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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload

Nice job for N1.

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cabot

Member
So we had three candidates yesterday before Ynnek took a clear lead. Is there scum in there? Mazre was the weakest choice. AB I town read, but he was second.

Opinions?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
So we had three candidates yesterday before Ynnek took a clear lead. Is there scum in there? Mazre was the weakest choice. AB I town read, but he was second.

Opinions?

I want Verelios gone. Who tries to get a lynch train going on someone that can't defend themselves? Scum, that's who.

Also Kyan needs to speak up.
 

Verelios

Member
Nowhere near as scummy as you trying to use my mistake as a reason to lynch. You hadn't posted anything by fluff up until that point and all of a sudden you want to play Mafia?

How about this, guys - if we lynch Verelios today, and he turns out to be town, feel free to lynch me the next day. I'll even vote for myself first or last, wherever you like, if you think I'm some sort of lynch bomb.
Hey, hey, hey, very good. So I'm not allowed to get involved in the discussion unless I follow a certain order, haha, okay. The difference between posting fluff and posting relevant discussion, I don't need to point it out, you know if there was merit to my questioning. Trying to lead discussion away from your 'clarification', I also don't need to point it out, it's more than obvious from your replies.

As for your proposition, I also have no problem with it except the fact your neck wasn't put up for chopping. If you turn out to be town then hang me, behead me then turn me into meat. I'm not at all assured you won't try and 'clarify' your mistake away after I'm dead
 

cabot

Member
Sophia, you may be town but your indecisiveness is a scum flag would you agree?

Unfortunately you've done it before as town, so it is not definitive. But it clouds my read. I thought you had moved by this. Why were you so willing to show how unsure you were of your d1 lynch choice? Why didn't you own it?


What would have been your lynch choice if you decided who dies?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Hey, hey, hey, very good. So I'm not allowed to get involved in the discussion unless I follow a certain order, haha, okay. The difference between posting fluff and posting relevant discussion, I don't need to point it out, you know if there was merit to my questioning. Trying to lead discussion away from your 'clarification', I also don't need to point it out, it's more than obvious from your replies.

As for your proposition, I also have no problem with it except the fact your neck wasn't put up for chopping. If you turn out to be town then hang me, behead me then turn me into meat. I'm not at all assured you won't try and 'clarify' your mistake away after I'm dead

The words "opportunist" and "low-hanging fruit" spring to mind.
 

Ty4on

Member
Nowhere near as scummy as you trying to use my mistake as a reason to lynch. You hadn't posted anything by fluff up until that point and all of a sudden you want to play Mafia?

How about this, guys - if we lynch Verelios today, and he turns out to be town, feel free to lynch me the next day. I'll even vote for myself first or last, wherever you like, if you think I'm some sort of lynch bomb.
I... Don't understand your logic. If you're town it's obviously a bad idea to lynch you?
Hi.

Is cabot here ?
Do you make these on purpose?
 
So we had three candidates yesterday before Ynnek took a clear lead. Is there scum in there? Mazre was the weakest choice. AB I town read, but he was second.

Opinions?
My guess? Scum went after me. Ynnek was town. I know I am town. Best thing for Scum to do in a two-town split is kill the person who didn't get lynched and leave town (relatively) unfocused.

Posting while my train is stopped.
 

Verelios

Member
The words "opportunist" and "low-hanging fruit" spring to mind.
No one else who has been questioned day 1 responded with 'low hanging fruit' and opportunistic, so what does this say? You're the only one who's a baiter?

Let's take a step back and say you 'purposely' planted those posts, what kind of discussion were you hoping for besides a gotcha moment?

Yeah, I thought so. More than low hanging fruit, you were trying to reap benefits by planting posts down low.
 

cabot

Member
My guess? Scum went after me. Ynnek was town. I know I am town. Best thing for Scum to do in a two-town split is kill the person who didn't get lynched and leave town (relatively) unfocused.

Posting while my train is stopped.

Do you think Scum spread themselves among the leaders, or focus on you?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
No one else who has been questioned day 1 responded with 'low hanging fruit' and opportunistic, so what does this say? You're the only one who's a baiter?

Let's take a step back and say you 'purposely' planted those posts, what kind of discussion were you hoping for besides a gotcha moment?

Yeah, I thought so. More than low hanging fruit, you were trying to reap benefits by planting posts down low.

Ok, fine. I'll come clean.

- My clarification was honest. I messed up reading my role PM and glossed over the Role, only reading it that the Hero was the "Role." I fucked up.
- As for explaining my role? Sure, it's a bit of a breadcrumb. It's an odd role.

Again, you still jumping on it is textbook scum play - something easy to latch onto to remove a townie.
 

cabot

Member
Ok, fine. I'll come clean.

- My clarification was honest. I messed up reading my role PM and glossed over the Role, only reading it that the Hero was the "Role." I fucked up.
- As for explaining my role? Sure, it's a bit of a breadcrumb. It's an odd role.

Again, you still jumping on it is textbook scum play - something easy to latch onto to remove a townie.

You admit a fuck up, you realise where this is going don't you?

God damn it, Ouro
 

*Splinter

Member
If I am a cop, I checked Zeke and he is town
If I am a switcher, I switched kyan and WAMD
If I am a tracker, I tracked nin to cabot
 

Verelios

Member
Ok, fine. I'll come clean.

- My clarification was honest. I messed up reading my role PM and glossed over the Role, only reading it that the Hero was the "Role." I fucked up.
- As for explaining my role? Sure, it's a bit of a breadcrumb. It's an odd role.

Again, you still jumping on it is textbook scum play - something easy to latch onto to remove a townie.
That's very convenient. I also just coincidentally replied to your post and while going to delete it, slipped and pressed post.

What an odd world
 

Ourobolus

Banned
No latching here, we're early days son. What did you think of Ynnek?

He was null for me. I haven't played with him before, IIRC, so I didn't have any preconceived notions. I wasn't on board with his lynch - I had more pressing targets in my mind.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
If I am a cop, I checked Zeke and he is town
If I am a switcher, I switched kyan and WAMD
If I am a tracker, I tracked nin to cabot

Oh right, my results.

If I am a doctor, I protected Haly.
If I am a cop, I checked Verelios and he is scum.
If I am a tracker, I tracked Splinter to nin.
 

*Splinter

Member
VOTE: *Splinter

Why were you so damn abject on day one, lover? More than usual.
I couldn't post while at work as much as usual. We're having a bit of a crackdown on people using their phone's too much throughout the day...

And then VR. I missed the deadline by a bit (although tbh I doubt I'd've moved my vote from there anyway).
 

Sophia

Member
Sophia, you may be town but your indecisiveness is a scum flag would you agree?

Unfortunately you've done it before as town, so it is not definitive. But it clouds my read. I thought you had moved by this. Why were you so willing to show how unsure you were of your d1 lynch choice? Why didn't you own it?


What would have been your lynch choice if you decided who dies?

I agree that it is indeed a scum flag, which is why I tried to push up my activity level and get some good reads on people. I do feel I got that, but I don't feel I'm very close to figuring out who is scum.

Also make no mistakes, I won't say it was a mistake to lynch Ynnek there. I'll stick by that action to break the tie there because at the time I felt he was most scummiest of the three and I didn't want a no lynch. I also however maintain my stance that none of those three seemed like a good lynch, which is also why I did not put a vote down for any of them until it came time to break the tie.

If I had to decide who dies? I either would have picked someone who's very active in the conversation (such as Ouro/Melon/etc) or someone who I have no reads on (such as yourself)
 

Verelios

Member
Hey, I'll be transparent. If you guys wanna latch on to Verelios' bullshit, then go for it.
Haha, so let's be transparent. The reason you scum read me is a reaction, not to fluff, but because I replied to your post.

Then, hypothetically, if I replied to any other post in the thread would I still be scumread? No? Yes? Well, we gotta get more transparent then.

Your read could be construed as a breadcrumb. Yes, this is a fact. When does a person react to another for pointing out their breadcrumb? A)They're scum or B)They're neutral and afraid of being lynched C)They're a strong PR and don't want to be NK'ed. But, you're asking yourselves 'teach me Verelios-Sensei!' which one of these it is. Okay, okay, I'll be more than happy to.

C is off the table because we're introduced to Ouro's first plan of the day, THUNDADOME, which I'm not against but wouldn't give that ultimatum as town. Then we've wasted an entire day where we could have been analyzing other's reactions and poking around. But, you ask, why would Ouro do such a thing? Let's get Transparent and find out.

Well, well, well, is it possible Ouro is a neutral? Sure, it's possible. He did breadcrumb a 'strange power' to use later so it fits. But, I have to ask myself, would a neutral be so outspoken? Would they really be so brazen? I guess they would if the conditions were right. Then, would they care if town or scum were lynched? Why, no, no they probably wouldn't. Very interesting.

So we're left with the question of if Ouro is scum. Now, I know, everyone wants to hear my analysis on it and that's fine, I'd be more than pleased. But, in the spirit of transparency I have to decline and ask the person himself-

Ouro, are you scum?
 

Sophia

Member
I didn't really feel like I got scum vibes from Ouro based upon our end of day conversation. But I need to go back and re-read.
 
Do you think Scum spread themselves among the leaders, or focus on you?
I'm sure there is at least one scum between Ynnek and myself, but that doesn't help us much today; that's a lot of names. I actually meant that I think they tried to use the NK on me.
 

franconp

Member
Haha, so let's be transparent. The reason you scum read me is a reaction, not to fluff, but because I replied to your post.

Then, hypothetically, if I replied to any other post in the thread would I still be scumread? No? Yes? Well, we gotta get more transparent then.

Your read could be construed as a breadcrumb. Yes, this is a fact. When does a person react to another for pointing out their breadcrumb? A)They're scum or B)They're neutral and afraid of being lynched C)They're a strong PR and don't want to be NK'ed. But, you're asking yourselves 'teach me Verelios-Sensei!' which one of these it is. Okay, okay, I'll be more than happy to.

C is off the table because we're introduced to Ouro's first plan of the day, THUNDADOME, which I'm not against but wouldn't give that ultimatum as town. Then we've wasted an entire day where we could have been analyzing other's reactions and poking around. But, you ask, why would Ouro do such a thing? Let's get Transparent and find out.

Well, well, well, is it possible Ouro is a neutral? Sure, it's possible. He did breadcrumb a 'strange power' to use later so it fits. But, I have to ask myself, would a neutral be so outspoken? Would they really be so brazen? I guess they would if the conditions were right. Then, would they care if town or scum were lynched? Why, no, no they probably wouldn't. Very interesting.

So we're left with the question of if Ouro is scum. Now, I know, everyone wants to hear my analysis on it and that's fine, I'd be more than pleased. But, in the spirit of transparency I have to decline and ask the person himself-

Ouro, are you scum?

I began to read this and was very interested until I reached the end. When I finally reached the clímax you decided to not make a point, not give your views on why ouro is scum. It makes the post a big pile of nothing.

I expect a lot more.
 
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