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[Veritigo_X]

You raise your eyebrow in the same way you raise your eyebrow at console gamers who act like console warriors, and who paint PC gamers or gamers on a competing console "Racists".

Or do you raise your eyebrow at "PC master Race" people in the same way you'd raise your eyebrows at racists?

I mean, these are people that post on 4chan and use the term "master race" despite the history with that term so probably the latter.

I'm shaking my head at the former. Bringing up racism as a comparison to people's video game purchases is dumb as shit and trivializes real problems in this country. Pachter and those agreeing with him should know better.

 

[GhostTrick]

So playing on PC makes you a racist :")

 

[Wandering Robot]

My opinion of Pachter isn't high, but lol. Hopelessly stupid thing to say.
Though, it has provided this thread and all its "illuminations."

 

[Jonneh3003]

Pachter's comparison is that he hates PC gamers in the same way he hates Racists. I don't see how the actions are even that similar outside of the PCMR meme.

Get the idea out of your head that "black people can be racist". That's why there are words like "bigot, prejudiced".

It's honestly offensive. Educate yourself on the idea of systemic racism before talking about extreme examples.

The fact is, racism and prejudice are 2 different things. If you've ever felt "racism" from a black person, you should perhaps use this opportunity to do some research on things like "white privilege". It's a hot topic these days.

I don't want to get involved in this discussion much further but I'm not sure it's entirely correct to say a black person can't be racist. Racism is just believing one race is inferior to another. Individuals are the ones responsible for racism regardless of where they're from in my opinion.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

so PC gamers probably vote for Trump

building my Trump PC Tower just in time for Nov

 

[Armaros]

My opinion of Pachter isn't high, but lol. Hopelessly stupid thing to say.
Though, it has provided this thread and all its "illuminations."

As someone said earlier, a great place to fill your ignore box.

 

[The Hermit]

No words


Hey guy, remember when PC had console slaves?

 

[DrBretto]

I don't know why you'd assume that. When I think 'the average gamer on the internet' I'm certainly not thinking about GAFfers. I've seen just about the dumbest people that all sorts of communities could muster, spewing their shit. For over fifteen years I've been seeing that shit. Now I'm in a GAF bubble because I've been posting here for the last two years? As though when I mention 'gamers', I couldn't possibly be talking about anyone but 'GAF's gamers'?

No, I've seen the worst that gamers have to offer and I'm still not convinced that they're one of the worst online communities on the planet. People, especially young people, are just shitty people online, and you can see this reflected anywhere where they're allowed anonymity and freedom to shitpost.

A) Next time, say that, not the drive-by shit post, and maybe we could have a conversation.

B) I continue to disagree, but that's what's wonderful about opinions. I can have mine and you can have yours.

I disagree. From my experience, it's worse with gamers, and it's a different kind of vile. I don't discount the existence of shitty people in other avenues as well.

 

[joms5]

That's called elitism, not racism

I think that elitism naturally comes from all the misconceptions of PC gaming in general though.

You know how many times i've heard someone say, "eww I can't play PC games. I like playing on a big TV and not hunched over a keyboard and mouse looking at a tiny monitor."

It's times like those where I have to explain to stupid people that you can do that with a PC too. And that's just one of many things that may lead to an angry almost elitist tone.

It's almost as if people have brushed PC off as a viable platform and only try to find the mistakes/inconsistencies with it, so as to make their gaming choice the better choice.

 

[L Thammy]

Has anyone posted Crusader Kings reviews yet?

 

[moltonasty]

So in Pachter's world you can't own a PC and consoles simultaneously....got it

 

[erlim]

That's one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard about gaming.

Also, "their" not "there."

Yeah this bothered me most. How does that get by an editor?

 

[cartographer]

I hope I don't need to spend the next few pages explaining what this means. "it's the same both ways, just like racism". Black people can be racist, white people can be racist. Console gamers can be closed minded, PC gamers can be closed minded.

Anyone else want highlight that sentence out of context?

I don't think you meant anything by this and others have said something along the same lines, but prejudice is not the same as racism, which is structural and systemic.

 

[Compsiox]

Wow. Talk about generalization.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I think using the term "like racists" might be a bit vitriolic and as usual it's "not all PC Gamers", but some of the more elitist ones can be quite a bit out there with their opinions.

 

[GhostTrick]

You tell me.

Definitely gif of the day <3

I think using the term "like racists" might be a bit vitriolic and as usual it's "not all PC Gamers", but some of the more elitist ones can be quite a bit out there with their opinions.

The comparison is insulting in both ways. First, how can you claim all the people are this way ? Second, and most importantly, racism is an important matter. And yeah, this comparison is insulting when you had to deal with racism before.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

A) Next time, say that, not the drive-by shit post, and maybe we could have a conversation.

B) I continue to disagree, but that's what's wonderful about opinions. I can have mine and you can have yours.

I disagree. From my experience, it's worse with gamers, and it's a different kind of vile. I don't discount the existence of shitty people in other avenues as well.

You're ridiculously condescending for someone who's posting at a Gamefaqs level.

 

[M.J. Doja]

For me it is not racist but more like egoist. PC gamers wants everything on PC, not allowing console exclusives. Plus because they love gimmicks (4K, 144hz, ultra settings) so yeah.

Paid games? Bad. Free game? 10/10. (This just happened before in my circles about in Ryse and The Crew which recently free on PC)

Sometimes I even hate myself.

I guess there's some racist rhetoric that could apply to this:

If everybody was a PC gamer, there would be no need for exclusives. There would be no discrimination, everybody would be the best. Games would be cheaper since everybody could devote themselves to one platform. The world would be a better place if everybody was a PC gamer.

Something like how you can blame immigrants and minorities for society's problems (Trump, Hitler) and so by eliminating them, society is great and perfect.

 

[Shredderi]

That's quite a jump. #NotAllPcGamers I guess...

 

[Abilidebob]

For me it is not racist but more like egoist. PC gamers wants everything on PC, not allowing console exclusives. Plus because they love gimmicks (4K, 144hz, ultra settings) so yeah.

Paid games? Bad. Free game? 10/10. (This just happened before in my circles about in Ryse and The Crew which recently free on PC)

Sometimes I even hate myself.

How is it egoism? Isn't wanting a game to be out on more platforms the opposite of egoism? You "lose" an exclusive, but not the game.

Paid games? Bad. Free game? 10/10.

What does that even mean?

 

[Kintaro]

Can we ban Michael at this point? No one takes him seriously anymore and comments like this should be met with complete disdain.

 

[Atraveller]

Can we ban Michael at this point? No one takes him seriously anymore and comments like this should be met with complete disdain.

Reinstate the CliffyB rule.

 

[KageMaru]

People have preferences, that is in no way similar to someone with an ignorant and hate-fueled view of the world.

You'll have fanboys for every platform, PC included, but even they aren't close to comparison to racist people.

 

[BobLoblaw]

So dumb. I was a console gamer for 20+ years and moved on to PCs. How the fuck would that make me anything like a racist? I enjoy better graphics, mods, infinite backwards compatibility, and better sales. Kiss my ass Pachter. I'm living the dream.

 

[FyreWulff]

well, they do uncomfortably use white supremacist slogans as a badge of honor, so maybe they could back off on that

 

[sense]

while he is over exaggerating, i do think that the majority of gamers on pc do like to show off they have a better machine and it is a degrading experience to play on consoles

 

[Jonneh3003]

I don't think you meant anything by this and others have said something along the same lines, but prejudice is not the same as racism, which is structural and systemic.

Ok I don't think I'm educated enough on the subject to talk anymore about it but thanks for clearing that up, time to leave the thread I think!

 

[Huge Succeeded]

well, they do uncomfortably use white supremacist slogans as a badge of honor, so maybe they could back off on that

who is 'they'?

 

[Corpekata]

I'm laughing at all the people that apparently have "friends" that are all awful people and constantly shitting on them for playing on console.

I guess friend sounds better than "that one mean comment I got on reddit" for your "he's not really wrong" point.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Racists = Nazis

NeoGAF's Durante = PC Gaming's Trump
NeoGAF's Dennis = PC Gaming's Pepe the Frog

 

[MuchoMalo]

This has to be one of those outlandish statements made solely to get attention.

 

[GhostTrick]

while he is over exaggerating, i do think that the majority of gamers on pc do like to show off they have a better machine and it is a degrading experience to play on consoles

Then again, that's not a thing exclusive to PC. That's litterally a thing for any fanbase, hence why the console war thing. Heck, there's a reason beyond tech comprehension that technical or graphical analysis are popular.

 

[M.J. Doja]

I don't want to get involved in this discussion much further but I'm not sure it's entirely correct to say a black person can't be racist. Racism is just believing one race is inferior to another. Individuals are the ones responsible for racism regardless of where they're from in my opinion.

Its not a discussion, it's just ignorant to use the same word to apply to black people when racism is not "just believing one race is inferior". Don't use textbook definitions when these words have many different real life examples actually mean something to their experience. I don't even want to ask for examples because whoever you know that is black that tells you "white people are inferior" is an idiot who is making a racist statement. That doesn't mean you as a white person have experienced racism.

White -> Black Racism =! Black -> White Racism -- The equation is more complex, no matter what your perception is.

Ok I don't think I'm educated enough on the subject to talk anymore about it but thanks for clearing that up, time to leave the thread I think!

Appreciate you not getting defensive though. It's a touchy, but worthwhile subject. Just trying to share some insight, no attacks intended.

 

[donutzsick]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowd is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

 

[gafneo]

So true, they think low powered tech like 900p is the wost sin one could ever commit. They will most likely take the racist remark to heart, thinking it's litteral.

 

[Widge]

People have preferences.

This is true, but what I have noted, in threads weighing up where someone isn't sure whether to go for console or PC, the PC advocates spend a great deal of time either dismissing preferences, situation, needs and wants, and will go out of the way to validate why, on every single level, PC is the absolute best platform with no room for discussion.

 

[Tecnniqe]

so PC gamers probably vote for Trump

 

[NegativeCero]

Yup, because no one who games on PC owns a console or anything. Pachter should stick to his sales data analysis because making generalizations like this makes him look dumb.

 

[Atraveller]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowed is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

For my sanity, I'm going to assume this is sarcasm.

 

[CrazE]

Right on. Good for Pach. Like others in the free country, he can say and do what he likes. Nobody has to like it if they don't want, and others can have a chuckle at his statements if they want.

 

[DrBretto]

You came into his with no intention of listening to anyone.

You write off everything with your personal anecdotes. This is pointless, the other poster said it best, no point in conitinuing.

Didn't say that either. I listened to your rebuttal and disagreed.

It's funny, because the two of you are the ones who are taking my post and trying to assert your opinions over mine. There are many people here that I disagree with. In this thread and in many others. But I don't quote each one of them and try to start an argument over it. People have different perspectives. Not everything is meant to be an argument in the first place.

You quoted me, offered a counter opinion. I read it and disagreed. Which is fine, I don't hold anyone else's opinions on this matter against them either. I came here to offer my impression. Mission accomplished. It's all good.

 

[Abilidebob]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowed is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

I can find Usenet posts from 1994 where people keep discussing with each other over their console's games differences and graphical qualities. Please don't drop to Pachter's level.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowd is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

Keep telling yourself that lol. That's such a ridiculous conclusion to make that I refuse to believe it's even grounded in a thought. I almost just think you said it just to see what that string of words would look like grouped together on a screen like that lol.

FYI, if you don't recall, gaming discussions were beginning to 'overflow with res/framerate talks' quite some time before PC gaming really regained prominence.

and why do people keep pretending like discussion about game mechanics and what makes a quality game... just don't happen? Like, please, if you've got to support your argument somehow, start with something that's grounded in reality

This is true, but what I have noted, in threads weighing up where someone isn't sure whether to go for console or PC, the PC advocates spend a great deal of time either dismissing preferences, situation, needs and wants, and will go out of the way to validate why, on every single level, PC is the absolute best platform with no room for discussion.

Something tells me you didn't visit GAF much after the PS4 came out

 

[davonaytor]

"Like Racists". I don't think Pachter knows what racism is. I have no respect for this dude.

 

[joms5]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowd is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

No bias there.

This is the reason why PC elitism exists. Because of people like you.

See I care about things that determine a quality game. But when those are all perfect or when those all go to shit, I like to know that I'm playing the definitive version of the game, so I will look into what has the better frame rate or resolution.

It doesn't have to just be one or the other. Good lord.

 

[Lashley]

I don't know a single pc gamer who only has a pc

but yeah, unlike human races, some pcs are more powerful than consoles, no shit

Yep, same here. I own an xbox as well as a PC, another friend has a PS4 with his PC.

Mid-Higher end PC's are more powerful that consoles atm, that's a fact. Not sure why people argue it, also not sure why people get offended? It's not a big deal.

 

[jroc74]

It was in our faces the whole time.

This is amazing.

 

[LCGeek]

I definitely agree with pachter. The pc gaming crowd is so annoying to see go on and on. They are largely the reason gaming discussions are overflowing with resolution and frame rate talks with way less emphasis on game mechanics and other components that actually determine a quality game.

No we aren't. We keep most tinkering and performance related things to a performance topic for games and discuss games in plenty of nuanced fashions like other platforms do. The idea this doesn't happen is stupid and is betrayed by the steamplatform itself and the various guides.

Nice to see you like to believe in generalized bullshit. The bulk of pc gamers or console gamers aren't on forums talking about it ever. Once you do you should remind yourself of this stat and consider adjusting how you see yourself compared to most people who ever play games.

 

[EatinOlives]

I think he took the Master Race meme a liiiiitle bit too seriously.

(To be fair, some PC gamers do as well)

 

[KageMaru]

This is true, but what I have noted, in threads weighing up where someone isn't sure whether to go for console or PC, the PC advocates spend a great deal of time either dismissing preferences, situation, needs and wants, and will go out of the way to validate why, on every single level, PC is the absolute best platform with no room for discussion.

This is no different than any other group of platform warriors on GAF. Someone who is a fan boy is different than someone with preferences IMO.

PC people are no worse than Xbox or PlayStation warriors.