ArchedThunder
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The manga is a promotional piece for the anime, not the original product.
Toei was handed a raw deal and they were obligated to make a new series.
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The manga is a promotional piece for the anime, not the original product.
Toei was handed a raw deal and they were obligated to make a new series.
Probably. Either way, I think this show deserves better animation. That's all.
NeonZ
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Actually, I don't get why this "promotional piece" narrative is so strong. Yeah, obviously the anime is the "main" project, but Toei isn't credited for the manga at all, which shows that it's not officially considered a derivative product from the Super anime (and it obviously isn't, considering how we know it's an alternate take on Toriyama's notes rather than being based on the actual anime material).
Romars202129
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Eh, at least no one's going to scream 'non canon' at me for referencing the show anymore lol.
Kyleripman
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Lets compare it to action scenes then:
Lol all good. It's just Dragon ball is one of my favorite franchise's of all time. Been watching it all the way back since 1999. It just pains me to see the quality in this day and age.
To be fair, that scene from episode 5 looks a lot better immediately after the part in your gif:
(ArchedThunder's gif)
ArchedThunder
Banned
It does, and Toei has clearly been trying to improve the show. Calling Toei cheap and blaming it all on them is pointing the finger at the wrong people, Toei is being the opposite of cheap on this show, they spend more money on it than anything else because they are still fighting the lack of preproduction. Here's an example of what they have to work with, episode 39, that fan favorite Goku vs Hit episode where Goku goes Kaioken was animated in 3 weeks because they simply don't have the time to finish the scripts and storyboards on time. They can't take a break because they have to fill the time slot and it isn't easy to build a buffer of scripts and storyboards when you still have to get a new episode out every week.
Things are clearly getting better though, this arc saw the introduction of a new writer who wrote the first 5 episodes of the arc and is returning soon (He's also the main writer of Pokemon XY and XYZ) . He is a fast writer and it seems like he's already had a real impact on the show's quality since many episodes have seen more normal staff sizes without any drop any real in quality, and outside of the series' solo animator this most recent episode was the first time in months we've seen a single supervisor on an episode and it still came out looking pretty damn polished. The show obviously still has a ways to go before the schedule is normal, but it's pretty clear Toei is trying very hard to fix the show.
It's in V-Jump, V-Jump is nothing but a magazine for advertising things.
Astral Dog
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Im glad they did, RoF needed an extended version,(and BoG had, well had new attacks) shame about the animation.
One thing i find curios is how they still use the Dragon Ball Z name when they are now associated with Super.
AwakenedCloud
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I think the key difference is that super seems to have moments in 80% of the episodes. Even the highest quality ones have a couple shots here or there that throw things awry.
Blackleg-sanji1
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The irony of you guys nitpicking stills and stuff is that you're no better than people that do it for super...
It's for the sake of showing others that Super isn't that much below DBZ in terms of quality like a looooot of people make it out to be.
Are people still trying to argue that DBZ is as bad technically as DBS?
Get over it guys, technically DBS sucks and by trying to nitpick bad scenes from Z makes you as pedantic as the people who come here just to say that DBS is bad.
Bald Trunks is even sillier... how could they not notice?
Get over it guys, technically DBS sucks and by trying to nitpick bad scenes from Z makes you as pedantic as the people who come here just to say that DBS is bad.
Bald Trunks is even sillier... how could they not notice?
bro you missed the point smh
The Manga has contradicted the anime and mischaracterized Goku
It has some cool things but it is clearly lesser
Yeah. DBZ looked better more consistently. Super has problems with static scenes quite often.
ArchedThunder
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Super's stills aren't typically all that bad, especially face shots. Super's main art problems come from action scenes(though not as often in this arc) and on characters farther away from the camera. The average quality of the show is actually at a pretty solid place right now, but it still dips into not so great territory, but not all that often. I mean even 53 which people bitched about because of the fight still had fine art for like 95% of the episode.
DBZ was more consistent within individual episodes, but the art styles of the supervisors were wildly different, so we'd get one episode that looked consistently good followed immediately by one episode that looked consistently wrong. Super has done a surprisingly good job of staying on model most of the time, especially considering the time constraints, and we haven't had a single episode so far this arc that looked bad from start to finish, just episodes that have bad looking parts.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I just prefer the animation style of dbz more that's all it is too me
anyway I'm a little upset that Fusions is looking to not be localized because that game looks REALLY fun. I also want to play as the Namekian with a gun lmao
NeonZ
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It's a magazine where most manga published by it are tied to existing series or franchises, rather than being actual new series, but it publishes some original works too (like the Baseball manga Strike! Zone). And I don't see how "manga tied to existing series" automatically means "promotional material".
Eh. I prefer Goku being annoyed by Gohan (and at least one of those lines came straight from Toriyama, considering how it was in the anime too. It's just Goku's expression that gives it a very different tone in manga and anime) over the hyperactive Goku from the Super anime.
Although at least since the Hit battle they've seemingly stopped writing Goku as dumb in the anime. It was really annoying how they tried to sell Vegeta as smarter in battle than Goku early in the anime version of the RoF and U6 arc (like how Vegeta had to tell Goku to use his head for him to beat Botamo, or complain about him not paying attention against Freeza before he noticed the energy drain issue).
this break is tearing us apart
i thought that toriyama did the dbo characters and story which is what the story in heroes is based on, and that's part of the reason why they're cool. I'm sure I'm incorrect here in some way
I'm gonna watch the GT movie and chat about it tomorrow if anyone wants something to do during the break. same time as db super so probably 5pm pst
i thought that toriyama did the dbo characters and story which is what the story in heroes is based on, and that's part of the reason why they're cool. I'm sure I'm incorrect here in some way
I'm gonna watch the GT movie and chat about it tomorrow if anyone wants something to do during the break. same time as db super so probably 5pm pst
Romars202129
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Forget that, imma watch the Bojack movie. Tein fights in it, what the hell have I gotten on it yet? Time to right some wrongs
BladeoftheImmortal
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people with blinders on up in here.
GT movie is boring as fuck. Enjoy it buddy.
GT movie is boring as fuck. Enjoy it buddy.
NeonZ
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He had some involvement with DBO, but it's not known what specifically came from him aside from a few details.
-Towa and Mira (his involvement with their designs is unknown though, it hasn't been confirmed whether he made some basic original design for them or just their character concept/story)
-The DBO variations of the Namekians, including their designs (like the facial markings and different head crest replacing the antennas)
We also only got confirmation that Toriyama created Towa and Mira this year, so there easily might be more DBO stuff that was created by him, but we don't have actual confirmation at this point just vague statements about him contributing to the game.
cool, thanks for the info.
i'm game for bojack. I just wanted to watch GT because I've never seen it before and now that I finished GT i feel incomplete without watching it. bojack is cool though. Isn't that the movie with the Goku dick punch
don't call me your buddy
i'm game for bojack. I just wanted to watch GT because I've never seen it before and now that I finished GT i feel incomplete without watching it. bojack is cool though. Isn't that the movie with the Goku dick punch
don't call me your buddy
BladeoftheImmortal
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Super Android 13 is dick punch. in Bojack goku is dead.
Super Android 13 is dick punch. in Bojack goku is dead.
Romars202129
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This is insane, they're giving cameos to one off dragonball characters! But I feel ripped off, they skipped sky dragon's fight with the sumo.
that's right, hmmm maybe I should watch bojack again
Hell no. It's very fun. Love the traveling aspect that is sorely missing from Dragon Ball for years now.
if you like it ishida i'll watch it this weekend during the super slot
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Shoot now I wanna watch it again.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Ooooo that ending..sooo goodI hope you enjoy it. It is very nostalgic for me, especially the way it ends.
Was gonna post a gif but no spoiling the guy
SPOILERS!!!
I absolutely loved to see the series end where it all began. Watching Goku's old house, all abandoned... Gghhh, my poor heart.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
SPOILERS!!!
I absolutely loved to see the series end where it all began. Watching Goku's old house, all abandoned... Gghhh, my poor heart.
his total despair he feels learning that he needed more than dragon ball after all that trouble
BladeoftheImmortal
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Enjoy your nap, guys.
My ONLY issue with the GT movie is exactly the same one I had with the Buu saga...
The freaking kids achieving Super Saiyan like it's fucking nothing. I despise that. Even Gohan had to train like hell and be REALLY pissed at his own incompetence to reach that level. And here comes Trunks, Goten and then Goku Jr just... Meh.... If anything, Goku Jr is even WORSE. He hadn't trained a single day in his entire life, and just by being angry he goes SSJ? Bullshit.
Goku and Vegeta's faces are very frequently butchered.
And it's not the artsyle, it's the artist having no clue.
Bulma Whis and Beerus are fine most the time.
Trunks is 50 50 at this point.
I agree with most of what you said.
But the "on model" part is a straight out lie. And yes if you want I'll gladly show you the dozens of examples PER episode that I have.
Putting a spoiler tag because it somewhat talks about the GT movie, mostly about Buu arc stuff.
Hate how we get SSJ Goku Jr. but no SSJ Pan. I hate all the SSJ in Buu/ GT, I'd argue Trunks came the closest to deserving it, since he somewhat trained, I honestly think there was no point in Goten and Trunks getting SSJ before the Buu stuff, honestly Vegeta getting his shit kicked in when fighting Buu would have been a good Trunks going SSJ moment, and Gohan "dying" could have been Goten's, the only time SSJ was useful to them prior to that was during the tournament, when it blew their cover and 18 realized it was them.
ArchedThunder
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Partly out of boredom and partly out of curiosity I colored one of the shots of Trunks in the flashback in the most recent episode. He actually looks really good with the blue hair with this design.
Host Samurai
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Great movie. Quite sad too seeing that graveyard of all the dead characters. Only problem is where are Goku Jrs parents? Grandparents etc
DiipuSurotu
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What kinda blows my mind is that the GT movie was released during the Super 17 Saga. Did they already know that the series was going to end?
NeonZ
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There's a one month break at that point, with only the special airing during that month. So, they probably knew something was going on behind the scenes. I don't think they knew the exact concept for the ending existed at the time the special was made though.
The last battle referenced in the special's initial narration is the one against Baby, and afterwards it talks about peace returning, before jumping to 100 years later, with no hints about the Super 17 or evil dragons arc.
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