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What the DEA's Plan to Schedule 1 Kratom Will Mean for Millions

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The DEA is planning to place the chemicals present in the ancient plant called kratom on the Schedule 1 Controlled Substances List at the end of this month. If that plan goes through, kratom will take a spot alongside drugs like heroin, MDMA and LSD—substances labeled as having “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” Millions of people who drink a tea made from its leaves for a variety of reasons—from pain relief to depression—will abruptly lose a remedy they’ve come to rely on. And all of this is happening on an accelerated timeline that has those closest to the issue wondering how questions of efficacy and marginal evidence turned into an emergency drug scheduling with few if any precedents.

This isn’t a simple issue, and choosing which angles of the story to cover isn’t a simple decision. My fellow FORBES contributor David Kroll has done a fine job of touching on the pharmacology of kratom’s natural alkaloids (mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine) and several issues related to the DEA announcement, and I’m not going to retread that ground here. Rather, I think the perspective I can bring to the story of kratom is as someone who hadn’t planned to cover it, but ended up with a parade-side view of events leading up to the latest.

First some quick background: I started investigating kratom about four years ago, though my original intention wasn’t to cover it at all. I was researching the burgeoning synthetic drugs (loosely called “bath salts” at the time) and happened upon Mitragyna speciosa, better known as kratom. My first article on FORBES about the plant questioned if kratom deserved to be placed in the same light as bath salts, despite its chemical differences with the dangerous synthetics.

The piece was widely read and prompted a wave of feedback. The most critical commenters and emailers said I was conflating kratom alkaloids with synthetics and didn’t have enough information to make grounded assertions. What struck me most about the reaction wasn’t the specific criticisms, but a sense of passionate clear-thinking from the small army of responders. So I decided to take them seriously and accept their implicit (in some cases explicit) challenge: try kratom for myself and then make a judgement.

My follow-up article on FORBES announced I’d be doing just that, and the experiment was on. After a month or so, I posted my findings on my personal website. It’s by far the most read post on my site and garnered more comments than anything I’ve written even for major pubs. What I didn’t realize at the time was that my little public experiment would provide a close perspective on the evolving kratom story for the next three years leading up to the latest events.

My perspective on that story is that it roughly breaks out into three components: a rush to judgement based on poorly understood information, the marketing and selling of certain kratom products, and public health policy that at times seems fueled more by hysteria than facts. A fourth and related component, though harder to flesh out, is a case of conflicting interests.

The rush to judgement sets the tone for the rest of the story, and it begins with fear about an altogether different group of substances. The synthetic drug explosion in this country is a severe and growing problem, as documented here and elsewhere. From the early days of bath salts to the more recent spread of drugs like flakka, officials trying to corral the problem are facing a nimble overseas industry of unscrupulous chemists always seeming a couple moves ahead. Recent estimates suggest that more than 150,000 synthetic labs in China alone are pumping out new drugs for the world market. No sooner is a synthetic compound identified and banned than another takes its place. It’s a nightmarish game of whack-a-mole. State after state has introduced legislation banning the known synthetics in an attempt to at least cut off part of the supply. But those well-intentioned efforts also opened the door for factions with a larger agenda to squeeze other substances into the ban lists, kratom alkaloids among them.

Unless you know what you’re looking for (and, understandably, most state legislators do not), names of synthetic and natural chemicals are indistinguishable. Mitragynine wouldn’t jump out to someone as a natural alkaloid unless they’re also provided with balanced background information, so supporters of kratom, like the American Kratom Association, launched state education campaigns to clarify what often appears to be intentionally unclear.

A handful of states banned kratom (Tennessee, Alabama and Arkansas among them), while others decided against banning once the issues were clarified. Some have considered and tabled questions about kratom for future votes. This is largely immaterial now, if the DEA’s plan to schedule 1 goes through, but it’s worth considering as history leading to where we are. The main point is that all the way through, the issues surrounding kratom and its alkaloids haven’t been clear. Education was necessary to thwart a rush to judgement. Research and testimonies showing benefits of kratom had to be brought to light, along with the negatives the pro-ban faction positioned as the only story worth knowing.

At the same time, the harm caused by synthetics sparked a media frenzy, with name after name of dangerous drugs tossed out to the public. It’s not hard to see how kratom was pulled into the frenzy without thoughtful regard for important distinctions that set it well apart from any of the other substances discussed.

The fact that many people have used kratom to withdraw from opioids muddies the waters further. The testimonials from people who were, without hyperbole, dying on everything from heroin to oxycodone and then found a way out of their hell through kratom are legion online. Some of the most moving emails after I posted the results of my experiment came from people close to giving up hope in their battle against opioids, but then came across kratom and suddenly saw new light to reclaim their lives. Many of them were suffering from chronic pain and discovered in kratom relief without committing themselves to life-long pain med dependencies. These are anecdotal stories, but having read many of them I don’t doubt their sincerity or veracity. More than once was I told, “It saved my life.”

And there’s solid research to support what these people experienced. As one recent example, a study published in the Journal of the American Chemical Society explored specific mechanisms that seem to make kratom alkaloids effective for pain management—the trigger that causes a large percentage of opioid addiction—though it’s not an opioid. These are illuminating findings, yet they’re being bulldozed under a mountain of misinformation.

One of the greatest tragedies of the DEA’s plan is that a significant community of people using kratom to climb out of the hell of opioid addiction may again fall prey to the same substances that were killing them. And many who might have avoided getting hooked on pain meds will lose a viable alternative. I won’t spend time exploring the opioid epidemic here (there’s news on that every day of the week), but it’s worth wondering aloud whether banning an herbal substance that was helping a significant number of former opioid addicts—and could help prevent future cases of addiction—will worsen what’s already a horrific problem.

Another large segment of kratom users suffered from debilitating depression and anxiety and found in the plant a way to gain an edge on those demons that prescription meds and other remedies didn’t provide. Some of them were dependent on benzodiazepines like Xanax (the addiction profiles of which are well-documented and alarming) and were simply looking for a better way to address the problem. Again, I heard from people in this group after my articles were published and their stories were often detailed and moving.

Collectively, what these testimonials, along with the research, represent is a balance lacking in the latest phase of the debate, a debate on the brink of being stymied.

Kratom is an extremely old plant with a large following both in this country and overseas, and yet relatively little is known about how or why it works. The meaningful research into its alkaloids, like the study I mentioned, is relatively new. Much more research should be conducted so that the potential of this plant to address the problems like those I’ve mentioned in this article can be better understood. But just as we saw happen with marijuana before states began legalizing it, the prospects for research will dwindle under a schedule 1 listing. Even now marijuana research is limited because the DEA refuses to take it off the list, and kratom will suffer the same fate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddi...1-kratom-will-mean-for-millions/#20a1b31872a9

I'm the one that falls into the camp of using it for anxiety/depression and I really do not know what I will do if it gets banned.
 
I hope to eventually see candidates for office in the House, Senate, and Presidency run with the promise of shutting down the DEA. Unlike the Departments of Education and Energy (that the GOP loves to hate) the DEA is actually a perfect example of government waste and overreach.
 

Wereroku

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddi...1-kratom-will-mean-for-millions/#20a1b31872a9

I'm the one that falls into the camp of using it for anxiety/depression and I really do not know what I will do if it gets banned.
Using a drug like this with uncontrolled doses to help your anxiety seems a little risky anyway. Did traditional medication not work for you? So probably this ban had to do with the fact that it triggers the same opiate receptors as heroin right?

I hope to eventually see candidates for office in the House, Senate, and Presidency run with the promise of shutting down the DEA. Unlike the Departments of Education and Energy (that the GOP loves to hate) the DEA is actually a perfect example of government waste and overreach.

I mean their whole purpose is to control psychoactive chemicals like this one. The problem is that they are to heavy handed and disallow research on these drugs.
 

YoungFa

Member
I always wonder how so many people in a country can rely on such heavy medication, while others in other countries with similar conditions seem to not be worse off without such drugs.
 

Malvolio

Member
If you can have it without a prescription and it's not addictive, how can big pharma profit from you? Sorry...banned.
 

Wereroku

Member
If you can have it without a prescription and it's not addictive, how can big pharma profit from you? Sorry...banned.

It's apparently very addictive and has heavy withdrawal symptoms. So yes it's better then Heroin but it sounds pretty serious on it's own.
 

Davey Cakes

Member
Sounds a hell of lot similar to marijuana, if we're talking about misinformation leading to early and poor judgment about the plant and the substances held within.

It's infuriating that legitimate alternatives to prescription meds (including the addictive ones) are being treated like this. It's all in big pharma's interest.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
From the DEA:

Kratom is abused for its ability to produce opioid-like effects and is often marketed as a legal alternative to controlled substances. Law enforcement nationwide has seized more kratom in the first half of 2016 than any previous year and easily accounts for millions of dosages intended for the recreational market, according to DEA findings. In addition, kratom has a high potential for abuse, has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and has a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. These three factors constitute a Schedule I controlled substance according to the Controlled Substances Act passed by Congress in 1970.
. . .

The American Association of Poison Control Centers identified two exposures to kratom from 2000 and 2005. Between 2010 and 2015, U.S. poison centers received 660 calls related to kratom exposure. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) found that kratom abuse leads to agitation, irritability, tachycardia, nausea, drowsiness, and hypertension. Health risks found in kratom abusers include hepatotoxicity, psychosis, seizure, weight loss, insomnia, tachycardia, vomiting, poor concentration, hallucinations, and death. DEA is aware of 15 kratom-related deaths between 2014 and 2016.
 

Crayons

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From what I read in this case the drug is actually pretty dangerous so I don't really see how they are oppressing anyone on this one.

DEA is aware of 15 kratom-related deaths between 2014 and 2016
What they won't mention is the other drugs people had in their system when they died!

Oh, you were doing heroin, xanax, and kratom and died? The evil kratom takes another young, innocent life!

The reason kratom is being put on schedule 1 is because as a natural painkiller, it threatens the profit margins of big pharma by a LOT. They make a killing on opiate painkillers. That's why they funnel money into anti-medical marijuana groups, and why they used their influence in the DEA to put kratom on schedule 1.

#staywoke
 

bengraven

Member
My wife used it for several years due to chronic back pain. It wasn't addictive, it didn't over-medicate her.

It was a pain in itself to try and get a reliable supply since most dealers had started to become scared and would close down - and this was nearly 5 years ago already since she was normally using.
 

Khoryos

Member
I mean their whole purpose is to control psychoactive chemicals like this one. The problem is that they are to heavy handed and disallow research on these drugs.

Really? Because it seems like their whole purpose ought to be to prevent crime and protect the public.
 

Wereroku

Member
What they won't mention is the other drugs people had in their system when they died!

Oh, you were doing heroin, xanax, and kratom and died? The evil kratom takes another young, innocent life!

The reason kratom is being put on schedule 1 is because as a natural painkiller, it threatens the profit margins of big pharma by a LOT. They make a killing on opiate painkillers. That's why they funnel money into anti-medical marijuana groups, and why they used their influence in the DEA to put kratom on schedule 1.

#staywoke

Be careful I hear chemtrails are dumping opiates on us as well. This has little to do with big pharma and more to do with the fact that kratom appears to be highly addictive with some serious side effects. While this article tried to suggest it was a mild painkiller with few downsides. Something like this can't be unregulated because it is dangerous the fact that it has killed people when it was being used relatively little until recently suggests it could get worse if nothing is done about it.

Really? Because it seems like their whole purpose ought to be to prevent crime and protect the public.

Well I mean this has killed people so they are protecting the public i guess.
 
This has little to do with big pharma and more to do with the fact that kratom appears to be highly addictive with some serious side effects. While this article tried to suggest it was a mild painkiller with few downsides. Something like this can't be unregulated because it is dangerous the fact that it has killed people when it was being used relatively little until recently suggests it could get worse if nothing is done about it.

Which means that they should request studies on it before moving ahead. Throwing it straight into sched 1 would only make sense if its consumption were spreading like an epidemic.
 

Wereroku

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Which means that they should request studies on it before moving ahead. Throwing it straight into sched 1 would only make sense if its consumption were spreading like an epidemic.

Well I mean they went from 1 poison control call to 600. A 600% increase tends to be considered an epidemic. They are handling this now since it has become a problem. Straight to schedule 1 is a problem but trying to suggest this is a completely safe drug is also a problem.

Schedule 1 shouldn't exist. How is "no research allowed ever" supposed to be a good law?

Well it makes sense for some drugs like Heroin which has no medical uses that Morphine couldn't handle in a safer way. But them jumping straight to schedule 1 is a problem and has to do with the political nature of the group.
 

Khoryos

Member
Well I mean they went from 1 poison control call to 600. A 600% increase tends to be considered an epidemic. They are handling this now since it has become a problem. Straight to schedule 1 is a problem but trying to suggest this is a completely safe drug is also a problem.



Well it makes sense for some drugs like Heroin which has no medical uses that Morphine couldn't handle in a safer way. But them jumping straight to schedule 1 is a problem and has to do with the political nature of the group.

How many calls do you think posion control gets for aspirin in a five year period? And I'm fairly sure they get more than fifteen ODs on it in two years, too.
 
It amazes me how corrupt this country is. If we ever fix our government, reform alone isn't good enough to me. People need to be punished. People need to suffer . Some of these government organizations like the DEA and FBI along with some of these billion dollar corporations are legit super villains and it won't be fair if they don't at least loose their lives of something. A reasonable punishment for fucking up the world right?
 

Wereroku

Member
How many calls do you think posion control gets for aspirin in a five year period? And I'm fairly sure they get more than fifteen ODs on it in two years, too.

Yes and it is regulated and is covered in warning about what to do in the event of a problem. Most people are buying this from a head shop probably and maybe googling side effects before hand. Even if they weren't banning this completely being so close to an opiate it would need to be regulated regardless which means getting rid of the tea since that causes uncontrolled doses and proper labeling.

It amazes me how corrupt this country is. If we ever fix our government, reform alone isn't good enough to me. People need to be punished. People need to suffer . Some of these government organizations like the DEA and FBI along with some of these billion dollar corporations are legit super villains and it won't be fair if they don't at least loose their lives of something. A reasonable punishment for fucking up the world right?

You sound like you should be on one of those conspiracy theory shows with this statement.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
It amazes me how corrupt this country is. If we ever fix our government, reform alone isn't good enough to me. People need to be punished. People need to suffer . Some of these government organizations like the DEA and FBI along with some of these billion dollar corporations are legit super villains and it won't be fair if they don't at least loose their lives of something. A reasonable punishment for fucking up the world right?

Well aren't you a well-adjusted and level-headed individual.
 

Khoryos

Member
Even if they weren't banning this completely being so close to an opiate it would need to be regulated regardless which means getting rid of the tea since that causes uncontrolled doses and proper labeling.

How are you defining "Close to an opiate" here?
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
Schedule 1 shouldn't exist. How is "no research allowed ever" supposed to be a good law?

This. Pushing this to schedule 1 just kills any hope of studies being done to determine this drug's potential benefits. As hysterical as we'd like to get about whatever harm the drug as done, we need to remember that there's an endless amount of legal substances that cause far more harm when abused, yet we don't seem to concern ourselves with them. Why? Because they've been deemed safe by the DEA and pharmaceutical companies?

Anyone who is denying that lobby interests have influence on the DEA's heavy-handedness is delusional. The whole "let's not say the drug is completely harmless" bit is a weak distraction. Cheeseburgers aren't completely harmless. Prescribed opiates are incredibly addictive and harmful. Let's not apply that logic only to bad, scary things the DEA hasn't signed off on yet.

This would just create criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens overnight. It's a joke. In the country that has a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other nation on earth, we could do without more laws that target people for putting things in their bodies in the hopes that said things will make them feel better.

Well aren't you a well-adjusted and level-headed individual.

So, the war on drugs, incarceration rates and police brutality (all these things are connected) are nothing more than unintended consequences of good people just trying their best?

You don't think anybody involved in perpetuating these unmitigated disasters is worthy of some form of punishment? You don't think a donation of $500,000 to a state's anti-marijuana-legalization campaign coming from a pharmaceutical company that pushes goddamn fentanyl is a little bit outrageous? You think shit like that happens out of genuine concern for the well-being of society? Nah, it's flat out malicious and hurtful.

The system is fucked from top to bottom. It was designed fucked and they maintain the fuckness despite the clear harm it causes millions of Americans. If the people who perpetuate these conditions don't deserve some form of punishment, they at least deserve the most severe form of contempt.
 

Glix

Member
What they won't mention is the other drugs people had in their system when they died!

Oh, you were doing heroin, xanax, and kratom and died? The evil kratom takes another young, innocent life!

The reason kratom is being put on schedule 1 is because as a natural painkiller, it threatens the profit margins of big pharma by a LOT. They make a killing on opiate painkillers. That's why they funnel money into anti-medical marijuana groups, and why they used their influence in the DEA to put kratom on schedule 1.

#staywoke

In more ways than one, unfortunately.
 
Using a drug like this with uncontrolled doses to help your anxiety seems a little risky anyway. Did traditional medication not work for you? So probably this ban had to do with the fact that it triggers the same opiate receptors as heroin right?



I mean their whole purpose is to control psychoactive chemicals like this one. The problem is that they are to heavy handed and disallow research on these drugs.

Not trying to be rude but are you even aware of what is normally prescribed for anxiety / depression? Prozac, Xanax, Klonopin, etc... all have horrible side effects and addiction potential.

Kratom has never shown to be the cause of any deaths nor shown to be anywhere near as dangerous in addictive properties as benzos (Xanax, Klon, etc...).

I'm sorry but its ignorance of basic medicine like this that perpetuates people letting the DEA rampage all over civil liberties in regards to self-medication.

It amazes me how corrupt this country is. If we ever fix our government, reform alone isn't good enough to me. People need to be punished. People need to suffer . Some of these government organizations like the DEA and FBI along with some of these billion dollar corporations are legit super villains and it won't be fair if they don't at least loose their lives of something. A reasonable punishment for fucking up the world right?

Well aren't you a well-adjusted and level-headed individual.

He's not wrong.

Those organizations are responsible for countless deaths, families broken, and people imprisoned. It's fact.
 
Well I mean they went from 1 poison control call to 600. A 600% increase tends to be considered an epidemic.

Over 5 years? I seriously doubt that.

For comparison, here's the increase x timespan that the ebola epidemic represented
750px-2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Epidemic_-_New_Cases_per_Week.svg.png

The 2003 sars epidemic also was much more pronounced than that.

But then, we agree that sched 1 is shite and that it should be subjected to some degree of regulation, so all that's left is to argue about what constitutes an epidemic. Which strikes me as a bit droll
 

Dedede

Neo Member
It seems to use many of the opiate receptors which is why it can be used by some as an opiate substitute. It also has many of the same withdrawal symptoms.

Some studies have found the pharmacology is a bit different; kratom alkaloids still hit the u-opioid receptors, but activate beta-arrestin (a protein implicated in a lot of the side effects, like respiratory depression) less than classic opioids like morphine.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jacs.6b00360

And synthetic molecules designed to have similar activity show promising results as well:

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-drug-mimics-opioids-20160817-snap-story.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v537/n7619/full/nature19112.html

I don't work in pharma or biochemical research, but I imagine the burden of getting a Schedule I license would make it much harder to do this kind of work with kratom. It's unfortunate, and I hope, at the very least, there's a movement to relax research restrictions on Schedule I drugs.
 

Wereroku

Member
Not trying to be rude but are you even aware of what is normally prescribed for anxiety / depression? Prozac, Xanax, Klonopin, etc... all have horrible side effects and addiction potential.

Kratom has never shown to be the cause of any deaths nor shown to be anywhere near as dangerous in addictive properties as benzos (Xanax, Klon, etc...).

I'm sorry but its ignorance of basic medicine like this that perpetuates people letting the DEA rampage all over civil liberties in regards to self-medication.

Why did you immediately go to Benzos? Those are only supposed to be used to treat people with acute panic attacks. Generalized Anxiety has a lot more medications that are significantly safer then Kratom. That is why I was asking. I do have some familiarity with anxiety since my wife is currently being treated for it.
 
Be careful I hear chemtrails are dumping opiates on us as well. This has little to do with big pharma and more to do with the fact that kratom appears to be highly addictive with some serious side effects. While this article tried to suggest it was a mild painkiller with few downsides. Something like this can't be unregulated because it is dangerous the fact that it has killed people when it was being used relatively little until recently suggests it could get worse if nothing is done about it.



Well I mean this has killed people so they are protecting the public i guess.

It makes me sad to see this sort of ignorance spewed on GAF. For fuck's sake, man, do just a little bit of research beyond the DEA's statement justifying the ban.

It's not killing people. For all of the deaths referenced in the DEA's statement, the mechanism of death was caused by respiratory suppression brought about by other opioids in the system or by some other combination of drugs taken. This is not a substance that can bring about overdose or respiratory suppression in and of itself. Not to mention the fact that this is not a new substance - people in other parts of the world have been using it for hundreds of years. It has mild effects at virtually any dose and is closely related to the plant that gives us coffee. Hundreds of thousands of people use it without incident on a daily basis: thousands of veterans manage PTSD symptoms with it; chronic pain sufferers use it to avoid opioid addiction and the risk of respiratory suppression and liver damage incident to that; the list goes on.

Please, before you hop on the defense force for something you clearly know very little about, spend a little time educating yourself.
 

Wereroku

Member
It makes me sad to see this sort of ignorance spewed on GAF. For fuck's sake, man, do just a little bit of research beyond the DEA's statement justifying the ban.

It's not killing people. For all of the deaths referenced in the DEA's statement, the mechanism of death was caused by respiratory suppression brought about by other opioids in the system or by some other combination of drugs taken. This is not a substance that can bring about overdose or respiratory suppression in and of itself. Not to mention the fact that this is not a new substance - people in other parts of the world have been using it for hundreds of years. It has mild effects at virtually any dose and is closely related to the plant that gives us coffee. Hundreds of thousands of people use it without incident on a daily basis: thousands of veterans manage PTSD symptoms with it; chronic pain sufferers use it to avoid opioid addiction and the risk of respiratory suppression and liver damage incident to that; the list goes on.

Please, before you hop on the defense force for something you clearly know very little about, spend a little time educating yourself.

I have been trying to but it seem like if you suggest it is a drug that needs regulating you are a pawn of the DEA. Sorry that I think it needs to be regulated but it is an active chemical that can be dangerous and should be proscribed like normal medication. Making tea out of it or buying it in the form of herbal supplements means your doses could be wildly different every single time you use it. And sorry trials have shown it does have severe side effects and is addictive. Something like that can't just be unregulated.
 

FStop7

Banned
I don't trust the DEA, at all. Weed's recreationally legalized in four states with more coming and the DEA is refusing to remove it from Schedule 1. That is in-SANE when you stop and think about what it means. The DEA is wildly out of touch and their draconian policies are making them completely irrelevant as an enforcement agency. They lost their credibility.
 
Yes and it is regulated and is covered in warning about what to do in the event of a problem. Most people are buying this from a head shop probably and maybe googling side effects before hand. Even if they weren't banning this completely being so close to an opiate it would need to be regulated regardless which means getting rid of the tea since that causes uncontrolled doses and proper labeling.



You sound like you should be on one of those conspiracy theory shows with this statement.
So..... the rich aren't ruining the world while giving zeroes fucks because they are making money? So the rich aren't responsible for turning poor whites on blacks in order to decrease the chance of a class rebellion(Jim Crow)? So.... the rich aren't responsible for making the prison industrial complex a thing? So the rich aren't the one downplaying climate change because they want to sell oil? So the rich are the ones trying to block gun control because they don't want to make less money? So the rich aren't responsible for getting drugs banned for business reasons and not health reasons?

Bahaha truth is stranger than fiction.
Well aren't you a well-adjusted and level-headed individual.
Negro + America = vindictive and bitterness. Not my fault.
 
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