This is so true, I've seen so many claim they are using logic and reason... All I see are people who are delusional because they're spending too much time believing everything SMD/HNF/PE says than they are at using their own head to try to disprove Eurogamer and the like if they think they have logic and reason. lol
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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This is so true, I've seen so many claim they are using logic and reason... All I see are people who are delusional because they're spending too much time believing everything SMD/HNF/PE says than they are at using their own head to try to disprove Eurogamer and the like if they think they have logic and reason. lol
Another update. Now I'm just trying to get the shoulder buttons on there somehow .. PM me if you want a crack at the PSD.
And triggers. Don't forget the triggers.
Much better. Not sure if the placing of buttons/sticks is convenient/ergonomic. But it looks nice at least.
Everytime I see these mock-ups it makes me wish Nintendo just went down the "normal" console route i.e. a spiritual successor to the GC. I mean what's the point of all these compromises? I don't see any of these gimmicks setting the world on fire. And I have a feeling that the hardware design is going to look ugly as fuck.
OrbitalBeard
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The market has no need for a traditional piece of hardware from Nintendo.
They better show something. All this talk of merging the development teams to improve software support, so leverage it for pete's sake! There isn't an E3 between now and March to reveal games in, though I guess they could have more Directs.
Looking back to the 2012 E3 blowout, we got NSMBU, first footage of Pikmin 3, Nintendo Land, and postshow there was The Wonderful 101. I'm probably forgetting a couple random 3rd party things. Zombi U did get revealed at the Ubisoft conference. Bayonetta 2 and MH3U followed at a later event. Let's see what they got.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
As someone who isn't really a handheld gamer, the leaked NX stuff is pretty disappointing to me. I'm really hoping there's more to it than just being portable, having detachable controllers and marginally more power.
To be honest, I don't really see how this is very different from WiiU, which is weird to me since they are always distancing NX from WiiU in interviews and saying it's a completely different concept.
I know this is all just leaks and rumours, but I'd be pretty disappointed if this really is all it turns out to be. Unless they really blow away with software.
To be honest, I don't really see how this is very different from WiiU, which is weird to me since they are always distancing NX from WiiU in interviews and saying it's a completely different concept.
I know this is all just leaks and rumours, but I'd be pretty disappointed if this really is all it turns out to be. Unless they really blow away with software.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
It look incredible Pittree! I'd buy me two of those.
There's no need to worry about NX launch imo - as much as I'm personally worried about Breath of the Wild, the reaction to it at E3 showed that it should be able to carry the launch almost alone regarding media coverage and fan noise. And we know it won't be asked to do it alone.
Zelda will get the hardcore fans on board from day 1, and that's really valuable in terms of online hype and social media noise. It can translate to more mainstream media coverage if it gets big enough. It's just a really good card to have ready to play, and delaying it like this for NX was always the right call.
Zelda will get the hardcore fans on board from day 1, and that's really valuable in terms of online hype and social media noise. It can translate to more mainstream media coverage if it gets big enough. It's just a really good card to have ready to play, and delaying it like this for NX was always the right call.
Yep. It'd be pretty terrible. We are in pretty terrible times for Nintendo fans, this last year and a half between SMM and March 2017.
I mean, going by development timetables, we'd expect Tokyo EPD, Kyoto EPD, and Retro to be able to drop Mario, Zelda, whatever-Retro's-doing by holiday 2016, but if Nintendo is to be believed, NX has been pushed to March because of software concerns. Moreover, Miyamoto hints at Mario doing something new and Retro is rumored to be on a new IP so that can bloat development time. Still, I think we have reason to expect Mario by holiday 2017 with Retro maybe being pushed into 2018 to spread things out. But just half a year ago I was saying 2016 and 2017 respectively, so Nintendo has a way of pushing things back on us lately and I wouldn't be surprised if that struck again.
Right now I'm guessing it is Zelda from March to holiday as the only big Nintendo game and then Mario on the holiday. But again, I was guessing NX holiday 2016
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As for the reveal itself, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo will sit back on some games even if they are first year projects. Maybe they'll show Mario and keep Retro back for e3 or something.
Fourth Storm
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That's awesome, Pittree. Love the addition of the c sticks on the main unit. One thing I would change is I think the bottom dpad/stick can be higher up. That way, they're more accessible for traditional handheld play and the units should be small enough that they're still very reachable in detached horizontal mode.
Jzero
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Looks good. It's the one that makes the most sense.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Miyamoto said they might show the new type of Mario at next year's E3 so I doubt it will be shown this month.Yep. It'd be pretty terrible. We are in pretty terrible times for Nintendo fans, this last year and a half between SMM and March 2017.
I mean, going by development timetables, we'd expect Tokyo EPD, Kyoto EPD, and Retro to be able to drop Mario, Zelda, whatever-Retro's-doing by holiday 2016, but if Nintendo is to be believed, NX has been pushed to March because of software concerns. Moreover, Miyamoto hints at Mario doing something new and Retro is rumored to be on a new IP so that can bloat development time. Still, I think we have reason to expect Mario by holiday 2017 with Retro maybe being pushed into 2018 to spread things out. But just half a year ago I was saying 2016 and 2017 respectively, so Nintendo has a way of pushing things back on us lately and I wouldn't be surprised if that struck again.
Right now I'm guessing it is Zelda from March to holiday as the only big Nintendo game and then Mario on the holiday. But again, I was guessing NX holiday 2016
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As for the reveal itself, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo will sit back on some games even if they are first year projects. Maybe they'll show Mario and keep Retro back for e3 or something.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
Good mock up but I'd change a few things on that
- Have the shoulder buttons on the detachable controllers so you don't lose them when detached from the tablet
- Have near non existent break for the width of the tablet as the systems is wide enough due to the 6.2inch screen
- Symtrical analogy at top for identical controllers
- Both sides of the detachable controllers to be curved so 2 ,players can play Wii Mote style
- Buttons and Dpad closer to analogy and higher up
- Detachable controller unlock button beneath allows you to slide down the button PS and d pad to the opposite side of the controller for NES style play
- When holding controllers sideways NES style there are 2 hidden scroll wheel buttons on the side. This allows camera controls for 3D games without the need for 2nd analog sticks. Surprise announcement Zelda allows 2 player optional co op play which uses this
Skittzo0413
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Can go a step further and not install anything, just use your web browser!
https://pixlr.com/editor/
There is no excuse to use Paint now
I actually used paint.net which I think is a pretty nice paint upgrade, but point taken haha!
Also the screen was literally taken from an image of the Wii U gamepad and then resized keeping the aspect ratio, so I'm not sure how that isn't 6.2 inches.
Either way the point of the mockup is to show how you can have much more ergonomic controller portions than the rectangles everyone keeps coming up with. These control portions can't possibly work comfortably for dual analog control schemes in both attached and detached mode, which is what I'm convinced the point of the detachable controllers is.
My mockup definitely doesn't look great but I think it demonstrates the need to have a diagonal offset between the sticks and buttons and include actual grips in order to comfortably replicate a typical dual analog controller.
I'd like to imagine that the hardware people at Nintendo design new consoles in a similar collaborative fashion.
> "Hey look... I've made the Buttons detachable"
< "Ehh cool i guess...but how about making them not donut shaped?"
^ "Yeah and we probably should swap the 6.3mm headphone jack with a 3.5mm!"
Okay then...Zelda and Wii Sports game and sizzle real is my guess.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
Like what you did with the button colors. So I guess prompts by color not name in 2 player?
OrbitalBeard
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Don't take a Nintendo exec's words as gospel. If Mario were to be revealed this year, Miyamoto wouldn't let that slip in an interview.
Spyder_Monkey
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Pls don't replace the d-pad split or not with another set of buttons. Honestly, these controllers should be more like a Wiimote and nunchuck than two seperate controllers. For some reason every mock-up gets this wrong because I doubt it would be used much due to its sheer impracticality.
It looks nice, but I was thinking PlayStation D-Pad in terms of a split D-Pad rather than separate buttons.Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
I'll buy that for a dollar too!
I honestly placed them as close as possible, but precisely with the thing being so small, bringing them closer would cause issues with the center hom and share buttons being pressed accidentally while using x button.
Thanks man. I really put a lot of thought in to it and received some very nice input from fellow gaffers
Of course I could. But I don't wan to spam the thread. Maybe I'll post it later or PM to you
-There are shoulder buttons in the controllers (L and R)
-As much as I understand your feeling about this, at one point I realized the tablet needed space for the electronics and that it would be a major advantage having physical inputs in tablet form.
-If the controllers are to be identical, one of the sticks needs to be placed upside down
-Thanks for the input! I am already finished with work on this, but feel free to take the image and implement any ideas you would like
Wii Sports? Best drop the Wii name.
Also they need a heck of a lot more than a sizzle reel. Nothing says "here's a bunch of shit that doesn't deserve focus or may get canned" like sizzle reels.
Personally, I think they should show Mario. It is a new Nintendo. But I also think Mario is probably holiday 2017, so I could see them sitting on it even though I don't think they should. I'm not taking Miyamoto's word as gospel in walking back what I said, so much as weighing it as another reason to guess lower (and hopefully be pleasantly surprised).
I guess Mario could also be summer or fall 2017? I doubt it is launch. New Mario + BotW would seem like overkill, especially if there is little between them and the holiday.
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Mario at reveal for 2017 June+ release and then Retro at e3 for Holiday 2017+ release would be cool in my book.
I meant by Wii Sports game the NX equivalent of Nintendo land. And yeah, I'd want more than a sizzle reel of 3rd Party support. I could see Sonic, DQ XI, etc. getting deeper treatment. I was being partly facetious.
-Pyromaniac-
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other than the right analog being in a nonsensical place, this looks gudddddd. Too big though.Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
The sizzle reel for the Wii at its first proper E3 was amazing, just casually unveiled Super Mario Galaxy ect ect.
I understand, but hopefully there will be amazing software (IMO no reason to believe there won't be), and on the bright side, if it's as rumored, you never have to use it as a handheld, and it can be used as a console more powerful than a Wii U, and probably with a normal controller as well. ☺
Incitemaybe
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Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
This looks pretty awesome for the most part, sadly I'm expecting something ugly from the actual reveal.....
JStein0222
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This is about what I'm expecting/hoping for, would definitely buy it. I think the controllers that don't employ Wii Remote style trigger grips are missing out.
Here's his comment --
"We're always challenging ourselves to create something new, so hopefully you'll see a new kind of Mario in about a year or two. Maybe next E3 we'll be able to share something."
I may be reading into it too much, and like you I don't take it as gospel, but I did read it as "probably holiday 2017 at the earliest," but I adore Mario games so I might just be trying to not set myself up for disappointment if were not playing it till then or later. So I guess my only thought is that I don't expect Mario till at least a tear from now, and I don't think I expect Retro right at launch. I would guess launch is Zelda and a showcase game and maybe a couple other titles not in the above categories (at least one Wii U port near launch, given the rumors?). But I can only speculate what the plan is and will be very curious to see what the software rollout is like. I do think that the next Mario might combine 2D and 3D into one, and I don't think we will see any more NSMB for the time being regardless, based on Nintendo's comments IIRC made around when SMM was releasing (I think they indicated the next 2D Mario would take a different format or style). NSMB wasn't enough to propel Wii U at launch so whatever form 2D Mario next comes in I don't expect it to be at launch.
OrbitalBeard
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I think Mario is Holiday 2017 as well, but if Nintendo doesn't show it before launch, it'll be the first time they've released a console without revealing a Mario game since....the Famicom, probably?
Edit - 3DS launched on February 26, 2011 in Japan and Iwata revealed 3D Land at GDC on March 2nd, sooooo I'm wrong. HOWEVER, 3DS hadn't launched in the west yet, so I'm not taking the L!
Edit - 3DS launched on February 26, 2011 in Japan and Iwata revealed 3D Land at GDC on March 2nd, sooooo I'm wrong. HOWEVER, 3DS hadn't launched in the west yet, so I'm not taking the L!
Paint.net is ok, it's easier than Gimp, but not as good.
You kept the aspect ratio... but did you keep the size locked compared to the handles/buttons/stick? I wasn't saying the aspect ratio was off, i meant the size was off, compared to the handles. For instance, the 6.2" screen of the WiiU is 1cm higher than the middle part of the WiiU pro controller as a reference.
This should be somewhat relevant for size:
To be clear, it's just the pro controller with a gamepad screen slapped in the middle, but the measurements should be correct.
Angry Chair
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How is this like the Wii U? The only thing I can think of is the screen but if the dock is needed for TV out, you won't even have access to it which is different from the Wii U. Nintendo saying it's a completely different concept from the Wii and Wii U is meaningless PR speak. If they were asked if the NX was the Gamecube, I guarantee they would have given the same answer.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
I hope it doesn't look like this (controller is too tiny for my taste) but damn you're good at this!
As much as I like Nintendo, this. Other than Zelda: Breath of the Wild, their teams have all been silent. If they've got no games to show, then what are they doing?
I guess yeah it's the screen and the power sounds like it won't be a heap more than the WiiU. But I didn't realise it was implied you wouldn't use the screen when it's docked to the TV. I wonder what the control scheme will be when it's in use that way then?
I can see how it's a big change and leap forward for a handheld, but I'm just not seeing anything very exciting or new as a home console yet. Hopefully there's more to it.
And you're right about the PR speak. I suppose I just thought after the failure that the WiiU sales were, they really would do something very different from it.
But yeah the most important thing is software and only having to support one platform should make a massive difference. So hopefully they impress in that area, if not in the hardware side of things.
Skittzo0413
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Paint.net is ok, it's easier than Gimp, but not as good.
You kept the aspect ratio... but did you keep the size locked compared to the handles/buttons/stick? I wasn't saying the aspect ratio was off, i meant the size was off, compared to the handles. For instance, the 6.2" screen of the WiiU is 1cm higher than the middle part of the WiiU pro controller as a reference.
This should be somewhat relevant for size:
To be clear, it's just the pro controller with a gamepad screen slapped in the middle, but the measurements should be correct.
The main idea was that the controller portions are thinner and smaller, as otherwise you wouldn't really be able to hold and use them when they're detached, so I smooshed the controller portions a bit, definitely not methodically just because it's a quick and dirty mockup.
I love the look of Pittree's mockup and it's very well made and professional looking, but I just can't imagine it being easy to use or comfortable in the detached 1 wiimote in each hand configuration. Honestly it doesn't look terribly comfortable in the attached configuration either. I think diagonal offsets are essentially needed for a dual analog control scheme.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Working on games.
Doesn't mean they have to show them all at this point in time.
-Pyromaniac-
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My assumption is that a lot of the quiet teams were making wii u games or 3ds games and have since shifted their development to NX since releasing on the wii u is a lost cause.
But yeah no way 2 separate platforms is going to happen for nintendo.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Like, I'm all for Nintendo waiting to reveal NX until this month or next, but if said unveiling isn't accompanied by a rather large number of software announcementss, then I'm having an extremely hard time grasping the point.
you think Nintendo's gonna keep the name NX?
Nintendo NX sounds fine, but I was wondering what other names they might pick. Nintendo X? Maybe a name that emphasises it's portability and tablet-like approach? Or maybe a name that has to do with being able to add/remove the control options?
Nintendo NX sounds fine, but I was wondering what other names they might pick. Nintendo X? Maybe a name that emphasises it's portability and tablet-like approach? Or maybe a name that has to do with being able to add/remove the control options?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No chance.
Yeah, I mean if it really is launching in march, that's only 6 months away. You'd think that would show a least a good chunk of launch window games. Otherwise yeah, what was the point of waiting so long to unveil?
Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
could be a part of the Wii line though i think it's somewhat unlikely
but i think they'll go with the wii "philosophy" of branding: simple, memorable, user friendly
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Jpop
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Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
I actually like that controller, it weird but cool.
Ok. Here we go my final mock up post from this thing. Thanks everyone for the input, particularly Refreshment.01 and skypunch. I tried to implement all ideas, but it is impossible to make everyone happy since some people like things other hate. It has been a lot of fun joining you guys in the effort to visualize all the leaks and ideas into one product. Hope you guys like it and see you all in the reveal!
Another great concept. But the IR placement does not make sense as your finger will be obscuring it most, if not all the time.
CrossXOver
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I find it very interesting that all of a sudden everyone has basically forgot Sharp is making a free form display for this console. Shouldn't that very important bit of information be incorporated into all of these fan made mocks? For that very reason i believe a lot of these designs being made by people are completely off the mark in many ways
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