Because they are not PS5 games they are PlayStation Cloud games but PS5 will be spec'ed to play them offline at 4K while other devices will only be able to play them at 1080P or lower .
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Because they are not PS5 games they are PlayStation Cloud games but PS5 will be spec'ed to play them offline at 4K while other devices will only be able to play them at 1080P or lower .
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
It sounds like what you're describing are cross-gen titles. If that's right, I'd say it's a good probability that will happen. If there is a large enough active user base at the time a game is to be published I think it is smart business to make sure that base of previous gen users can buy and play the game unless it simply won't be playable on the older machine.
I actually get what he's saying this time.
Basically he's saying that all PS5 games should be available to PS4 and Vita users (PS3 will be dead by then) through PSNow.
It wouldn't work however because NOBODY would want to upgrade to PS5 if you could play all the games at basically the same graphical quality on hardware you bought 7 years ago.
Most people won't make the jump to 4k anytime soon so being able to play PS5 games in 1080p will just kill all momentum the PS5 will have. It'll die quicker than the Dream cast.
They'll just update PS Now to play certain PS4 games when the PS5 launches. Sony has made it clear that this is their BC solution going forwards and I think it's the right idea.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I think you might be saying the PS5 hardware will be made and sold for those who want to play at full resolution vs. a stream of a game in compressed quality.
I don't think I agree with what was being discussed in regards to making PS5 titles playable on PS Now during its life cycle though. All that R&D, production, marketing and other costs just for people to be able to play in full quality?? Having another avenue to play those same games without buying the hardware doesn't sound like sound business model IMO
wapplew
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Anyone, Nvidia, Intel, Samsung, self R&D. AMD GPU is 1.5 gen behind, 2 gen behind with CPU and both MS and Sony going to hold back by them.
I want to be excited again, everyone using AMD is too predicable and boring and outdated.
That's why Neo and Scorpio happen, it try to fix the problem shouldn't be there to begin with.
Yes, company want to lock people into the ecosystem and what not, but why should we celebrate that? I want the best product win, not the product that have most customers tied.
I'm Sony fans, but I don't want Sony stay winning because people have invested too much into their ecosystem, I want them win by making better product.
Pretty much, but in terms of BC, if they stick with AMD which I'm certain they will they'll have 100% native BC, no internet connection required.
I think PS Now will eventually get some PS4 games added to the service at some point though.
This nVidia shit again?
The moment nVidia has the best offer to their (Sony/Ms) needs, is the moment nVidia hw is in a console.
The cost of box r&d is falling. The boxes also wouldn't be just for people who care about quality, but also the non-negligible market of people who don't have the infrastructure to stream.
I see cloud the way downloadable games were a couple of gens ago. Back then it was a secondary distribution channel alongside physical, supported by a growing minority of games, but not a first class channel in its own right. Now it's a day and date, fully supported channel alongside physical discs.
I could see cloud going the same way, perhaps as soon as PS5. Not a replacement any time soon but another channel alongside discs and downloads and console boxes. Or even if not day and date, I could see a model of universal distribution through PS Now with a time delay vs the others.
The one argument I see against this is that by keeping the software behind a reasonably expensive box, you perhaps promote platform investment and loyalty. But this is a double-edged sword - you also keep out a potentially wider market of users. One day I think the sums are going to work out in favour of enabling the cloud as a first class, day and date distribution model for games, and as I said, I think ps5 could be that timeframe.
Anyway, we're digressing!
That would be a terrible idea; why concede BC entirely to Xbox?
MS would have a field day with that marketing point, which would be a PR disaster for Sony next gen. MS is normalizing the concept of BC; many people will be expecting it going forward and Sony will have to meet market expectations. Locking people into an ecosystem is critical and having BC will make that a more manageable task when transitioning to next gen.
AMD on consoles is here to stay for Sony and MS, at least in the foreseeable future. Besides AMD pump out affordable APUs, and those chips will only get better once Zen matures.
THE:MILKMAN
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Not sure why such a big deal is being made of the PSU being big? I mean OG PS3 PSU was a metal encased lump that weighed 770g yet the OG PS4 PSU still weighed 424g.
Even if Sony have overclocked the crap out of the GPU/CPU I couldn't see it needing anywhere close to PS3's 380W PSU and it still doesn't explain the extra 1.7KG weight.
dragonzdogma
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The Neo must be a premium console
including PS3 BC
Optical drive for those who miss it on the slim model
All games will be capable of 1080 - 60 FPS
4k at 30 FPS
standard Console sells at $399.99
Bundled with controller $459.99
I cant wait till September 7 for Sony to announce it.
including PS3 BC
Optical drive for those who miss it on the slim model
All games will be capable of 1080 - 60 FPS
4k at 30 FPS
standard Console sells at $399.99
Bundled with controller $459.99
I cant wait till September 7 for Sony to announce it.
Khalifa Jayy
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Hmm.. credible?
https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/770865721127481344
I actually really hope Neo is 449 or 499. Unless Sony will be selling at a significant loss, this thing probably won't be what I'm hoping it will be.
https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/770865721127481344
I actually really hope Neo is 449 or 499. Unless Sony will be selling at a significant loss, this thing probably won't be what I'm hoping it will be.
Oh dear.
Negotiator
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First, self R&D would cost them billions of dollars and Sony clearly cannot afford that.
Second, AMD GCN GPUs are 1.5 gen behind compared to Maxwell/Pascal? You can't be serious... Does nVidia have the equivalent of ACEs for Async Compute?
The only good thing nVidia has right now is tiled-based rasterization and better DX11 performance. DX12 (and low-level APIs in general) is the future.
eerik9000
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Huh? You mean the TOSLINK/SPDIF audio output, right?
itsbenoclock
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Heh. Yeah.
If you have to buy a Neo because you can't find the disc drive on your slim, you have bigger problems, my friend.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Does WSJ guy have a source or is it an estimate? Seems kinda low.
gundamkyoukai
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AMD is behind who now ?
No one else has the parts that Sony and MS wants .
They are not going to put in a separate CPU and GPU those days gone .
They not going spend hundreds of millions in R&D to make there own chips .
Also come PS5 time Zen would be enough for any game consoles CPU wise.
Neo and Scorpio happen because consoles makers notice they are only people to take forever to bring out upgrades .
And phones and tablets show people willing to upgrade faster and that is leaving money on the table .
Also this gen Sony made money off the hardware even faster than normal so it make even more sense to them now.
whats worse is I have a 5 day weekend capping the end on Wednesday and my entire weekend is going to be refreshing this thread and I'm going to make no progress on my artifact weapon til the reveal come Wednesday lol
My credit card however......will make progress come wednesday night for pre-order!!!!
My credit card however......will make progress come wednesday night for pre-order!!!!
GIANKRATOS
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I feel like i'm the only Playstation fan that is not excited for this event lol.
You will be waiting a long time
MisterXDTV
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God NeoGaf is addictive. I can't stop refreshing this thread!!!
They don't have a PS3 emulator and they want to sell PSNow subscriptions. There won't be any PS3 BC.
UHD BR drive is obvious.
There is no 1080p60fps or 4k30fps mandate, developers will try to get what they believe is the best compromise for their game. Only requirement to pass certification is at least a 1080p resolution with same frame rate target of the basic PS4 mode.
The prices we'll find soon enough but a console without controller in a premium model is not happening.
So emmm overall I think you have "slightly" wrong expectations ;P unless you're joking.
Okami Haundo
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You want a more powerful Playstation 4 with a Playstation 3 built in... and you're hoping it will only be $100 more than the standard model is right now? I guess everyone can dream.
You just might be.
THE:MILKMAN
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Are you just completely happy with what you have then?
I'm already invested one way or the other as I already sold my OG PS4. Even if I was unhappy with Neo for whatever reason I'd have to go out and re-buy a PS4/slim.
just a prediction from a banker
THE:MILKMAN
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I think Sony got really pissed with the slim leak and shut up shop...
At least try and hide your AMD hatred,...geezers lol. Dude, no offense but your logic is way out there unless you simply hate AMD? What ever it may be....to say AMD tech is boring is ridiculous, AMD sells very affordable tech and that is very efficient for developers getting damn near to the metal...
Hell, If anything AMD is the company that pushed for open source API layers that is now showing its fruits in DirectX and just overall gaming as a whole because of what AMD did. I would say the opposite of what you said....AMD brings excitement in lots of ways..and every so often make some awesome advancement in tech design.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Kenny has a point, some of the leaked tidbits we are getting excited about (if they're accurate) might have other explanations past a bump, but it doesn't completely discount an upgrade either.
duhmetree
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So, you want a $1500 PC?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Lol! I do see the logical points of what you're saying. I still believe that while costs associated with R&D are less, as a complete process from concept to customer and marketing as well, costs are high producing a system. I can't see allowing another method to deliver the games to customers outside of buying that system.
MS is an exception to that thought for me since they have MS Windows running games which could run on their new box and make money in areas allowing play.
You could argue that PS Now has a subscription fee which makes them money playing the games, and maybe you have a point there.
I just see that there are a lot of people on here who have commented they don't need a Scorpio if they have a PC and won't be buying. It just seems that giving a solid reasonable alternative allowing players to play elsewhere may undermine many potential sales of a system and as a company you must make up costs is creating, producing, and distributing that physical device. I'm not sure you do that nearly as easily by allowing streaming if games associated to that new device.
That's like a chicken and the egg argument.
Is the PSU bigger because the box is bigger?
or
Is the box bigger because PSU is bigger?
Doesn't answer why anything is bigger at all.
GIANKRATOS
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I see XD
I would say yes. The thing i'm more interested in are just more games.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
What people say and what they do are two different things.
I can and will. The cost of PS Plus is annoying me more than anything. Might as well go PC as the price will even out, but I cannot ignore Sony exclusive games.
Darklor01
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Product design must have started in Texas. Everything is bigger in Texas. Allegedly.
Okami Haundo
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I'm in the same boat as you. Just sold my OG PS4 to capitalize on trade values before the event. However, all my friends play on Xbox right now and I have such a backlog that I might not even upgrade when NEO comes out. Time will tell. Either way I'm still pumped to see what it offers.
Given the language skills of our leaker I don't think it's reasonable to assume whether "bigger" refers to physical size or wattage. Given the grounded power connection, though, the latter seems to be virtually guaranteed and that will generally imply the former presuming similar efficiency. Greater capacity is manifestly not cheaper.
At the same capacity physically larger can be cheaper if you sacrifice efficiency, but that means generating more heat which makes zero sense in the context of a system like this where heat is the enemy.
jimbobsmells
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Nah coming in at 399 makes a lot of sense. Launch price of the PS4, with a cheaper slim. Sony will clean up.
StrongBlackVine
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Sony is not putting their new releases on PS Now. That is a platform for legacy software for the foreseeable future.
StrongBlackVine
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Buy a PS3 or keep your current one.
jmaine_ph
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Oh really?
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