though. It got great in the last couple years since it seems like they got the Pokemon Origins team on the main series. Hopefully it stays that way for Sun and Moon.

Well yeah at some point the Pokemon duties went to a team who wanted to give it a genuine effort. It's a crapshoot.

 

[Anth0ny]

I'd go Bebop, cause it's better writing and god tier animation.

the only reason I go to batman is because it's an a-tier franchise, like dragon ball, where they could have went on cruise control, wrote dumb shit for kids, put in minimal effort, and it probably would have been a huge success just because it's batman. the same way dragon ball super is a success just because it's dragon ball.

Hardly feels comparable. The Pokemon anime is made by a dedicated team whose job it is to MAKE POKEMON ANIME. Far more scheduling freedom.

well why doesn't dragon ball have a dedicated team whose job it is to make dragon ball anime? huh? we're talking about a billion dollar franchise here.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

well why doesn't dragon ball have a dedicated team whose job it is to make dragon ball anime? huh? we're talking about a billion dollar franchise here.

Aint happening before it happens to one piece

 

[A Pretty Panda]

well why doesn't dragon ball have a dedicated team whose job it is to make dragon ball anime? huh? we're talking about a billion dollar franchise here.

Because they haphazardly announced this show after the success of the two movies. They didn't know what they were doing and it shows. See:

 

[Vex_]

*Pops back into thread to check on the recent convos*

*Sees dbs bad animation arguments (again)*

Woah. Wrong timeline!

*Does a 360 and walks out of thread*

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Also, Toei isn't structured like that. OLM INC is.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Woah. Wrong timeline!

As if we needed more proof that you are actually Cell

Checkmate

 

[Anth0ny]

Aint happening before it happens to one piece

does one piece make more worldwide than dragon ball at this point?

Also, Toei IS CHEAP AS FUCK

ftfy

 

[A Pretty Panda]

These are the people they decided to air a frankenstein verison of a twenty year old show instead of remaking that show.

This is the show they aired before making super.

 

[NeonZ]

Yeah.

And I'm asking what happened to present Trunks. Since Gohan and Goten are there, why not present Trunks ?

The DB Wikia is pretty useless since they mix the promo videos for Heroes with actual story segments.

Anyway, based on what I can get out of Japanese wikis, there's no information about the time periods from where Goku Xeno and Goten Xeno came from. Obviously Goten's design indicates that he came from some point of GT's timeline, but there's no explanation for him joining the Time Patrol by himself and leaving everyone else behind or anything.

Between all the synergy between the toys and marketing, concurrently to the weekly episodes, all handled by Toei, they are putting a lot of effort into it.

Eh, I don't think the other tie ins make Super more costly. In this case, Super itself dictates everything else and the other stuff just follows it. This isn't like Pretty Cure, where Bandai's marketing decisions end up shaping stuff like debut of new power ups, weapons or heroes and even their designs. Although, this year's Pretty Cure is pretty weak animation-wise anyway.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

does one piece make more worldwide than dragon ball at this point?



ftfy

Mmmm idk but its damn sure they're money maker for Japan, so if anything will get a boost it'll definitely be Op in a perfect world Toei just gets better for both.

 

[Romars202129]

the only reason I go to batman is because it's an a-tier franchise, like dragon ball, where they could have went on cruise control, wrote dumb shit for kids, put in minimal effort, and it probably would have been a huge success just because it's batman. the same way dragon ball super is a success just because it's dragon ball.

Been a while, but didn't Tas censor out all the violence? Or not bother creating it in the first place?
Also, its one of those shows where no one ever dies, and the goodguys always win. Its very well written for fitting into that paradigm, I grant you, but its still doing it and thats treating your audience like dumb kids more than a couple bad frames imo.

 

[Anth0ny]

Been a while, but didn't Tas censor out all the violence? Or not bother creating it in the first place?
Also, its one of those shows where no one ever dies, and the goodguys always win. Its very well written for fitting into that paradigm, I grant you, but its still doing it and thats treating your audience like dumb kids more than a couple bad frames imo.

you're right, they weren't allowed to show violence or killing.

the fact that they managed to create one of the greatest cartoons of all time while still abiding by the rules of the network is nothing short of a miracle

there's a HUGE difference between treating your audience like dumb kids and having to work within certain guidelines. if you really think more legitimate effort is going into dragon ball super than batman tas, I really don't know what to tell you.

 

[Romars202129]

you're right, they weren't allowed to show violence or killing.

the fact that they managed to create one of the greatest cartoons of all time while still abiding by the rules of the network is nothing short of a miracle

there's a HUGE difference between treating your audience like dumb kids and having to work within certain guidelines. if you really think more legitimate effort is going into dragon ball super than batman tas, I really don't know what to tell you.

You don't think having to force out a half hour of content every week is working within a guideline?

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Attributing maturity to deaths is always dumb. Batman TAS dealt with themes that were genuinely thought provoking and told stories in a way that didn't treat the audience like idiots. There were countless episodes where Batman "lost" because the villains didn't get better.

 

[Kito]

What is Dragon Ball Heroes? Wiki says an arcade game, but I get the impression it's a show?

I now see the potential of this gif. Bookmarked.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

What is Dragon Ball Heroes? Wiki says an arcade game, but I get the impression it's a show?



I now see the potential of this gif. Bookmarked.

Arcade game marketing material comes in animated form and so on

 

[A Pretty Panda]

What is Dragon Ball Heroes? Wiki says an arcade game, but I get the impression it's a show?

It's just an arcade game, people gush about it like it's actual content, but they just watch little commercials for it.

 

[Romars202129]

Attributing maturity to deaths is always dumb. Batman TAS dealt with themes that were genuinely thought provoking and told stories in a way that didn't treat the audience like idiots. There were countless episodes where Batman "lost" because the villains didn't get better.

Of course, murder equaling maturity is not right. But when your show is murderers running wild and the lone under dog hero to stop them, and no one ever dies, and the villains are always thwarted in the nick of time, thats childish story telling. Tas dark tone exist hypocritically to its actual content.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

oh, wow, no episode this week either? fuck

 

[ElFly]

Attributing maturity to deaths is always dumb. Batman TAS dealt with themes that were genuinely thought provoking and told stories in a way that didn't treat the audience like idiots. There were countless episodes where Batman "lost" because the villains didn't get better.

maybe batman should have tried forcing the joker to raise bruce's kids, or marrying him off to some single friend from his childhood

 

[Kagari]

oh, wow, no episode this week either? fuck

Olympics. There's also a break in September.

 

[ArchedThunder]

This fucking thread...

Lets compare it to action scenes then:


Lol all good. It's just Dragon ball is one of my favorite franchise's of all time. Been watching it all the way back since 1999. It just pains me to see the quality in this day and age.

You realize that the show hasn't dipped anywhere near as low as that first image in a long time, right? We regularly get nice looking action and even the first two arcs had stuff way better than that.

 

[Kagari]

Side note, Funimation's Otakon panel was today... no Super once again.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Side note, Funimation's Otakon panel was today... no Super once again.

Yesssssss...uh I mean damn I'm so sorry guys

 

[Kagari]

Yesssssss...uh I mean damn I'm so sorry guys

There's a reason I like you!

 

[ArchedThunder]

ftfy

If Toei was cheap we wouldn't be seeing them put lots of animation supervisors on episodes regularly, even when there is no action, that's expensive. Super's problem is entirely due to its schedule, they had no preproduction time when starting the series.

 

[Romars202129]

This fucking thread...

Where was this when the Goten fanclub was runnin wild?
That said, seems like this is appropriate now some how,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p8VCVArM3w

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

There's a reason I like you!

Ooo what's the reason Xp

Where was this when the Goten fanclub was runnin wild?
That said, seems like this is appropriate now some how,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p8VCVArM3w

There's literally only me in here if they complained about that than that's a problem

What's wrong with the Goten fan club?

I love u

 

[Kagari]

Where was this when the Goten fanclub was runnin wild?
That said, seems like this is appropriate now some how,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p8VCVArM3w

What's wrong with the Goten fan club?

 

[Hydrus]

If Toei was cheap we wouldn't be seeing them put lots of animation supervisors on episodes regularly, even when there is no action, that's expensive. Super's problem is entirely due to its schedule, they had no preproduction time when starting the series.

Then maybe they should put less supervisors and more animators, because those supervisor sure as heck aint doing much.

Super's problem is entirely due to its schedule, they had no preproduction time when starting the series

They remade two movies, which they had no reason to do. Why not just wait until the last arc was ready, before starting the anime?

 

[Magwik]

Then maybe they should put less supervisors and more animators, because those supervisor sure as heck aint doing much.



They remade two movies, which they had no reason to do. Why not just wait until the last arc was ready, before starting the anime?

Because $$$$

 

[ArchedThunder]

Then maybe they should put less supervisors and more animators, because those supervisor sure as heck aint doing much.

The Supervisors do a ton of the animation on top of their other work, and Super typically has anywhere in the range of 10-40 animators on an episode, which is an astronomically high amount. Super is an expensive show and Toei is doing everything they can. If they didn't care and weren't spending money on the show we wouldn't be seeing the over all quality slowly get better as they work on the schedule and we wouldn't see large numbers of staff on each episode. If Toei was being cheap every episode would look like the worst of the series.

They remade two movies, which they had no reason to do. Why not just wait until the last arc was ready, before starting the anime?

Because Toei had no choice, Toei doesn't control the Dragon Ball IP, Shueisha and Bandai probably told them that they wanted a new anime immediately right after F's opening.

 

[NeonZ]

They remade two movies, which they had no reason to do. Why not just wait until the last arc was ready, before starting the anime?

They needed something to fill the timeslot. And they probably remade the movies to kick Fox out of the merchandising tie ins.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

They remade two movies, which they had no reason to do. Why not just wait until the last arc was ready, before starting the anime?

Keep the timeslot warm because Buu kai was ending

 

[Hydrus]

Because $$$$

Exactly! Instead of waiting for a new arc in the manga, they just redid the two movies with cheap animation and started pumping out merchandise asap.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Instead of waiting for a new arc in the manga

wut

I think you might be confused on how this thing is working here