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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
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Yeah, that and what Palmer's peddling is the difference between "I disagree and your opinion is kinda nuts but to each their own" versus "you are the scum of the Earth." Man, hoping for some public denouncement from Oculus/Facebook soon.
WhiskeyKnight
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Dude, I don't think Trump would be good for the GOP or the country! I think he's a mentally unstable, narcissistic bully who will literally say anything to please whoever is standing in front of him that moment.
But I think its important to maintain some perspective and not instantly demonize anyone who supports him. Individuals' political views are messy and complicated, and just because you support Trump doesn't mean you are a "blind partisan." I've followed Palmer and the Oculus Rift for years and years at this point. Palmer strikes me as a libertarian who strongly believes in free markets, small government and meritocracy. Basically a mini version of Peter Thiel. These are views (which are actually quite widespread among the VC class in silicon valley) that will naturally steer a person toward Trump.
But they don't automatically make you a racist. If we want to surmont the ideological divide in this country and actually accomplish things as one nation, we have go to stop instantly demonizing the other side.
Already Torn
Banned
I wish those fucking Holocaust survivors would just stop comparing everyone to Hitler already. Stop Godwinning!
Yes it's absolutely awful that Muslims and Middle Easterners are already being profiled and pressured by our country, but of fucking course it is??? Electing Trump would ACTIVELY MAKE THIS PROBLEM WORSE.
You seem to keep trying to deflect the conversation to the "both sides" argument at all costs, regardless if it even makes sense in this context. Which it doesn't. Like, at all.
Hillary wants to help Wall Street. Wall Street is a bunch of white people with little inroads for minorities. Omg Hillary is a white supremacist. See how this (doesn't) work? Not everything that is not radical anarchy is white supremacy. White supremacy is when you think white people have a birthright to power, instead of it being historically grown. That's an important difference. It seems like you just want to tar and feather anyone who has conservative leanings, but it's the kind of escalation that will only end up getting yourself tarred and feathered at some point.
Again...you can support all those things without supporting a racist. If you support a racist just because he holds some of your other views...it means you're in fact ok with racism so long as you get what you want.
Enabling racism is as bad as being a racist.
EatinOlives
Member
"He's not racist, he's just supporting an open racist and having absolutely no problem supporting the open racist!" is really not the compelling argument in his defense you seem to think it is.
Receipts for any of this?
You are talking our of your ass And it doesntcHelp your position to make up bullshit to defend Trumpswhite supremacy.
The world is truly topsy-turvy.
Virtua Ben
Member
Crooked Clinton can't compete! His polices are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.
/sarcasm
On a real note, I wonder what the fallout will be for this. Will facebook intervene, or will this story just fizzle out? When it comes down to it, when you've got a big-wig job, you need to be EXTRA careful about your opinions. If he doesn't change his ways, he may be the next Kurt Schilling.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Might as well add that he believes climate change is a Chinese conspiracy. The argument that a Trump supporter can overlook the bad parts to further their interests is top shelf garbage. It isn't like he has come out with a shitty view on one or two issues.
You're right, people shouldn't instantly demonize Trump supporters. Many probably simply aren't informed enough to know the full extent of his confirmed policy positions and are simply voting against Clinton.
However, if you are fully aware of his policy positions, to the point where you're working with people from the Trump subreddit (a place rife with racism and bigotry) and you also date a very vocal racist...
It's hard not to come to the conclusion that Luckey is not only aware of Trumps more racist policies, but also completely supports them.
Even if he finds those policies icky, the fact that he's working with white supremacists in order to achieve whatever it is he wants to achieve is pretty damning.
Trump and his supporters haven't exactly been subtle about their white supremacist leanings. You guys are debating this like we're dealing with rational human beings, but these are people who criticize black/Mexican/Muslim/Jewish people using shitty memes and think spamming Reddit with astroturf troll accounts is campaigning.
enixbelmont
Member
I couldn't agree more with WhiskeyKnight.
I don't get how people can support trump, considering how often he seems to change his opinions and how little substance he has whenever he talks. But I hate this INSTANT calling of everyone as racist who is for Trump. Politics are more than on a personal level, and many people support Trump because of the exact kind of stuff WhiskeyKnight said.
I don't get how people can support trump, considering how often he seems to change his opinions and how little substance he has whenever he talks. But I hate this INSTANT calling of everyone as racist who is for Trump. Politics are more than on a personal level, and many people support Trump because of the exact kind of stuff WhiskeyKnight said.
FunkyMunkey
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Specialmias
Member
This story tried to come out before and it fizzled out. I'll bet nothing comes of this and it just fizzles out. Facebook is mostly involved now, Oculus and VR have lost their steam right now until touch comes out. This is going to disappear.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It makes you, at best, someone who is willing to overlook or enable racist and bigoted behavior, which is just as bad. I have zero problem demonizing anybody who would support Trump. That's where you and a I and a lot of people here seem to differ. Anybody who is willing to overlook the well being of minorities in order to support policies that are in their own financial best interest is a selfish asshole who deserves to be demonized.
And, for about the fourth or fifth time, please provide evidence of these supposed small government/free market ideas of Trump's that would lead someone like Palmer to support him?
SlipperyFishes
Banned
He is backing white supremacists to shitpost racist memes. That in itself is a problem.
A truly inspirational man.
I don't see a problem with any of this. What makes any of this white supremacist exactly?
The outrage culture here at NeoGAF is really out of hand lately.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Of course you don't. That requires critical thinking.
EatinOlives
Member
You're kidding yourself if you think someone looking the other way as they vote for an open bigot racist instantly absolves them of all criticism.
If you vote trump you're enabling racism. How hard is this to really understand. You CANNOT separate his racism from anything. Especially when many of his ideas (that goes for life and politics with trump) is steeped in it.
Enabling means you don't give a shit enough about your fellow man to not put a hate monster in office so long as it benefits you.
I wanted to post the Wikipedia link, but apparently there's a historical definition (mine) and a newer academic definition, which would consider any kind of conservatism to maintain status quo as white supremacy. I guess it means we're both right, but I don't agree with the latter obviously.
Again by the way, I don't mean to defend anything Trump, he's a shitface who deserves zero votes, and in fact that this is even still a race is a travesty. I just don't think conservatives are automatic white supremacists. I think that's watering down the term.
This is true. Many have given up on hiding and false pretenses and now openly say what they are. Especially on Twitter for a good while now.
And Storm Front looooooooooooooooooves Trump. I cannot emphasize love enough because they really do and they, and I quote, think "he is the closest anyone has gotten being the next Hitler."
So no, you don't and are just parroting the usual shit.
Alternative text:
"I'm only reading this one thing and am not looking any further than the strict definition of the words in that thing.
Also I am not understanding the context of who is involved or what they have done in the past and present
The critical thinking culture here at NeoGAF makes me uncomfortable because I don't like to be confronted with the reality of my beliefs.
"Dreamwriter
Member
Especially since he was obviously playing a character there for fun - he was 16 and not rich when Trump would have run last time, he doesn't have a private plane. It seems really obviously a take on the stereotypical super-rich-guy.
Maybe someone who is being funded by Luckey to shitpost in the internet? Everything is possible right now.
Heckler456
Banned
A white supremacist.
What skin would it have been off your back to just educate me on the matter, instead of treating me like I'm some terrible human being for not delving into literally every single topic related to this matter. I doubt everyone here is intimately aware with the things you've just said, so I ask again, why call me out on something that isn't that out of the ordinary to not know?
Also, I didn't say to "put away the term". I said I was ignorant of some facts, and closed my comment with "be careful with what you call people".
You don't need to do some Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon shit to get there with Trump. It's right there.
This is just spin to try and justify the 'both sides' narrative. There is no logical or reasonable way it works at all.
Either a Trump voter supports it, or ignores it because the treatment and future of many many people of different skin color or race doesn't matter to them or is less important than.....hell, I don't even know because none of Trump's few other 'policy' or plans seem any good or realistic either. Either way it is what it is.
When you become a member, I suggest making a thread in OT about the "outrage culture" here.
And he funded them with real money for fun as well?
You cannot support a candidate without supporting his main policies. That makes no sense.
As people have said, this election cycle isn't like most. We are talking about an open racist running for office. Being a racist isn't a political stance, it's called being a bad person.
And one of Trumps main pillars is racism. There's no way around it.
As people have said, this election cycle isn't like most. We are talking about an open racist running for office. Being a racist isn't a political stance, it's called being a bad person.
And one of Trumps main pillars is racism. There's no way around it.
Thank you Mr. Sockpuppet with 2 posts in the year since you joined.
Edit: What a waste of an alt account.
Ninja Scooter
Member
He even started dating a shithead bigot just to make it more authentic. Dudes method acting puts Daniel Day Lewis to shame.
Veritigo_X
Member
Yeah, it's totally normal to pretend to be a white nationalist online. When I do it I also add to the character by dating someone who feels that way, spending my money funding nationalist groups, and retweeting the same garbage on my public twitter account.
"lol hey guys I'm going to go trigger some GAFers lol watch this"
Even liking racially hateful Tweets for years, the dude is really dedicated to his craft.
Dreamwriter
Member
Actually, from what the article says, yes. He basically gave a tiny (for him) amount of money (under $10,000) to a group of people to make anti-Hillary memes.
You're right. This makes everything totally cool.
Specialmias
Member
And the ego
And they support the parities policies.
You dont vote just for the person you are voting for what that entire party stands for and their party platforms contrast eachother so deeply its crazy.
Even more so that bernie was able to have the party adopt some of his ideals in their official platform. Which is even greater than him just being president imo. So im voting for hilary and the Democratic parties policy.
This is the crux of it. He's running on a nationalist, racist platform. You can quibble around the edges, but if you are supporting the candidate, you are, broadly speaking, supportive of their platform.
I wasn't talking about Trump though. I would agree with you on that, I don't see how you can look past all that hideous shit, but we shouldn't rule out that some people can.
Edit: I can see if you take the post in isolation that it would seem like a 'both sides' story, but that wasn't at allll what is replying or even intending to. I was saying that it doesn't make sense to call everything having to do with status quo white supremacy, the example was a hyperbolic prolepsis, not an endorsement of Hillary being an actual supremacist.
BlastProcessing
Member
All politics are local. All politics are personal.
Just this week Trump said this:
How else are we supposed to react to someone who says that?
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