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Final Fantasy XV interview: Tabata talks delays, Versus, fan expectation and more

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Koozek

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Cool interview with Tabata on VG274 from our @APZonerunner, who a few weeks ago also wrote a great preview of the recent demo of the first 3 chapters.

http://www.vg247.com/2016/09/01/fin...talks-delays-versus-fan-expectation-and-more/


Japanese developers are typically a bit buttoned-up. There are exceptions, of course, like Street Fighter’s wonderfully eccentric Yoshinori Ono, but mostly they remain cool-headed. After our chat at gamescom a few weeks ago, Final Fantasy 15‘s Hajime Tabata has added himself to the exception list.

At one point, mid interview, his expression changes in recognition. “VG247?” he asks as I finish a question. I nod, and he launches into an excited explanation that he’d read my preview of the master build of FF15. “It was long! Awesome,” he says in Japanese. Then “Thank you so much,” in English. He seems entirely cool with the fact that it wasn’t all positive, too.

[...]

VG274:
Was it frustrating at all, being partially tied to an older project? Was there anything where you thought that if fans weren’t anticipating it, you would’ve cut or changed it?

Tabata:
There were things like that… I’d always try to take things to a level where I was comfortable with it and could put it into the finished game. There were things where if I couldn’t do that, I cut them.

I really felt that within my own personal preferences and my own priorities that rather than have something that’s been announced in an unfinished state that we cannot get finished, we cannot make a final product – much more important than that is having a finished, enjoyable game that people can play and like. So when it became the choice between that, I had no doubt in my mind that we had to cut things for the purposes of the game.

…But every time I do that, people start bashing me! [laughs]

Whenever we’ve had to remove something, it’s always been a very vivid, negative reaction. It’s been quite hard for me to tell – is this a reaction from someone who is speaking from the point of view of a FF fan first, or are they just a fan of Versus, or are they just people who just want to say bad things? It can be really hard to tell. I didn’t take too much heat, but some people around me were quite shocked by that and didn’t like the reaction they got. I feel I did cause some people some problems there – I feel sorry they had to endure that.

[...]

VG274:
For what it’s worth, I disagree with the people who feel FF should be enshrined as only turn-based forever.

Tabata:
That gives me confidence, to hear somebody who says they’re a long-time FF fan say that – it really does. I really feel that it’s not what FF should be, to be a series that just brings back nostalgic memories to people. It shouldn’t be that.
 

Reset

Member
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.
 

Whompa02

Member
In regards to turn based purists
I really feel that it’s not what FF should be, to be a series that just brings back nostalgic memories to people. It shouldn’t be that.

Amen, brother. Move on.
 

Arkeband

Banned
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

You'd better tell them to cancel DQXI and WoFF then.

Shit, make sure you let Atlus know before they release Persona 5!
 

jorgeton

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Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

Uhh.. Persona 5 hype is not a thing that is happening?


Anyway, great interview. Good to see Tabata is unfazed by the constant FFXV haterade haha
 

pablito

Member
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

There's this game called Persona 5. I think people are pretty excited for it.

edit: Beaten. Also I'm not someone that is do or die with either gameplay type. Do whatever, just make it fun.
 
Hello! Thanks for posting this. Tabata was genuinely lovely; up there with Ono and Harada in terms of Japanese interviews I've done, and those two are an absolute riot, especially if you get them together. There are aspects of the game I'm still skeptical of, but I don't think I could ever be skeptical of Tabata's intent ever again. The dude really gives a damn.
 

KLoWn

Member
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.
Are you trying to win the most stupid post of the day or something? Good news btw, you're winning.
 

Skilletor

Member
In regards to turn based purists

Amen, brother. Move on.

My problem with comments like "move on" in regard to turn based is that...turn based is a gameplay style that has no age. It can be done well and differently, it can evolve. Action based gameplay isn't more relevant because people think it's "newer."
 

Ishida

Banned
Damn. Kind of sad to see that the Versus cultists have put so much strain on Tabata and the team. I'm rooting for them.
 

Bluenoser

Member
In regards to turn based purists

Amen, brother. Move on.

What was FF9 then? People complained how far FF8 had deviated from the "FF roots" so they went back to the old school feel for FF9. They implemented a skill learning system like FF6, and had 4 in a party, cartoony characters, etc. Seems that worked out pretty well for them.
 

Mcdohl

Member
In regards to turn based purists

Amen, brother. Move on.

Truth. Perfect quote from Tabata.

But SE itself is not helping, just recently we have had the following games based on Nostalgia or with a lot of nostalgic elements (characters, items, music from older entries):

-Final Fantasy Record Keeper
-Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
-Teathrythmn: Final Fantasy
-Teathrythmn: Final Fantasy Curtain Call
-Final Fantasy Explorers
-Final Fantasy Dissidia (arcade)
-Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade
-Pictologica Final Fantasy
-Final Fantasy All The Bravest
-Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

Upcoming:
-World of Final Fantasy
-Final Fantasy Dissidia: Omnia something

Also, there's remakes/ports all the time.

People shit a lot on FF13, including myself lol, but at least it got one thing right. It tried to build its own identity. And the execution wasn't the best, but it really tried.
 

Philippo

Member
Koozek posting so much XV content it's like he's doing all these interviews by himself.
RIP APZonerunner

Btw, i keep liking Tabata, it's a shame he gets so much shit for being the "replacement guy". I mean, some critics are fair and well earned, but not to the point where some don't even aknowledge the benefit of trying his own thing.
 
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

...South Park? Persona 5? Dragon Quest XI? Those aren't happening and aren't big upcoming games with turn based combat which people will play on their TVs?
 

.JayZii

Banned
I feel sorry for Tabata whenever I read interviews like this; He got put into the role of doing this thankless task. He can't wait to be done with this game.

I hope SE continues to experiment and change up the systems in each Final Fantasy game going forward. That's part of the series' appeal.
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.
"No one" should get with the damn program, then.
 
At one point, mid interview, his expression changes in recognition. “VG247?” he asks as I finish a question. I nod, and he launches into an excited explanation that he’d read my preview of the master build of FF15. “It was long! Awesome,” he says in Japanese. Then “Thank you so much,” in English. He seems entirely cool with the fact that it wasn’t all positive, too.

This is really great.
 

muteki

Member
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

Actually I've played quite a few newly released turn based RPGs on my tv this year and it has been great, with more to come in the near future.

Hopefully WoFF is successful and FF doesn't leave the genre altogether.
 
I don't love everything about the direction they've taken elements of XV, but I always come away from a Tabata interview with renewed confidence that he gets the big, messy spirit of the series.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

And just like that, thread derail.

South Park and World of FF could end up being better games and both as turn based.
 
Damn. Kind of sad to see that the Versus cultists have put so much strain on Tabata and the team. I'm rooting for them.

Purists of any kind are a headache. The people who think FF has to be turn based or that XV isn't a fantasy game are probably just as bad. Tabata does concern himself with fan response but I'm glad to see that he doesn't regard that as so important as to be limiting.

What's really sad though, is that even when you have people like Tabata and Nomura who are willing to anger purists in the audience to do what they think is best for the game, they're still limited by the risk aversion of upper management, which makes it more difficult to make new IPs or break away from FF demographics.
 

Skilletor

Member
It's a shame that Tabata isn't isn't getting to make his FF and was tied down with a lot of ideas from a game that they really should have just cancelled.
 
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

Except that we see thousands of people continuing to play these games on twitch and they are known as some of the best games ever created.
 
Purists of any kind are a headache. The people who think FF has to be turn based or that XV isn't a fantasy game are probably just as bad. Tabata does concern himself with fan response but I'm glad to see that he doesn't regard that as so important as to be limiting.

What's really sad though, is that even when you have people like Tabata and Nomura who are willing to anger purists in the audience to do what they think is best for the game, they're still limited by the risk aversion of upper management, which makes it more difficult to make new IPs or break away from FF demographics.

Yes, I'm really glad Nomura is making VII remake as an action game instead of turn based. He needs to do what he think it's for the best.
 
Has anyone asked Tabata why the combat feels bad to play?

Lots of people think it feels pretty good. So what would the question even be? Tabata-san, some people like the combat in the demos, and some do not. Can you comment? That's ace journalism there, maybe presssneak can get on that.
 

Skilletor

Member
I want more, but I also agree with not having FF be completely turn based.

I think FF should be whatever the developers want to make. The idea that it should not be turn based as as stupid as thinking it needs to be real time.
The only thing it NEEDS to be is what the developers believe is necessary for the game to be fun and fit their vision.
 

Gbraga

Member
As we finish, he quips that he wishes we could continue our FF nerd discussions over a drink

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artsi

Member
Has anyone asked Tabata why the combat feels bad to play?

Many people who played the master version said the combat is fun. Demos lacked a lot of mechanics so I can imagine it will be more interesting when you got magic, better weapons and more advanced skills unlocked.
 

DrBretto

Banned
Cool interview with Tabata on VG274 from our @APZonerunner, who a few weeks ago also wrote a great preview of the recent demo of the first 3 chapters.

http://www.vg247.com/2016/09/01/fin...talks-delays-versus-fan-expectation-and-more/


Japanese developers are typically a bit buttoned-up. There are exceptions, of course, like Street Fighter’s wonderfully eccentric Yoshinori Ono, but mostly they remain cool-headed. After our chat at gamescom a few weeks ago, Final Fantasy 15‘s Hajime Tabata has added himself to the exception list.

At one point, mid interview, his expression changes in recognition. “VG247?” he asks as I finish a question. I nod, and he launches into an excited explanation that he’d read my preview of the master build of FF15. “It was long! Awesome,” he says in Japanese. Then “Thank you so much,” in English. He seems entirely cool with the fact that it wasn’t all positive, too.

[...]

VG274:
Was it frustrating at all, being partially tied to an older project? Was there anything where you thought that if fans weren’t anticipating it, you would’ve cut or changed it?

Tabata:
There were things like that… I’d always try to take things to a level where I was comfortable with it and could put it into the finished game. There were things where if I couldn’t do that, I cut them.

I really felt that within my own personal preferences and my own priorities that rather than have something that’s been announced in an unfinished state that we cannot get finished, we cannot make a final product – much more important than that is having a finished, enjoyable game that people can play and like. So when it became the choice between that, I had no doubt in my mind that we had to cut things for the purposes of the game.

…But every time I do that, people start bashing me! [laughs]

Whenever we’ve had to remove something, it’s always been a very vivid, negative reaction. It’s been quite hard for me to tell – is this a reaction from someone who is speaking from the point of view of a FF fan first, or are they just a fan of Versus, or are they just people who just want to say bad things? It can be really hard to tell. I didn’t take too much heat, but some people around me were quite shocked by that and didn’t like the reaction they got. I feel I did cause some people some problems there – I feel sorry they had to endure that.

[...]

VG274:
For what it’s worth, I disagree with the people who feel FF should be enshrined as only turn-based forever.

Tabata:
That gives me confidence, to hear somebody who says they’re a long-time FF fan say that – it really does. I really feel that it’s not what FF should be, to be a series that just brings back nostalgic memories to people. It shouldn’t be that.

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I LOVE this gif. His POWERFUL stance. The self-assertion.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.


I like that dude, though. I really do. I've never really followed any particular video game developers at all, but every time Tabata opens his mouth, he says the rational thing. That is a guy that knows how to cut through some bullshit.

He gets a lot of flack for having to be the "bad guy" that lives in the real world, but I am convinced this game doesn't ever see the light of day without him. It's a shame, too, because he seems like a really likable, hardworking guy.
 

Whompa02

Member
What was FF9 then? People complained how far FF8 had deviated from the "FF roots" so they went back to the old school feel for FF9. They implemented a skill learning system like FF6, and had 4 in a party, cartoony characters, etc. Seems that worked out pretty well for them.

Well to be honest FFXV looks like a return from whatever the hell FFXIII was.
 

JBwB

Member
Now that was a good read. Great interview.

Tabata:
I really feel that it’s not what FF should be, to be a series that just brings back nostalgic memories to people. It shouldn’t be that.

Well said Tabata.
 

Koozek

Member
Hello! Thanks for posting this. Tabata was genuinely lovely; up there with Ono and Harada in terms of Japanese interviews I've done, and those two are an absolute riot, especially if you get them together. There are aspects of the game I'm still skeptical of, but I don't think I could ever be skeptical of Tabata's intent ever again. The dude really gives a damn.
Yeah, that seems to be a common sentiment with interviewers^^

 

Burbeting

Banned
Pretty good interview, at least Tabata feels to be quite honest about how he feels about the game and FF series as whole, even if some people might not agree.

Also smh at that thread derail, now like half of the posts are just commenting on that, instead of the actual interview.
 

Whompa02

Member
Prediction: XV will score lower than XIII did on Metacritic.

I'll take your bet. Has to score higher than an 83, which honestly I can see...maybe I'll be wrong tho.

Then again, Deus Ex Mankind Divided scored real close so maybe I'll lose that bet.
 

daveo42

Banned
Yeah, I'm also glad that they moved on from making it pure turn based. It's 2016, no one wants to play a turn based rpgs on their tv now.

Pure turn based hasn't been a thing in FF for a long time, but I understand what you are getting at. Some of us still like and enjoy playing games with more turn based combat than ARPG and there are ways to evolve the system as opposed to throwing it out because it's old.

If they feel that moving FF to an ARPG combat system is the best for the game, then so be it. Please don't dismiss a combat system tho just because you don't like it.
 
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